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(Mediaite)   It takes two to tango and Senator Kennedy wants those filthy Yankees to lose their monuments too   (mediaite.com) divider line
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2020-06-17 10:33:45 AM  
Sorry Confederates,
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2020-06-17 10:37:57 AM  
Few losers of war have been treated as fairly as the Confederacy. STFU already.
 
2020-06-17 11:08:23 AM  
"There were and are racist Yankees so don't remove traitor names from our bases, it's not faaaaaaaair!"

Stamps fat feet, storms off to do another 10 TV interviews.
 
2020-06-17 11:21:49 AM  
If they want monuments, perhaps they should try NOT LOSING
 
2020-06-17 11:22:06 AM  
We aren't doing it because they were racist. We want to do it because they were f*cking traitors, as is anyone who flies that traitor rag.
 
2020-06-17 11:22:49 AM  
Gawd, the whine in that accent is particularly annoying.   The confederate generals betrayed their country for slavery.  Is it really that hard to understand?

Also, are there people actually protesting (like the Charlottesville Nazis) removing Frank Rizzo's statue?
 
2020-06-17 11:28:45 AM  

edmo: Few losers of war have been treated as fairly as the Confederacy. STFU already.


Exactly, I'm a NY'er that ended up in FL and all I can say to the south is :"YOU LOST, let alone well over 150 yrs ago".   It's time to move and and health the country.  The South should have done that when the South lost all those years ago.
 
2020-06-17 11:37:37 AM  

SoupGuru: If they want monuments, perhaps they should try NOT LOSING


Southerners can't even grow food without having to have African-Americans do it for them.  You really expect them to be able to fight effectively?
 
2020-06-17 11:41:38 AM  
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there is no tantrum like a white man losing power tantrum
 
2020-06-17 11:47:28 AM  
When you degenerate assholes stop trying to prop up white supremacist traitors, THEN we'll talk about removing the ones that committed genocide against the natives.  But you won't be invited to the conversation.
 
2020-06-17 11:48:16 AM  
History is written by the winners.

In other words, suck it and suck it hard.
 
2020-06-17 11:48:31 AM  
Trophies are for winners. Only whiny snowflakes cry about not getting a participation award.
 
2020-06-17 11:48:48 AM  
I think he's right, let's remove all statues built for northern generals/Solders who committed treason against the US.
 
2020-06-17 11:49:20 AM  
And why, Senator, might the South have a high concentration of traitors?
 
2020-06-17 11:50:06 AM  
We won, you farkhead!!

Take your loser flags and statues and find a new place to live. Oh, that's right you already tried that and got the snot slapped out of ya.
 
2020-06-17 11:50:22 AM  
Getting a lot of mileage out of these lately.

You suck, and your country sucked harder. Die mad.

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2020-06-17 11:50:33 AM  
The South is a bunch of losers.  Why should we honor losers?
 
2020-06-17 11:50:50 AM  
FTFA: For his part, Kennedy has tried to solve the lingering Confederate Army legacy upon the U.S. military that fought it in the Civil War by proposing his own amendment that would rename all military bases and installations after Medal of Honor recipients.

I dunno, this feels like a reasonable compromise.

Just for a bit of context, the former colonies of the British Empire, who also embraced slavery, try to brush past it by empowering (slightly) the poor as well as former slaves. Everyone had a reasonable start, and that's why Britain, and Canada, and Australia, and India, and so on, "aren't burdened" with the legacy of slavery.

Oh, we all farkin' did it. But we got a reset button.

Kennedy here offers a reasonable compromise.
 
2020-06-17 11:52:52 AM  
Andrew Schulz had a good take...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LMRC​X​1iXng
 
2020-06-17 11:52:59 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Gawd, the whine in that accent is particularly annoying.   The confederate generals betrayed their country for slavery.  Is it really that hard to understand?

Also, are there people actually protesting (like the Charlottesville Nazis) removing Frank Rizzo's statue?


"But you're hurting our feelings! IT'S NOT FAIR!!"
 
2020-06-17 11:54:26 AM  
Southerners are the biggest snowflakes EVAR
 
2020-06-17 11:54:27 AM  
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FAKE KENNEDY! SAD!

