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2020-06-11 7:09:08 AM  
We're not on Facebook. Branch out and you might run into one of us.
 
2020-06-11 7:22:23 AM  
If we're not on Facebook how can you mishear our silence?
 
2020-06-11 7:24:56 AM  
I don't think I'd want to work for Facebook but I think my opinion is colored by the unhelpfulness of the React documentation more than anything else.
 
2020-06-11 7:30:23 AM  
So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!
 
2020-06-11 7:35:15 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!


Yes, there are folk that think people like Mao and Franco and Pinochet did nothing wrong.

And there are those of us who work against them.
 
2020-06-11 7:38:24 AM  

casual disregard: The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, there are folk that think people like Mao and Franco and Pinochet did nothing wrong.

And there are those of us who work against them.


By moving to China and working for the Communist Party implementing reeducation camps but not really enjoying it and sort of biatching about it to your friends?
 
2020-06-11 7:40:17 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: casual disregard: The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, there are folk that think people like Mao and Franco and Pinochet did nothing wrong.

And there are those of us who work against them.

By moving to China and working for the Communist Party implementing reeducation camps but not really enjoying it and sort of biatching about it to your friends?


......no.
 
2020-06-11 7:50:52 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!


I was once at an internal Facebook event for the top advertisers in a certain country. I spoke to many people on the marketing and event teams, and they genuinely believed that they were helping Mark Zuckerberg to "connect the world." Seriously, they're eyes were wide and their smiles were big as they said that.

Thought that might have been a signal for "help me to get the fark out of here."
 
2020-06-11 7:51:34 AM  

bostonguy: they're


Their. Fark.
 
2020-06-11 7:56:23 AM  
Never Facebookers block Facebook at the firewall.

After that, why say anything?
 
2020-06-11 8:13:25 AM  
I was a Never Facebooker, deleted both accounts, a few years ago.  Had to go back because I own a business now and it's a way for people to find me.
 
2020-06-11 8:28:41 AM  
So the factory workers that made the hammer that The Hammer used to kill all those people in Spokane over the last decade should work to ensure that their product can't be used maliciously in the future? Interesting.
 
2020-06-11 8:37:14 AM  
Next Play is a very nice way of asking who are you going to stab in the back.
 
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2020-06-11 8:43:06 AM  
So many words for such a simple problem. Like many things in culture it reminds me of a scene from the SF novel Ringworld. Our hero gives a speech on being offended. The alien target explains the proper form of a challenge in his culture: you scream and you leap.

I swore off working for tech giants years ago, before moderation policies were the reason you joined or left. I suppose I get less money. (I have LLVM source code in the window next to this browser. I hear Google pays big money for people who have heard the letters L-L-V-M in sequence.)  I am happier.
 
2020-06-11 8:45:52 AM  
 I originally got on Facebook at the request of a supervisor in 2008. I disabled my account in 2011 and only actually deleted it this year because the earlier deletion attempts failed. It was very difficult to delete accounts in the early days.

As to actually working for Facebook, I'm not sure. I used to work in server farms so I really didn't know what was on the servers and can't actually say I cared. Sure, I'd be upset to hear I'd indirectly supported a 'bad guy' but unless the servers is labeled 'bad guy' I'll likely never know it. My paychecks came from major innerweb backend companies that own the fiber and facilities, not the customers.

These days I work for a non profit that lives up to the title. It's a bunch of incompetent do gooders whose hearts are in the right place but... Anyway, I'm just slowly backing away from the innerwebs and working on retiring from this field and maybe move onto something else or just become a nut job prepper sort that lives in a compound in the deep woods, only seeing people when I choose to. Or I could be a Walmart greeter. It's a toss up.
 
2020-06-11 9:04:05 AM  
My facebook is only active for account logins I made for other things, and my dart league uses facebook for now. Next season I'll make a fake account for reporting scores. As happy as I am not using it anymore, I would certainly work for them. Money talks
 
2020-06-11 9:19:38 AM  
This is a political article.  Why is it not in the politics tab?
 
