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(The Hill)   Yeah, we know Trump used military drones and helicopters to overfly the protest. In 15 different cities, in a futile attempt to dominate the battle space I guess   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-06-19 9:56:58 PM  
Iran and Afghanistan were merely test beds of real-time aerial surveillance.

Now it's coming here.
 
2020-06-19 10:09:58 PM  
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2020-06-19 11:04:54 PM  
The would-be dictator and generalissimo Trump is begining to feel his muscles -- his military junta muscles.

DEFUND THE MILITARISTIC TOYS AND PUT FLAT FEET ONTO SIDEWALKS AGAIN.
 
2020-06-19 11:13:37 PM  
Yeah, time to take their toys away
 
2020-06-20 1:28:26 AM  
"The worst part for me is when we're made out to be storm troopers"

Then stop acting like storm troopers.
 
2020-06-20 2:14:11 AM  
 
2020-06-20 2:54:21 AM  
All those tax dollars for nothing.
The entire Trump administration and those that enable it can eat dicks.
 
2020-06-20 2:56:50 AM  
Still obsessed with crowd size.
 
2020-06-20 2:58:07 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Iran and Afghanistan were merely test beds of real-time aerial surveillance.

Now it's coming here.


2004 called, it's drunk and crying at 3am again, and wants it's predictions of doom back.

The USA voted for Bush when he created these powers and pushed the military overseas, and the police at home, to use them. The voters of the USA, including most of the Dems in Congress and Senate today, voted for this and are getting exactly what they wanted.

That's one of the reasons I don't see Americans voting Trump out.  This stuff is what they knew they were doing, for years, including the Dems.
 
2020-06-20 3:00:34 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Iran and Afghanistan were merely test beds of real-time aerial surveillance.

Now it's coming here.

2004 called, it's drunk and crying at 3am again, and wants it's predictions of doom back.

The USA voted for Bush when he created these powers and pushed the military overseas, and the police at home, to use them. The voters of the USA, including most of the Dems in Congress and Senate today, voted for this and are getting exactly what they wanted.

That's one of the reasons I don't see Americans voting Trump out.  This stuff is what they knew they were doing, for years, including the Dems.


They're not that smart broh. They're just idiots being mean and all you gotta do to get their vote is say "Hey, watch me set this child on fire with this squeeze bottle of Ronsol" and boom, you got a platform.
 
2020-06-20 3:01:07 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: That's one of the reasons I don't see Americans voting Trump out. This stuff is what they knew they were doing, for years, including the Dems.


Well, I guess what I mean is that I think this election comes down to voting Trump out because of COVID and job loss and the voters sick of police violence; or, keeping Trump because he is delivering on what Americans wanted during the Bush years.

I guess it comes down to the youth vote, IMHO.
 
2020-06-20 3:02:15 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Iran and Afghanistan were merely test beds of real-time aerial surveillance.

Now it's coming here.

2004 called, it's drunk and crying at 3am again, and wants it's predictions of doom back.

The USA voted for Bush when he created these powers and pushed the military overseas, and the police at home, to use them. The voters of the USA, including most of the Dems in Congress and Senate today, voted for this and are getting exactly what they wanted.

That's one of the reasons I don't see Americans voting Trump out.  This stuff is what they knew they were doing, for years, including the Dems.


Just wait until they get their first death on US soil.

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The loop hopping, contortionist shaming, reason bending, excuses will go to apeshiat conservative levels. And they will deny what they are.
 
2020-06-20 3:08:19 AM  
Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.
 
2020-06-20 3:10:09 AM  

Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.


Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.
 
2020-06-20 3:10:22 AM  
LAW AND ORDER!
 
2020-06-20 3:13:41 AM  

aleister_greynight: LAW AND ORDER!


STARGATE SG1!
 
2020-06-20 3:14:36 AM  
He wanted to know if he should flee the country.
 
2020-06-20 3:18:22 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.

Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.


Just like police cars aren't the same thing as unmarked vehicles, amirite?

You're trying a bit too hard to be pithy here. You need to explain your reasoning a bit more, methinks. Why is a manned aerial reconnaissance vehicle a critical change versus an unmanned version?
 
2020-06-20 3:27:02 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.

Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.