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2020-06-17 11:55:20 AM  
The north didn't have a economic system that relied on rape.
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2020-06-17 11:56:10 AM  
OK: Here's a list of officers that all took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States--an oath with no expiration date, btw--so they must be Northern officers....right?  Let's start with them.
 
2020-06-17 11:56:33 AM  
You rebel losers probably would have been able to keep your statues if you weren't such assholes about it.

But you had to be assholes, and used the statues to remind everyone that you really want to own black people.
 
2020-06-17 11:57:10 AM  
People often wonder why on earth the U.S. Army even put the names of these Confederates on the bases in the first place, and that's a fair question.  It was done many years ago because the Army and the federal government felt it was a gesture of reconciliation to the South, a way of trying to heal a deeply fractured nation.  So, putting General Bragg's name on a base in North Carolina gave it a tie to the region, rather than seeming like an occupational force had a Union general's name on it.  But I think the same rationale can be applied to why the names of the Confederates should now be removed and replaced with perhaps less divisive names.  I see Sen. Kennedy's point, and perhaps there are plenty of non-Confederate military figures who had deep flaws whose names adorn other bases, ships, etc., but that is perhaps a debate for another day.  Obviously, we have to be concerned with the folly of examining every single historic figure through the lens of our contemporary moral standards, but I think reasonable minds can agree that the time has come for the names of Confederate generals to be removed.
 
2020-06-17 11:57:15 AM  
This is that Senator Cornpone from the viral hotbed of alligator infested swamp lands around the Mississippi delta?  quelle surpise.   Another one-note conservative humorist.
 
2020-06-17 11:57:29 AM  
Conservatives see nothing wrong with treason.  Big surprise
 
2020-06-17 11:58:04 AM  
For people who think black Americans should just get over it, they are displaying something that is just as systemic: the loss of white privilege.
 
2020-06-17 11:58:20 AM  
So... both sides are bad?
 
2020-06-17 11:58:41 AM  
Are we back to the "War of Northern Aggression" narrative?

I was gobsmacked the first time I saw a statue with that term as part of the inscription.
 
2020-06-17 12:00:19 PM  
Your racist AF "paradise" lasted less than 5 years. You had your asses handed to you.

So, no. How about no. Does No work for you, you hate-riddled shiat-golum of failure?
 
2020-06-17 12:00:39 PM  
Your side lost, did nothing to help with reconciliation and now you still want to be all biatchy? How about FU? Does that work for you? It works just fine for me.
 
2020-06-17 12:00:55 PM  
Um, "Senator" Kennedy, the CSA started and lost a war with the USA. That means fark you CSA, you lost, and the USA said you had to follow the law of the land in the USA. We in the USA do not put up statues of Hitler or Hirohito for losing a war against the USA do we? No, we farking don't.
 
2020-06-17 12:01:03 PM  
I lived in Lafayette Louisiana a few years...Christ....some of the most frightening racist ignorant bags of flesh you could imagine.
 
2020-06-17 12:01:14 PM  
Your side turned traitor and attacked their own government for the lofty cause of preserving slavery AND YOU LOST you stupid pieces of shiat.

You are traitors.
You supported slavery.
You got your ASSES KICKED.
That's some heritage you got there.

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2020-06-17 12:01:37 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: We aren't doing it because they were racist. We want to do it because they were f*cking traitors, as is anyone who flies that traitor rag.


Not to mention, monuments to the union celebrate winning the war, they don't serve to keep duskier folk "in their place" quite like a massive statue of Jefferson Davis does.
 
2020-06-17 12:02:27 PM  
Losers always whine about their participation trophies. Winners go home and fark the prom queen.
 
2020-06-17 12:02:30 PM  

Nabb1: People often wonder why on earth the U.S. Army even put the names of these Confederates on the bases in the first place, and that's a fair question.  It was done many years ago because the Army and the federal government felt it was a gesture of reconciliation to the South, a way of trying to heal a deeply fractured nation.  So, putting General Bragg's name on a base in North Carolina gave it a tie to the region, rather than seeming like an occupational force had a Union general's name on it.  But I think the same rationale can be applied to why the names of the Confederates should now be removed and replaced with perhaps less divisive names.  I see Sen. Kennedy's point, and perhaps there are plenty of non-Confederate military figures who had deep flaws whose names adorn other bases, ships, etc., but that is perhaps a debate for another day.  Obviously, we have to be concerned with the folly of examining every single historic figure through the lens of our contemporary moral standards, but I think reasonable minds can agree that the time has come for the names of Confederate generals to be removed.


