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(The Hill)   Rick Romero Institute for Contact Tracing discovers that homeowners don't answer phone call from numbers they don't recognize   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-06-17 2:35:39 PM  
If they don't leave a message, it wasn't important.
 
2020-06-17 6:06:44 PM  
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This.
 
2020-06-17 6:10:27 PM  
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2020-06-17 6:14:01 PM  
Reading all of the comment on the various threads about contact tracing being so important, I thought that the tiny flaw to that plan is people not answering unknown numbers.  I don't know if a message is left or not, but even if there is a message left, I imagine a lot of people will think it's a scam and not call. That's what we've been conditioned to believe over the past decade or so of robocallers and spoofed numbers.
 
2020-06-17 6:19:00 PM  
For example, calls from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services appear as "MI COVID HELP" on caller IDs.

That should solve the problem, because scammers can't possibly spoof those.

Or mMaybe the FCC could try to do something about the robocalling and scamming. (I know -- how anticorporate of me. . . )
 
2020-06-17 6:19:39 PM  
The article makes it sound like they can't get ahold of people who test positive.  Who in the hell is getting a test and doesn't want to hear the results?
 
2020-06-17 6:24:05 PM  
The government could have responded to all the DNC registry violations, scamming and neighbor-spoofing with laws that were actually enforced.  Instead, they just ordered telecom companies to fix the problem.  Which, thus far, they haven't done.  Now, it's coming home to roost.  I'd say just world but, of course, we're the ones getting screwed.   Again.
 
2020-06-17 6:24:37 PM  
Rick Romero


The man's name is Ric, dumbassmitter. Show some sciencedamned respect.
 
2020-06-17 6:25:14 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The article makes it sound like they can't get ahold of people who test positive.  Who in the hell is getting a test and doesn't want to hear the results?


I recognize the number of my doctor. I don't recognize "MI COVID HELP", or whatever the local one would be. All of the clinics run by the University healthcare system here use the same prefix, and the rest of the number is similar, too. Since I'd probably stay in my own system for a test, it would be a number I recognize. Otherwise, they should let people know what number to expect, because I don't answer shiat I don't recognize unless I'm job hunting, and even then, I have my wife screen my calls in case it's those recruiters with the accents so thick that I can't understand them.

Either way, I don't want spam calls, and treat unrecognizable numbers as such.
 
2020-06-17 6:27:48 PM  
If it makes it past nomorobo, and I don't recognize it, I answer with "Bula vinaka, beachside," so they usually hang up anyway.
 
2020-06-17 6:29:51 PM  
Us renters, on the other hand, pick that phone right up.  If it's coming from my own number it must be important, right?  I wouldn't call myself just for small talk.
 
2020-06-17 6:33:37 PM  
I never answer the home phone.  I spent a whole $25 on an answering machine about 10 years ago.  Leave a message.
 
2020-06-17 6:37:01 PM  

honk: For example, calls from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services appear as "MI COVID HELP" on caller IDs.

That should solve the problem, because scammers can't possibly spoof those.

Or mMaybe the FCC could try to do something about the robocalling and scamming. (I know -- how anticorporate of me. . . )


But but but think of all the princes in Nigeria that will have no one to give their fortunes to? And all those indians scammers? How will they ever earn a living?
 
2020-06-17 6:37:14 PM  
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2020-06-17 6:41:56 PM  

honk: .

Or mMaybe the FCC could try to do something about the robocalling and scamming. (I know -- how anticorporate of me. . . )


Actually they can.
But, someone with money fights it.
Bill collectors and 🐖.
And other interest.
So, I guess, some of us are going to die.
Because God forbid we make it impossible to trick ppl into answering the phone. WTF
 
2020-06-17 6:43:02 PM  

Captain Walker: The government could have responded to all the DNC registry violations, scamming and neighbor-spoofing with laws that were actually enforced.  Instead, they just ordered telecom companies to fix the problem.  Which, thus far, they haven't done.  Now, it's coming home to roost.  I'd say just world but, of course, we're the ones getting screwed.   Again.


They don't fix it because people pay good money for corporate accounts.
 