2020-06-11 9:27:07 AM  

bostonguy: The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!

I was once at an internal Facebook event for the top advertisers in a certain country. I spoke to many people on the marketing and event teams, and they genuinely believed that they were helping Mark Zuckerberg to "connect the world." Seriously, they're eyes were wide and their smiles were big as they said that.

Thought that might have been a signal for "help me to get the fark out of here."


Well, providing a conduit so conservative Americans can consume propaganda from Russian trolls is technically "connecting the world". And it definitely has changed things.
 
2020-06-11 9:47:39 AM  

Mad_Radhu: bostonguy: The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!

I was once at an internal Facebook event for the top advertisers in a certain country. I spoke to many people on the marketing and event teams, and they genuinely believed that they were helping Mark Zuckerberg to "connect the world." Seriously, they're eyes were wide and their smiles were big as they said that.

Thought that might have been a signal for "help me to get the fark out of here."

Well, providing a conduit so conservative Americans can consume propaganda from Russian trolls is technically "connecting the world". And it definitely has changed things.


Right. They never ask, "Is connecting the world a good thing?"
 
2020-06-11 10:06:56 AM  

bostonguy: Mad_Radhu: bostonguy: The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!

I was once at an internal Facebook event for the top advertisers in a certain country. I spoke to many people on the marketing and event teams, and they genuinely believed that they were helping Mark Zuckerberg to "connect the world." Seriously, they're eyes were wide and their smiles were big as they said that.

Thought that might have been a signal for "help me to get the fark out of here."

Well, providing a conduit so conservative Americans can consume propaganda from Russian trolls is technically "connecting the world". And it definitely has changed things.

Right. They never ask, "Is connecting the world a good thing?"


We've gone through this before, back in the 19th Century with the telegraph.

People thought it would usher in a new world of understanding and peace.   It didn't.
 
2020-06-11 10:10:08 AM  

dittybopper: People thought it would usher in a new world era of understanding and peace.


FTFM.
 
2020-06-11 10:35:31 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!


Some people understand that you can't change an organisation if you only staff it with people who like its current direction.
 
2020-06-11 10:52:59 AM  
People who earnestly want to change the world for the better do not go into technology. Crocodile tears can be good marketing, though.
 
2020-06-11 11:31:25 AM  

feanorn: So the factory workers that made the hammer that The Hammer used to kill all those people in Spokane over the last decade should work to ensure that their product can't be used maliciously in the future? Interesting.


Jeremy spoken, not Spokane.
 
2020-06-11 11:34:40 AM  

dittybopper: bostonguy: Mad_Radhu: bostonguy: The Googles Do Nothing: So there are actually people who go to work for companies like Facebook to "Change the World"?    HAHAHAHAHA!

I was once at an internal Facebook event for the top advertisers in a certain country. I spoke to many people on the marketing and event teams, and they genuinely believed that they were helping Mark Zuckerberg to "connect the world." Seriously, they're eyes were wide and their smiles were big as they said that.

Thought that might have been a signal for "help me to get the fark out of here."

Well, providing a conduit so conservative Americans can consume propaganda from Russian trolls is technically "connecting the world". And it definitely has changed things.

Right. They never ask, "Is connecting the world a good thing?"

We've gone through this before, back in the 19th Century with the telegraph.

People thought it would usher in a new world of understanding and peace.   It didn't.


We also went through this with the invention of the printing press.
 
2020-06-11 12:39:48 PM  

Skyrmion: We also went through this with the invention of the printing press.


Not so much, because information could still only be transmitted as fast as it could be carried, and there weren't paeons published about how the printing press was going to usher in a new era of peace and understanding.

That happened with the telegraph and the Internet.

Which isn't to say that the printing press wasn't transformative:  It was.  It just wasn't hailed by well-intentioned morons as something that's going to save humanity.
 