I know I wanted to see Fort Adolf as a way to heal the US German rift after WWII. I hope we get a Fort Stalin to heal the Russian US rift after the Cold War.

This is stupid. We could have done it the right way and educated whites and helped blacks with their pursuit of freedom and equality. But noooo, we bombed and lynched and shot them instead.
 
2020-06-17 12:03:51 PM  
where are the monuments to General Ho?  He fought valiantly for what he believed in.

What about Hirohito?  He was a brave emperor whose army were defending their land and way of life.

What about Hitler?  His goal was honest and forthright - living space for his people and eliminating hamstrings on his economy.

We should construct monuments to these brave heroes stat.  They were willing to die and fight for what they felt was right, even if it involved eliminating entire segments of society.  That's patriotism my friends.
 
2020-06-17 12:03:55 PM  

starsrift: FTFA: For his part, Kennedy has tried to solve the lingering Confederate Army legacy upon the U.S. military that fought it in the Civil War by proposing his own amendment that would rename all military bases and installations after Medal of Honor recipients.

I dunno, this feels like a reasonable compromise.

Just for a bit of context, the former colonies of the British Empire, who also embraced slavery, try to brush past it by empowering (slightly) the poor as well as former slaves. Everyone had a reasonable start, and that's why Britain, and Canada, and Australia, and India, and so on, "aren't burdened" with the legacy of slavery.

Oh, we all farkin' did it. But we got a reset button.

Kennedy here offers a reasonable compromise.


Why do I have a feeling that if this bill got any traction that Kennedy would vote against it?
 
2020-06-17 12:04:32 PM  

Gough: Are we back to the "War of Northern Aggression" narrative?

I was gobsmacked the first time I saw a statue with that term as part of the inscription.


To be fair, the North did attack the South with the first incursion by General McClellen into western (now West) Virginia. After the forcible ejection of the occupiers at Fort Sumpter, there had only been limited Southern artillery and Union navy bombarding oneanother at various strategic chokeholds near the coasts. Sending in ground forces upped the ante big time.
 
2020-06-17 12:04:34 PM  

Nabb1: People often wonder why on earth the U.S. Army even put the names of these Confederates on the bases in the first place, and that's a fair question.  It was done many years ago because the Army and the federal government felt it was a gesture of reconciliation to the South, a way of trying to heal a deeply fractured nation.  So, putting General Bragg's name on a base in North Carolina gave it a tie to the region, rather than seeming like an occupational force had a Union general's name on it.  But I think the same rationale can be applied to why the names of the Confederates should now be removed and replaced with perhaps less divisive names.  I see Sen. Kennedy's point, and perhaps there are plenty of non-Confederate military figures who had deep flaws whose names adorn other bases, ships, etc., but that is perhaps a debate for another day.  Obviously, we have to be concerned with the folly of examining every single historic figure through the lens of our contemporary moral standards, but I think reasonable minds can agree that the time has come for the names of Confederate generals to be removed.


Damn, you just pulled a "it's too soon to debate this". I'm proud of you.

/not sarcasm
 
2020-06-17 12:04:51 PM  

Gough: Are we back to the "War of Northern Aggression" narrative?

I was gobsmacked the first time I saw a statue with that term as part of the inscription.


Lincoln shot first!

Cotton7 Eric • 2 hours ago
slavery was an institution whose time was ending no matter who won the faux civil war. less than 3% of confederates had slaves & weren't fighting for rich guys to keep theirs. Lee freed his slaves before the war - so he wasn't fighting to keep slavery. Lincoln asked him to head up his Union army. Lee didn't want to secede but didn't want to fight against Virginia. Each confederate state voted to join the union of their own free will & each state voted to leave. that is why Lincoln fired the 1st shot at Ft Sumpter. the biggest source of revenue for USA treasury was taxes from KING COTTON. he didn't issue emancipation proclamation until after the war started & only freed some slaves. a TRUE civil war is when one side tries to take over the other's government which is what Obama, comey & mcCage & cobal tried to do. The CSA wanted independence as the patriots & rebels of 1776 wanted. T. jefferson had all men free in 1st draft of declaration but struck it out to get the thing ratified. US flag flew over slavery just like confedederate- 700K men died- was that a fair price? I don't know. 200K union soldiers died of disease. if california seceded would we send in troops to burn down cities, rape women & kill men? slavery was awful but the war was a huge mistake. CSA should've left peacefully, Lincoln shouldn't have been shot, & slavery needed to end w slaves receiving land & compensation
 
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2020-06-17 12:05:40 PM  

starsrift: FTFA: For his part, Kennedy has tried to solve the lingering Confederate Army legacy upon the U.S. military that fought it in the Civil War by proposing his own amendment that would rename all military bases and installations after Medal of Honor recipients.