2020-06-17 7:04:37 PM  
Did you leave a goddamn message?  And how did you get my number anyway?  Nobody knows me here.  I guess the grocery store and Great Clips could look up my phone number from their loyalty accounts but that's about it.
 
2020-06-17 7:14:25 PM  

croesius: If they don't leave a message, it wasn't important.


And then they get blocked.
 
2020-06-17 7:18:56 PM  
My phone. My decision to answer it or not.
If someone is unwilling to go to the trouble to leave a message that has enough info for me to determine if they are worth calling back ... I'm not going to go to the trouble of returning their call.

No great mystery here.

/hates phones
 
2020-06-17 7:20:10 PM  

honk: Or mMaybe the FCC could try to do something about the robocalling and scamming. (I know -- how anticorporate of me. . . )


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2020-06-17 7:20:39 PM  

honk: For example, calls from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services appear as "MI COVID HELP" on caller IDs.

That should solve the problem, because scammers can't possibly spoof those.

Or mMaybe the FCC could try to do something about the robocalling and scamming. (I know -- how anticorporate of me. . . )


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"MI COVID!"

If I the caller ID said something something nonsensical like that, I'd assume a spoofed number from a 3rd world country. Now MI DEPT HEALTH or whatever state, I'd be more likely to answer.
 
2020-06-17 7:32:11 PM  
If it's important then send a text message, you old dopes.
 
2020-06-17 7:36:28 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: If it makes it past nomorobo, and I don't recognize it, I answer with "Bula vinaka, beachside," so they usually hang up anyway.


I used to work for the Secret Service.  The phone would ring, we'd answer:  "Hello.  Secret Service".  There'd be a long silence, then a click.  Of course, this was not a problem if it was someone who was actually trying to call us.

The awkward one was if someone needed to call you to tell you, for instance, that your car was ready, and they'd freak out.
 
2020-06-17 7:48:35 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The article makes it sound like they can't get ahold of people who test positive.  Who in the hell is getting a test and doesn't want to hear the results?


My phone automatically sends callers directly to voicemail if they are not in my contacts or I have previously accepted a call from them.

Else, my phone would be ringing with scammers talking to me in Chinese and/or from the "IRS" in a robo voice all damn day.

This is what voicemail is for.
 
2020-06-17 7:50:43 PM  
My favorite thing about smartphones and/or Google Voice is that if your name does not show then you are not in my contacts.
 
2020-06-17 7:51:59 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The article makes it sound like they can't get ahold of people who test positive.  Who in the hell is getting a test and doesn't want to hear the results?


It's not to give results, it's to ask people who have tested positive who they have been around in the last 2 weeks.  In turn, those people are contacted and are told they have been in contact with someone who tested positive and they should get tested.
 
2020-06-17 8:03:29 PM  

croesius: If they don't leave a message, it wasn't important.


Yep.
 
2020-06-17 8:13:14 PM  
Honestly, the FCC and the telecoms could eliminate this issue entirely by turning off the ability to spoof a number in the first place.

I get that it may have been intended to be the equivalent of a "reply-to" address on an email address, but the legitimate uses for that are VASTLY outnumbered by the spammers these days.
 
2020-06-17 8:20:22 PM  

Somaticasual: Honestly, the FCC and the telecoms could eliminate this issue entirely by turning off the ability to spoof a number in the first place.

I get that it may have been intended to be the equivalent of a "reply-to" address on an email address, but the legitimate uses for that are VASTLY outnumbered by the spammers these days.


The legitimate uses are -important- legitimate uses. Doctors offices, schools, law enforcement and customer service operations all have a legitimate reason to want people on the receiving end to see the main callback number.
 
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2020-06-17 8:28:49 PM  
If only something could have been done to prevent people from assuming nearly every phone call they get is spam.
 
2020-06-17 8:33:23 PM  

Gulper Eel: Somaticasual: Honestly, the FCC and the telecoms could eliminate this issue entirely by turning off the ability to spoof a number in the first place.

I get that it may have been intended to be the equivalent of a "reply-to" address on an email address, but the legitimate uses for that are VASTLY outnumbered by the spammers these days.