Just like police cars aren't the same thing as unmarked vehicles, amirite?

You're trying a bit too hard to be pithy here. You need to explain your reasoning a bit more, methinks. Why is a manned aerial reconnaissance vehicle a critical change versus an unmanned version?


Because you can farking see a helicopter for one thing. The reason marked cars are used to announce a police presence ovee a marked car.

Police Helicopters also aren't covertly using facial recognition cameras with the ability to launch missiles under who knows what orders for who knows what purpose. There is a specific reason to deploy a helicopter for police forces to pursue a suspect. There is zero reason to deploy a military drone over protests other than illegal surveillance.
 
2020-06-20 3:32:48 AM  
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2020-06-20 3:35:45 AM  
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2020-06-20 3:44:47 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.

Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.


The point is for some reason you finally car about this.  All it took was for your own rights to evaporate.
 
2020-06-20 3:46:29 AM  

Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.


I should've been a helicopter pilot, they've been making bank in OT the past month
 
2020-06-20 3:47:39 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Police Helicopters also aren't covertly using facial recognition cameras with the ability to launch missiles under who knows what orders for who knows what purpose. There is a specific reason to deploy a helicopter for police forces to pursue a suspect. There is zero reason to deploy a military drone over protests other than illegal surveillance.


I would think having a realtime video feed of a protest and/or riot would be standard operating procedure in most precincts, type of vehicle notwithstanding. It's not so much as about 'illegal surveillance' as it is about having an end to end view of the theatre of operation.

Without context, can you even tell a difference between the vehicles attached to these two cameras?

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I get that new technology is scary, but drones have been used by law enforcement going back to 2011. This isn't something that Trump just pulled out to go after BLM protesters.
 
2020-06-20 3:48:55 AM  

links136: Night Train to Wakanda: Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.

Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.

The point is for some reason you finally car about this.  All it took was for your own rights to evaporate.


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The point is bad.
 
2020-06-20 3:51:24 AM  
"The worst part for me is when we're made out to be storm troopers," David Fulcher, the deputy director for air operations at the National Air Security Operations Center in Grand Forks, told the Times


The worst part for me is when innocent people get killed by racist thugs hiding behind a police badge. But your feelings being hurt is pretty bad too, I guess.
 
2020-06-20 3:53:26 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Police Helicopters also aren't covertly using facial recognition cameras with the ability to launch missiles under who knows what orders for who knows what purpose. There is a specific reason to deploy a helicopter for police forces to pursue a suspect. There is zero reason to deploy a military drone over protests other than illegal surveillance.

I would think having a realtime video feed of a protest and/or riot would be standard operating procedure in most precincts, type of vehicle notwithstanding. It's not so much as about 'illegal surveillance' as it is about having an end to end view of the theatre of operation.

Without context, can you even tell a difference between the vehicles attached to these two cameras?

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I get that new technology is scary, but drones have been used by law enforcement going back to 2011. This isn't something that Trump just pulled out to go after BLM protesters.


I get that you don't understand the bill of rights since you are not American. It's not just that technology is "scary" it's the misappropriation of technology being used for purposes beyond their intent with no oversight or responsibility on how or why it's being applied.
 
2020-06-20 4:06:50 AM  
Why the hell is Customs and Border Protection involved? How is this even remotely within the scope of their mission?

I suspect they were brought there because they are conditioned to treat people like problems and targets rather than citizens. They are desensitized to violence and cruelty against human beings and could be trusted to treat their fellow American citizens with brutal disregard to their rights and humanity.
 
2020-06-20 4:16:10 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: I get that you don't understand the bill of rights since you are not American. It's not just that technology is "scary" it's the misappropriation of technology being used for purposes beyond their intent with no oversight or responsibility on how or why it's being applied.


I am well studied on paragraph three of the 4th Amendment "Thou shalt not fly a drone over American airspace."

Actually, if you were to do any research, you would know that the relatively new concept of substantive due process (the 'right to privacy') does not apply to video captured in public places. Effectively, if a police officer could see you doing it from the street, then you don't have any expectation of privacy, and the means by which he 'sees' you (be it a CCTV camera or a helicopter) is largely irrelevant.
 
2020-06-20 4:17:20 AM  
I will note there is an exception if the police place a camera specifically to watch a particular individual (like putting a camera outside of your house to watch you specifically.) In that case, they do need a warrant.
 