I dunno, this feels like a reasonable compromise.

Just for a bit of context, the former colonies of the British Empire, who also embraced slavery, try to brush past it by empowering (slightly) the poor as well as former slaves. Everyone had a reasonable start, and that's why Britain, and Canada, and Australia, and India, and so on, "aren't burdened" with the legacy of slavery.

Oh, we all farkin' did it. But we got a reset button.

Kennedy here offers a reasonable compromise.


Well, other than certain president's awarding the medal to service members that are probably war criminals.

How about not naming them after people at all?
 
2020-06-17 12:06:06 PM  

wejash: "There were and are racist Yankees so don't remove traitor names from our bases, it's not faaaaaaaair!"

Stamps fat feet, storms off to do another 10 TV interviews.


D's should actually take him up on his offer: ask him to give a list of racist "Yankees" that need their names stripped off federal governmental institutions, and we'll look into them and gladly take them off where appropriate.

You know, I'm actually surprised that some Wohl type shiatstirrer hasn't yet gone to West Virginia, found a statue of Byrd, and "challenged" Democrats to tear it down, otherwise, they are supporting Byrd's legacy.
 
2020-06-17 12:07:22 PM  

Fhydra: Nabb1: People often wonder why on earth the U.S. Army even put the names of these Confederates on the bases in the first place, and that's a fair question.  It was done many years ago because the Army and the federal government felt it was a gesture of reconciliation to the South, a way of trying to heal a deeply fractured nation.  So, putting General Bragg's name on a base in North Carolina gave it a tie to the region, rather than seeming like an occupational force had a Union general's name on it.  But I think the same rationale can be applied to why the names of the Confederates should now be removed and replaced with perhaps less divisive names.  I see Sen. Kennedy's point, and perhaps there are plenty of non-Confederate military figures who had deep flaws whose names adorn other bases, ships, etc., but that is perhaps a debate for another day.  Obviously, we have to be concerned with the folly of examining every single historic figure through the lens of our contemporary moral standards, but I think reasonable minds can agree that the time has come for the names of Confederate generals to be removed.

Damn, you just pulled a "it's too soon to debate this". I'm proud of you.

/not sarcasm


You need to read that again, slowly, maybe ask for help with the bigger words. I literally spent the whole paragraph saying remove the Confederate generals, but if you want to change other names, that can be addressed later.
 
2020-06-17 12:08:20 PM  

rpm: starsrift: FTFA: For his part, Kennedy has tried to solve the lingering Confederate Army legacy upon the U.S. military that fought it in the Civil War by proposing his own amendment that would rename all military bases and installations after Medal of Honor recipients.

I dunno, this feels like a reasonable compromise.

Just for a bit of context, the former colonies of the British Empire, who also embraced slavery, try to brush past it by empowering (slightly) the poor as well as former slaves. Everyone had a reasonable start, and that's why Britain, and Canada, and Australia, and India, and so on, "aren't burdened" with the legacy of slavery.

Oh, we all farkin' did it. But we got a reset button.

Kennedy here offers a reasonable compromise.

Well, other than certain president's awarding the medal to service members that are probably war criminals.

How about not naming them after people at all?


Hey, you've got my vote, but, well, good luck with that.
 
2020-06-17 12:09:18 PM  
his phrasing reminds me of the Daughters of the Confederacy. They would stamp history books they didn't like with UNFAIR TO THE SOUTH and try to get them banned from libraries. It worked, and a lot of lost cause mythology was spread because they prevented actual history from reaching people.
 
2020-06-17 12:09:48 PM  
I'm from the north and smashing up Confederate shiat is part of my cultural heritage!

Don't interfere with my heritage!
 
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