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(Some Guy)   MacLean contends that his philosophy is so stark that even young libertarian acolytes are only introduced to it after they have accepted the relatively sunny perspective of Ayn Rand   (ineteconomics.org) divider line
    More: Interesting, Public choice theory, James M. Buchanan, George Mason University, Duke historian Nancy MacLean, James McGill Buchanan, Gordon Tullock, John C. Calhoun, Public ownership  
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2020-06-10 7:38:50 AM  
This is a school of economics that should be sacked, burned to the ground and the earth where it stood salted so nothing grows there again.
 
2020-06-10 8:07:50 AM  

TommyDeuce: This is a school of economics that should be sacked, burned to the ground and the earth where it stood salted so nothing grows there again.


Yep.  Fark this selfish a$$hole and all the other selfish a$$holes like him
 
2020-06-10 8:11:16 AM  
Republicans are sith
 
2020-06-10 8:13:34 AM  
"Buchanan, in contrast, insisted that people were primarily driven by venal self-interest. Crediting people with altruism or a desire to serve others was "romantic" fantasy: politicians and government workers were out for themselves, and so, for that matter, were teachers, doctors, and civil rights activists. They wanted to control others and wrest away their resources: "Each person seeks mastery over a world of slaves," he wrote in his 1975 book, The Limits of Liberty."

Sounds like a massive case of projection.
 
2020-06-10 10:16:27 AM  
Isn't that something that has really underpinned the entirety of American history? That the obscenely rich just can't catch a break?
 
2020-06-10 10:34:37 AM  

incendi: Republicans are sith


The philosophies of Darth Sidious and the Sith are an intermediate stage between Ayn Rand's light and sunny views and the stark philosophy of Buchanan.
 
2020-06-10 11:37:05 AM  
It's happening right now.

The GOP is all-in on ALEC and this vision of America.

Don't let them win. Vote D all up and down ticket in every single race and we might stave this off.
 
2020-06-10 12:09:02 PM  
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That philosophy exists only to justify rich people being as evil as they want to be.
 
2020-06-10 12:35:16 PM  
And libertarians say they're for freedom. That's funny.
 
2020-06-10 12:36:10 PM  
....and just bought a copy of Democracy in Chains.

Thanks, subby.
 
2020-06-10 12:40:00 PM  
This same way of thinking is why we are letting so many people die with the pandemic. We refuse to give up a tiny bit of "liberty" even if it means deaths.

Same is true with racism. To people that's giving up "liberty".


Fark these people. I am not saying "socialism for everything". But to allow everything to be farked up is just wrong.
 
2020-06-10 12:41:29 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: And libertarians say they're for freedom. That's funny.


But if you dig deeper they want freedom for themselves but mostly want other people to be almost slaves to the powerful.
 
2020-06-10 12:44:46 PM  

incendi: Republicans are sith


No, in reality they are evil incarnate.  What else would actively go out of it's way to destroy so many lives in the pursuit of more wealth?
 
2020-06-10 12:44:55 PM  

Corvus: I'm an Egyptian!: And libertarians say they're for freedom. That's funny.

But if you dig deeper they want freedom for themselves but mostly want other people to be almost slaves to the powerful.


Best summation of libertarianism I've heard
 
2020-06-10 12:45:23 PM  

Corvus: This same way of thinking is why we are letting so many people die with the pandemic. We refuse to give up a tiny bit of "liberty" even if it means deaths.

Same is true with racism. To people that's giving up "liberty".


Fark these people. I am not saying "socialism for everything". But to allow everything to be farked up is just wrong.


Capitalism is the virus. In the long term, it results in the collection of the most money and power by the fewest.
 
2020-06-10 12:45:29 PM  
All wealth is managed by conservatives. If they need to hire goons, they hire goons. If they want their asses licked, they buy ass lickers. If they have a bad image THEY BUY AND CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF MEDIA ON EARTH.

Raise your kids to realize this.
 
2020-06-10 12:47:14 PM  

Corvus: I'm an Egyptian!: And libertarians say they're for freedom. That's funny.

But if you dig deeper they want freedom for themselves but mostly want other people to be almost slaves to the powerful.