2020-06-20 4:19:54 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.

Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.


Well obviously. "Ghetto birds" only fly over ghettos. Where those "low information voters" who picked a different primary candidate are. They don't fly over trendy upscale hipster enclaves where guys in skinny jeans walk around in designer Che logo outfits.

You also clearly don't know that the nightmare you're saying is going to happen already did. The US already dropped bombs on US cities in peacetime. I guess you just don't know enough much about the history of blacks in this country.

But other than that. Unmanned "spy drones" are a lot quieter, and run by the far more professional military in this country, rather than completely out of control police departments. That's the only other major difference.
 
2020-06-20 5:19:12 AM  
they're getting shots of everyone's faces that they can so they can use their recognition software and build their database of "known dissidents".
 
2020-06-20 6:25:14 AM  

Shaggy_C: "The worst part for me is when we're made out to be storm troopers," David Fulcher, the deputy director for air operations at the National Air Security Operations Center in Grand Forks, told the Times


The worst part for me is when innocent people get killed by racist thugs hiding behind a police badge. But your feelings being hurt is pretty bad too, I guess.


Oh boy, you are really bad at framing these arguments.

What country are you from again?
 
2020-06-20 6:26:19 AM  

Mr.Insightful: Night Train to Wakanda: Corvus: Dear white people. I live in a mixed neighborhood.    We literally have police helicopters flying over our place close to once a week.

Neat that you care so much that it's now happening over your area.

Ghetto birds are not the same thing as unmanned spy drones.

Well obviously. "Ghetto birds" only fly over ghettos. Where those "low information voters" who picked a different primary candidate are. They don't fly over trendy upscale hipster enclaves where guys in skinny jeans walk around in designer Che logo outfits.

You also clearly don't know that the nightmare you're saying is going to happen already did. The US already dropped bombs on US cities in peacetime. I guess you just don't know enough much about the history of blacks in this country.

But other than that. Unmanned "spy drones" are a lot quieter, and run by the far more professional military in this country, rather than completely out of control police departments. That's the only other major difference.


Living up to that name again.
 
2020-06-20 6:52:21 AM  

LIGAFF: "The worst part for me is when we're made out to be storm troopers"

Then stop acting like storm troopers.


On the last Last Week Tonight John Oliver had a segment about the police and there was a police union rep having a press conference being upset how the police were being "Profiled" and "Treated like animals." I just shook my head and thought about the irony of him saying that and how many times we have seen members of the black community up at a podium, saying the same things and the cops not changing their ways. You don't want to be profiled, not trusted and thought of like storm troopers? Then take a good long look at yourself and your organization because acting like you are at war with the public isn't going to help things.
 
2020-06-20 7:06:31 AM  
Down them with prejudice.

If it is us for them, brother you're going down.
 
2020-06-20 7:14:35 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Oh boy, you are really bad at framing these arguments.

What country are you from again?


I'm a citizen of the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any one banner. Nationalism is so unsophisticated, don't you think?
 
2020-06-20 7:24:10 AM  

LIGAFF: "The worst part for me is when we're made out to be storm troopers"

Then stop acting like storm troopers.


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2020-06-20 7:28:12 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Oh boy, you are really bad at framing these arguments.

What country are you from again?

I'm a citizen of the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any one banner. Nationalism is so unsophisticated, don't you think?


Doug Stanhope on nationalism
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2020-06-20 7:29:54 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Oh boy, you are really bad at framing these arguments.

What country are you from again?

I'm a citizen of the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any one banner. Nationalism is so unsophisticated, don't you think?


And of course you live exclusively on a boat in international waters, right? Maybe that cool Scientology cruiser is your base.

There is no such thing as citizen of the world. In the days of triangular trade they were called pirates of high seas and banned from land everywhere. I don't think the laws have changed much in this regard.

Now, if we grow up and dispense with the whole nation-states, then you may be a citizen of the world, but so too will everyone else.
 
2020-06-20 7:39:00 AM  

mrparks: aleister_greynight: LAW AND ORDER!

STARGATE SG1!


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2020-06-20 7:46:09 AM  

outtatowner: And of course you live exclusively on a boat in international waters, right? Maybe that cool Scientology cruiser is your base.