2020-06-11 1:07:11 PM  

Skyrmion: We also went through this with the invention of the printing press.


The other issue is that social media has algorithms that are intentionally designed to spread whatever provokes the greatest anger, outrage, or other strong emotions based on whatever gets the most likes, comments, and shares. This is intentional because it generates the most ad impressions and company revenue.

In marketing, we call it "engagement." And it's terrible.
 
2020-06-11 1:15:25 PM  

bostonguy: Skyrmion: We also went through this with the invention of the printing press.

The other issue is that social media has algorithms that are intentionally designed to spread whatever provokes the greatest anger, outrage, or other strong emotions based on whatever gets the most likes, comments, and shares. This is intentional because it generates the most ad impressions and company revenue.

In marketing, we call it "engagement." And it's terrible.


It's why I don't use social media. It's also so blatantly obvious when Fark does it.
 
2020-06-11 1:18:43 PM  
dittybopper:
Which isn't to say that the printing press wasn't transformative:  It was.  It just wasn't hailed by well-intentioned morons as something that's going to save humanity.

Right, I'm just that in terms of being destabilizing, its consequences of fueling the Reformation and subsequent Wars of religion, dwarf anything from those later technologies.
 
2020-06-11 2:41:12 PM  

Skyrmion: dittybopper:
Which isn't to say that the printing press wasn't transformative:  It was.  It just wasn't hailed by well-intentioned morons as something that's going to save humanity.

Right, I'm just that in terms of being destabilizing, its consequences of fueling the Reformation and subsequent Wars of religion, dwarf anything from those later technologies.


I would disagree.

Prior to the invention of the electric telegraph, information could only be transmitted as fast as a horse and rider or ship could carry it*.  Once the World was wired in the 19th Century, it changed, and in many very fundamental ways.  And we're *STILL* going through those changes to this very day.

We're *STILL* adapting to that change.

Take a look at current events.  Because of instantaneous and widespread social media, what would have been a local story at best just 40 years ago now becomes world-wide news.  And because of agitation on social media, instead of rioting once the justice system fails a population. like happened after the acquittals in the Rodney King police brutality trials, we get rioting before the justice system even has a chance to work, because of agitators.

And I saw this with my own two eyes recently.  While watching a live Facebook stream of the local protests**, I saw some people falsely claim vandalism and arson at several local businesses in the comments, and also claim that there were fist-fights going on between protesters and counter-protesters.

None of that was true.  The actual protesters and counter-protesters were peaceful.  It was the people online who were egging on conflict.

We've also seen the rise of "cancel culture", where a past mistake, even a relatively minor one, can end a career.  Just ask former Senator Al Franken.

In short, you can't judge how much electronic communication has changed society in comparison to the printed word, because we're still going through that transformation.

The electric telegraph was introduced in 1844, and didn't start to span oceans until 1866, and it's now 2020, a


*With the very limited exception of the optical telegraph.

**I didn't comment, I was merely watching, mainly to make sure it didn't get violent and spread from the area about a mile from my home.
 
2020-06-11 2:42:27 PM  
dittybopper: The electric telegraph was introduced in 1844, and didn't start to span oceans until 1866, and it's now 2020, a

Strike that last part, I was going somewhere with that, but changed my mind.   I think the fact that we're still going through the transformation is the important point.
 
2020-06-11 5:15:55 PM  

dittybopper: we get rioting before the justice system even has a chance to work, because of agitators.


~250 years wasn't a long enough wait to see if the justice system would work?

How many more centuries should we wait, in your opinion?
 
2020-06-11 5:48:05 PM  

bostonguy: bostonguy: they're

Their. Fark.


Our Fark
 
2020-06-11 5:50:44 PM  
dittybopper: People thought it would usher in a new era of understanding and peace.


Babel Fish - The Oddest Thing In The Universe - The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy - BBC
Youtube iuumnjJWFO4

"Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
 
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