This is the thought process of the poor White Trash in the South before the Civil War. The plantation-owning aristocracy spent a lot of time and trouble programming that into them.
 
2020-06-10 12:53:01 PM  

Epicedion: Corvus: This same way of thinking is why we are letting so many people die with the pandemic. We refuse to give up a tiny bit of "liberty" even if it means deaths.

Same is true with racism. To people that's giving up "liberty".


Fark these people. I am not saying "socialism for everything". But to allow everything to be farked up is just wrong.

Capitalism is the virus. In the long term, it results in the collection of the most money and power by the fewest.


Unrestrained and bigoted capitalism is the virus.  Not sure what the cure is short of destroying it utterly, or rewriting the rules completely to benefit all citizens instead of a select few. I would argue the second would be preferable, but the first may be the only cure.
 
2020-06-10 12:56:25 PM  
OMG protect the property owners!

I find the concept of owning property to be completely ridiculous.

To quote the great contemporary thinker, Crocodile Dundee, "SEE THOSE ROCKS? BEEN STANDING THERE FOR 600 MILLION YEARS. STILL BE THERE WHEN YOU AND I ARE GONE. SO ARGUING OVER WHO OWNS THEM IS LIKE TWO FLEAS ARGUING OVER WHO OWNS THE DOG THEY LIVE ON."

This guy was a quack whack job.
 
2020-06-10 12:57:29 PM  
School-choice is the WORST thing that has ever been conceived. It promotes segregation. The local charter schools are MORE segregated than the public schools.
 
2020-06-10 1:03:41 PM  
This guy must have been a small kid growing up in an orphanage, where every day other kids tried to take his stuff. I had a friend who grew up that way. His wife and kids have left him, each of them voluntarily, and he lives alone. He has money and nothing else.

"Buchanan, in contrast, insisted that people were primarily driven by venal self-interest. Crediting people with altruism or a desire to serve others was "romantic" fantasy: politicians and government workers were out for themselves, and so, for that matter, were teachers, doctors, and civil rights activists. They wanted to control others and wrest away their resources: "Each person seeks mastery over a world of slaves," "
 
2020-06-10 1:04:06 PM  
This man was an absolute evil sociopath. The worst that America brings. A toxic person.
 
2020-06-10 1:04:17 PM  

HedlessChickn: ....and just bought a copy of Democracy in Chains.

Thanks, subby.


Yeah. I used to read books like that to educate myself in depth, but it's so depressing that I end up sleeping 20 hours a day and crying the rest of the time.  Now I just read the excerpts and comments, as even that is depressing enough.
 
2020-06-10 1:04:48 PM  

MLWS: OMG protect the property owners!

I find the concept of owning property to be completely ridiculous.

To quote the great contemporary thinker, Crocodile Dundee, "SEE THOSE ROCKS? BEEN STANDING THERE FOR 600 MILLION YEARS. STILL BE THERE WHEN YOU AND I ARE GONE. SO ARGUING OVER WHO OWNS THEM IS LIKE TWO FLEAS ARGUING OVER WHO OWNS THE DOG THEY LIVE ON."

This guy was a quack whack job.


I can certainly see a need for certain property, and "This is mine." is a very basic human emotion. But this only really applies to a house with some land and material objects.
We have so many other notions of property whereby the owner profits without actually having to do anything, freeing him up for some other endeavor by which to acquire more property. Landlords buying up city blocks or peppering the suburbs with claims, pricing out the people who would actually live there. Do-nothing shareholders that demand entire sectors be eliminated because they want more money this quarter, right before they dump their stock, while the employees that make it all happen find out their pension was underfunded.
 
2020-06-10 1:05:15 PM  

MLWS: OMG protect the property owners!

I find the concept of owning property to be completely ridiculous.

To quote the great contemporary thinker, Crocodile Dundee, "SEE THOSE ROCKS? BEEN STANDING THERE FOR 600 MILLION YEARS. STILL BE THERE WHEN YOU AND I ARE GONE. SO ARGUING OVER WHO OWNS THEM IS LIKE TWO FLEAS ARGUING OVER WHO OWNS THE DOG THEY LIVE ON."