The legitimate uses are -important- legitimate uses. Doctors offices, schools, law enforcement and customer service operations all have a legitimate reason to want people on the receiving end to see the main callback number.


As concession, then, Simply make it free for NPOs - or - instruct the call centers for those institutions that need them to route incoming return calls to their main number. That's not a onerous burden for legitimate use. Even small businesses can easily do routing for automated systems. And it would still eliminate the egregious uses...
 
2020-06-17 8:41:00 PM  
Hah, I do.  And when it's a telemarketer, which it always is, I go into slow mode.  Wow your product sounds great, just hold on a minute because I need to take my dinner out of the oven.  Oh, it does that?  Hold on a minute, I need to let my dog out.  So you were saying... hold on, there's someone at the door.  Ok, right, so how do I buy this?  Wait a sec, something smells like smoke.  Oh no, my neighbor's house is on fire!  Hold on though, I really want to buy this.  Let me get my credit card ready.  Wait, the police are here telling me I should leave for my own safety.  Hold on... [ 2 minutes pass ] Yeah, no I'm not interested.  Bye.
 
2020-06-17 8:49:39 PM  
20 plus years of unsolicited calls from Bob at Tech Support and Jill from Credit Services have had an effect.
 
2020-06-17 8:53:56 PM  

nursetim: Reading all of the comment on the various threads about contact tracing being so important, I thought that the tiny flaw to that plan is people not answering unknown numbers.  I don't know if a message is left or not, but even if there is a message left, I imagine a lot of people will think it's a scam and not call. That's what we've been conditioned to believe over the past decade or so of robocallers and spoofed numbers.


This. Like wjitelisting ads, it's a poisoned well.
 
2020-06-17 9:03:33 PM  
I don't give my number to people I don't want to call it.

If I get a call from a number I don't know, everyone I know knows I won't answer and so they leave a message to let me know it was them and I call them back.

If the message starts "Hi. I'm calling from" I don't listen to the rest of it.

I don't give companies or organisations my number, they get an email address so all communication is recorded.

Phone calls mean they want to say stuff to you that they can deny or plain ignore later.
 
2020-06-17 9:34:59 PM  
If the number is 'unknown' I try to help the caller maintain their anonymity by not answering the phone. My sister hates that about me.
 
2020-06-17 9:39:38 PM  
gee, if we weren't all so numbed and worn out from being advertised to 24 hours a day, maybe we'd give a fark about things.
 
2020-06-17 9:43:14 PM  

Captain Walker: The government could have responded to all the DNC registry violations, scamming and neighbor-spoofing with laws that were actually enforced.  Instead, they just ordered telecom companies to fix the problem.  Which, thus far, they haven't done.  Now, it's coming home to roost.  I'd say just world but, of course, we're the ones getting screwed.   Again.


The problem with the HURR DURR TELECOM BAD scenario is that tons of scam calls originate overseas. Our businesses could be moving heaven and earth, and it's all for shiat if there's nothing done on the originating side.

I don't pretend to know all the geekery surrounding what it takes to verify that a call is coming from where it says it's coming from, but...

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In other words, we can control all this if the caller is within the US, but if the caller is somewhere else, we have to rely on that other country to tackle steps 1-3, without which steps 4 through 8 aren't much help.

If it all comes together, entities with a legitimate reason for disguising their phone number - like contract tracers - can continue to do their thing, while the scammers will be SOL.

But again, it's up to the Indias of the world to get their shiat together.
 
2020-06-17 9:49:29 PM  
One thing that's nice about having a cell phone with an area code different from where I live is that, 99.9999% of the time when I get a call from that area code I immediately know it's bullsh*t. Anyone there I know and talk to is in my contacts lists, and if the number also contains the first three digits of my own phone number? Ha ha, f*ck you! To the Shadow Realm with you, asshole.

Numbers from the actual area code here? Those end up being legit and get answered. I still hatetalking on the phone, though, but that does greatly reduce the garbage. Calls from 800 numbers usually get ignored, too, though I've started to remember the ones for Kaiser and Red Cross, those I GAF about.
 