There is no such thing as citizen of the world.


I have passports that allow me to freely travel and live in 33 different countries (and closer to 40 if you include crown dependencies and the various US overseas territories.) That may not be "the world", but it's certainly not "there is only one country I identify with which I believe is the best over all others." If one country does something stupid that I don't agree with, I'll move to another, simple as that. There's a reason I don't live in Trump's America, and there's a reason I won't live in a post-Brexit Britain.

TLDR: Where one is "from" doesn't matter as much as where one is going.
 
2020-06-20 8:09:47 AM  
Why yes, using the US military against US civilians is illegal.
 
2020-06-20 8:19:05 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Oh boy, you are really bad at framing these arguments.

What country are you from again?

I'm a citizen of the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any one banner. Nationalism is so unsophisticated, don't you think?


Just say gutless coward. Save the syllables.
 
2020-06-20 8:20:23 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Iran and Afghanistan were merely test beds of real-time aerial surveillance.

Now it's coming here.


Bingo, the Middle East is being used as a proving grounds to help imperialist powers get their troops some experience in an actual live combat situation, and to test new equipment.
 
2020-06-20 8:30:36 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Police Helicopters also aren't covertly using facial recognition cameras with the ability to launch missiles under who knows what orders for who knows what purpose. There is a specific reason to deploy a helicopter for police forces to pursue a suspect. There is zero reason to deploy a military drone over protests other than illegal surveillance.

I would think having a realtime video feed of a protest and/or riot would be standard operating procedure in most precincts, type of vehicle notwithstanding. It's not so much as about 'illegal surveillance' as it is about having an end to end view of the theatre of operation.

Without context, can you even tell a difference between the vehicles attached to these two cameras?

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I get that new technology is scary, but drones have been used by law enforcement going back to 2011. This isn't something that Trump just pulled out to go after BLM protesters.


With context:
"I no longer love blue skies. In fact, I now prefer gray skies," Zubair, a 13-year-old boy from North Waziristan, Pakistan, said in a testimony before Congress in October 2013. "The drones do not fly when the skies are gray ... When the sky brightens, drones return and we live in fear. It's something that a 2-year-old would know ... We hear the noise 24 hours a day."

Coming to an American city near you!
 
2020-06-20 8:44:05 AM  
I'd personally be happy if we rolled back all of the post 9-11 stuff with the exception of some of the security around ports and airports/ travelling.  Collectively stuff like the Patriot Act doesn't appear to have kept us much safer but it's certainly made us less free.
 
2020-06-20 8:57:24 AM  

Blathering Idjut: I'd personally be happy if we rolled back all of the post 9-11 stuff with the exception of some of the security around ports and airports/ travelling.  Collectively stuff like the Patriot Act doesn't appear to have kept us much safer but it's certainly made us less free.


The opportunity to resist fascism peacefully exists exclusively in the time prior to the implementation of fascism.

Sadly, I'm just gonna have to ask you to remember this for next time.  PATRIOT act is here to stay because people forget all too easily.
 
2020-06-20 9:11:24 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Police Helicopters also aren't covertly using facial recognition cameras with the ability to launch missiles under who knows what orders for who knows what purpose. There is a specific reason to deploy a helicopter for police forces to pursue a suspect. There is zero reason to deploy a military drone over protests other than illegal surveillance.

I would think having a realtime video feed of a protest and/or riot would be standard operating procedure in most precincts, type of vehicle notwithstanding. It's not so much as about 'illegal surveillance' as it is about having an end to end view of the theatre of operation.

Without context, can you even tell a difference between the vehicles attached to these two cameras?

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I get that new technology is scary, but drones have been used by law enforcement going back to 2011. This isn't something that Trump just pulled out to go after BLM protesters.


Who gives a fark how much easier it makes the cop's jobs or how long they've been using it. What they are doooooing with the technology is what's scary.
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2020-06-20 9:47:45 AM  

Shaggy_C: Night Train to Wakanda: Oh boy, you are really bad at framing these arguments.

What country are you from again?

I'm a citizen of the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any one banner. Nationalism is so unsophisticated, don't you think?


Excessive nationalism is one of the tenants of fascism.
 
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