This guy was a quack whack job.


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2020-06-10 1:10:58 PM  
Libertarian philosophy for when you want to morally justify being a completely immoral person. The entire philosophy is basically just an extended way of saying "Fark you, I've got mine".
 
2020-06-10 1:15:39 PM  
The Koch brothers and their support for this dirtbag are more fodder for an aggressive wealth and inheritance tax.
 
2020-06-10 1:15:53 PM  
It is remarkable and perhaps a bit depressing that people continue to promote such kleptocratic systems of governance despite their proven instability.  But there is a logic to it: society does not have to last forever, only long enough that they personally are not Ceausescu'd.
 
2020-06-10 1:18:03 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: And libertarians say they're for freedom. That's funny.


Libertarians are for their own freedom. They dont care if it impacts your own freedom, they just want theirs, fark the rest of us.
 
2020-06-10 1:38:38 PM  

Huggermugger: HedlessChickn: ....and just bought a copy of Democracy in Chains.

Thanks, subby.

Yeah. I used to read books like that to educate myself in depth, but it's so depressing that I end up sleeping 20 hours a day and crying the rest of the time.  Now I just read the excerpts and comments, as even that is depressing enough.


I found the talk on youtube. I'm going to listen to it tonight.
 
2020-06-10 1:45:06 PM  

Epicedion: Corvus: This same way of thinking is why we are letting so many people die with the pandemic. We refuse to give up a tiny bit of "liberty" even if it means deaths.

Same is true with racism. To people that's giving up "liberty".


Fark these people. I am not saying "socialism for everything". But to allow everything to be farked up is just wrong.

Capitalism is the virus. In the long term, it results in the collection of the most money and power by the fewest.


No it's not.

You know capitalism and socialism are just made up labels right?
Stop making beliefs based on dogma.  You are as bad as them.

Many countries that have capitalism are no where like the untried states.


You bought into their stupid belief that capitalism = libertarianism and laissez faire

Stop buying into their stupid talking points.
 
2020-06-10 1:49:29 PM  
The article gives this specific asshole way too much credit for the abomination we call our economy, but the general thrust is quite accurate.
 
2020-06-10 1:52:05 PM  

Epicedion: Corvus: This same way of thinking is why we are letting so many people die with the pandemic. We refuse to give up a tiny bit of "liberty" even if it means deaths.

Same is true with racism. To people that's giving up "liberty".


Fark these people. I am not saying "socialism for everything". But to allow everything to be farked up is just wrong.

Capitalism is the virus. In the long term, it results in the collection of the most money and power by the fewest.


Feudalism, mercantilism and, yes, socialism would like a word.
 
2020-06-10 2:04:01 PM  
since we are nothing but a bundle of property rights the ultimate expression of freedom is to be free to sell all your rights, or from the other side of the transaction, you aren't free until you can own slaves.
 
2020-06-10 2:17:04 PM  
Why should the increasingly powerful federal government be able to force the wealthy to pay for goods and programs that served ordinary citizens and the poor?

Consider it a protection racket.... from this.

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2020-06-10 2:40:40 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: And libertarians say they're for freedom. That's funny.


What they want is a government that will give them the freedom to do whatever they want while simultaneously preventing everyone else from stopping them.
 
2020-06-10 3:07:45 PM  

Corvus: No it's not.


Yes it is.
 
2020-06-10 6:04:38 PM  
Dude goes well out of his way in some odd quest to appear like a baby rapist.

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2020-06-10 7:28:47 PM  
Neutral Evil as an economic philosophy.
 
2020-06-10 8:08:04 PM  

CNichols: Neutral Evil as an economic philosophy.


Oh that's good.

I'm tempted to do a D&D alignment of all of them. Give me a few.
 
2020-06-10 10:02:39 PM  
Before the Civil Rights act passed, Republicans were a lot more candid about acknowledging that racial equality combined with social democracy was enough to destroy the rightwing economic model.

Also, Montesquieu noted in surveying the whole of human history: the rich destroy democracy by 1000 little ruses.
 
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