2020-06-17 9:51:33 PM  

Gulper Eel: In other words, we can control all this if the caller is within the US, but if the caller is somewhere else, we have to rely on that other country to tackle steps 1-3, without which steps 4 through 8 aren't much help.

If it all comes together, entities with a legitimate reason for disguising their phone number - like contract tracers - can continue to do their thing, while the scammers will be SOL.

But again, it's up to the Indias of the world to get their shiat together.


Contact tracers are not a legitimate job.....   i'm about to do away with my land line and I have my cell phone set up to only answer numbers in my contact list.

If I don't know you.. I probably don't want to know you so leave me the fark alone.
 
2020-06-17 10:09:45 PM  

L33t Squirrel: Numbers from the actual area code here? Those end up being legit and get answered.


Scammers know this trick - they'll spoof a call so it's from within your area code, or even within your exchange if you still have a landline, in hopes you'll be more likely to pick up.

This scam works better in tightly-packed area codes. Chances of it working someplace like 701 (all of North Dakota) are not as good.
 
2020-06-17 10:16:36 PM  

Gulper Eel: Scammers know this trick - they'll spoof a call so it's from within your area code, or even within your exchange if you still have a landline, in hopes you'll be more likely to pick up.

This scam works better in tightly-packed area codes. Chances of it working someplace like 701 (all of North Dakota) are not as good.


My phone is from a code in a different state, so yeah, anything from there is DEFINITELY garbage. Anything from this actual code is valid. I've not got trash yet from local numbers, and the few times I have got calls they were ones I wanted or expected. (Job searching SUCKS.)
 
2020-06-17 10:25:10 PM  
Gulper Eel:

The legitimate uses are -important- legitimate uses. Doctors offices, schools, law enforcement and customer service operations all have a legitimate reason to want people on the receiving end to see the main callback number.

That's easily handled.  Allow you to spoof caller ID to another number under your control.  (generally on the same billing account, but you could have workaround methods).

Stop allowing spoofing to a number that you can't prove is yours.

And if it comes from overseas, flag it as such.  If you don't have a name to go with the number, just put the country of origin in the caller ID.  "Warlordville, Somalia" is calling.
 
2020-06-17 10:26:04 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: If it makes it past nomorobo, and I don't recognize it, I answer with "Bula vinaka, beachside," so they usually hang up anyway.


Don't you mean, 'NockaMockaBeeSai?'

I learned something new today...
 
2020-06-17 11:21:29 PM  
Of course, if you really don't want calls except from people you know, get signal and register it to an android phone+sim which is not the handset you carry around.

Then only accept signal calls
 
2020-06-17 11:28:05 PM  
That's become an issue with our entire organization telecommuting. Yes, my phone number is blocked because I am calling you from my personal phone. No, you cannot have my personal phone number. I will, however, send you an email with an office number that currently forwards to my phone. Don't be shocked if you can't get through when you try though since I am likely to be on the phone with another person.
 
2020-06-17 11:32:03 PM  
I quit answering strange phone numbers after several of them broke into a sales pitch. In chinese. Its right up there with the people trying to sell me an extended warranty on my pickup that had 326,000 miles on it. Wtf?
 
2020-06-17 11:48:12 PM  

Greil: nursetim: Reading all of the comment on the various threads about contact tracing being so important, I thought that the tiny flaw to that plan is people not answering unknown numbers.  I don't know if a message is left or not, but even if there is a message left, I imagine a lot of people will think it's a scam and not call. That's what we've been conditioned to believe over the past decade or so of robocallers and spoofed numbers.

This. Like wjitelisting ads, it's a poisoned well.


Wait, haven't you heard of this great company called Confiant? They vet ads so you can safely turn off your ad blocker! Just ask the Fark mods!
 
2020-06-18 9:01:48 AM  
"I'm calling about the accident you had last year that wasn't your fault. Is that correct?"

Well, it is correct that is what you are doing, but no I am not saying the word 'yes'.

When I get those calls I just say over and over 'You are a computer' until they hang up. Not once has a person taken over the call.
 
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