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(The Hollywood Reporter)   "Gone With The Wind" gone from HBO Max   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2020-06-10 12:04:31 AM  
Can't wait to see what happens with Giant
 
2020-06-10 12:06:39 AM  
It's funny how the Left now embraces censorship.
 
2020-06-10 12:11:38 AM  
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2020-06-10 12:22:30 AM  

Chuck87: It's funny how the Left now embraces censorship.


Not all of us.  But the people embracing it are louder; I'm not going to wage a campaign to keep GWTW on HBO
 
2020-06-10 12:26:00 AM  
While I see their point, the movie was sort of intended as a romanticization of the south.  Pretty much every movie will have historical errors.  The movie should be taken for what it is:  a sugar-coated fantasy set against a historical background.

I doubt any child has watched it and said: "That looks like fun!  When I grow up, I want to be a slave."
 
2020-06-10 12:29:05 AM  
I don't know nuffin, Mizz Scarlett
 
2020-06-10 12:34:30 AM  

Chuck87: It's funny how the Left now embraces censorship.


Frankly, my dear, who gives a shiat
 
2020-06-10 12:38:11 AM  
Oh, FFS...
Celebrating slavery and white supremacy is fundamentally wrong, there's no way to polish(verb) that turd.
But to remove films with slavery in them, is rather short sighted. It's a historic film, if folks don't want to watch it, they won't stream it.
Considering it also has implied marital rape, frankly, I'm actually surprised it was still kicking.
 
2020-06-10 12:47:30 AM  
The Bible's still squeeky clean though right?
 
2020-06-10 12:55:20 AM  
"HBO Max said Gone With the Wind will eventually return to the service with a "discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions."

OMG HUR DUR CANCEL CULTURE liberalS
 
2020-06-10 12:55:24 AM  
Keep the film and add a disclaimer. But if if services removed every movie that was racist then pretty much all of classic Hollywood is out. I mean, even their production code was explicitly racist.

I think the problem with GWTW is that it has so long been celebrated by as a high point in Hollywood, while (the much more racist) Birth of a Nation has never received such treatment and it is rightfully available but not promoted as entertainment.
 
2020-06-10 12:56:42 AM  

derpes_simplex: "HBO Max said Gone With the Wind will eventually return to the service with a "discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions."

OMG HUR DUR CANCEL CULTURE liberalS


And that's why I should have read the article first;)
 
2020-06-10 12:59:36 AM  
It was a work of historical fiction to begin with..It's not like they are attempting to tell a REAL story.
And it was made in 1939..It's that context that this movie needs to be viewed through..

There are a lot of movies, cartoons, books that are and have been popular that have racist or
sexist or homophobic or any number of things that could be pointed out as "wrong"...But they
have to be viewed in the context of the time and place they came from..That's all...
And that includes Song of the South! As much as Disney has tried to bury it..But those stories
are old (compiled into books just post Civil War) and made into the movie in 1946!
 
2020-06-10 2:32:35 AM  
The Oscar for McDaniel made her the first Black person to win the award but due to racial segregation at the ceremony she sat separately from her Gone With the Wind co-stars and was made to sit at a table at the back of the room.

farking Christ.
 
2020-06-10 2:35:01 AM  
Next up: removing New Jack City because it romanticizes gangsters.

/who am I kidding
/woke fascists don't work that way
 
2020-06-10 2:35:46 AM  
I have never seen the entire movie only because is is boring as fark.

I have been watching a lot of old cartoons from the 30s and 40s and whoowee! The 30s are super racist mostly for blacks and the 40s goes a bit nuts with the Japanese.

I watched an African docu made in the 30s and yeah, it was as bad or worse than you can imagine.

I like the warning idea. Tell us we may be offended but that is on you, not us.

Here is a great look at the filming of GWTW. The train station was left behind and the mansion was moved to GA. It is worth the time to check out the entire site.

Mayberry is there. Hogans Heroes camp. Small Tarzan jungle. The set of one of the biblical films became the gate for King Kong.

Oh, the Mayberry set was dressed and used for Star Trek and other series and movies.
 
2020-06-10 2:55:45 AM  

Naido: Can't wait to see what happens with Giant


??? nothing ???
 
2020-06-10 3:31:26 AM  
Frankly my dear, I don't give an epworth.
 
2020-06-10 3:36:41 AM  

Redh8t: Oh, FFS...
Celebrating slavery and white supremacy is fundamentally wrong, there's no way to polish(verb) that turd.
But to remove films with slavery in them, is rather short sighted. It's a historic film, if folks don't want to watch it, they won't stream it.
Considering it also has implied marital rape, frankly, I'm actually surprised it was still kicking.


It's not just "remove films with slavery in them", it's "remove things that glorify slavery".
 
2020-06-10 3:49:54 AM  

Redh8t: Oh, FFS...
Celebrating slavery and white supremacy is fundamentally wrong, there's no way to polish(verb) that turd.
But to remove films with slavery in them, is rather short sighted. It's a historic film, if folks don't want to watch it, they won't stream it.
Considering it also has implied marital rape, frankly, I'm actually surprised it was still kicking.


I agree. The best approach to the issue that I have seen is the disclaimer that Warner Brothers use. It provides necessary context while preserving the work intact. These are part of our cultural heritage and should be preserved, including those aspects of it that are disturbing and wrong.

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2020-06-10 3:55:00 AM  
I have HBO Max and I watched it a couple of weeks ago because 1) I've never seen it and 2) I didn't have anything else to do.

My Impression:  Scarlet O'Hare - pretty much the first Karen
 
2020-06-10 4:27:18 AM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: While I see their point, the movie was sort of intended as a romanticization of the south.  Pretty much every movie will have historical errors.  The movie should be taken for what it is:  a sugar-coated fantasy set against a historical background.

I doubt any child has watched it and said: "That looks like fun!  When I grow up, I want to be a slave."


Not only was it just not a very good movie but it definitely tried to romanticize the South and perpetuate the lost cause theory that is one of the excuses that seditionist sympathizers use to justify their War.
 
2020-06-10 4:33:35 AM  
Tbh, bae, Idgaf.
 
2020-06-10 4:57:25 AM  
Well, at least I can comfortably enjoy some Charlie Chan movies on Amazon Prime with no judgey peepers...

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2020-06-10 6:08:13 AM  
Went with the Wind
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2020-06-10 6:08:22 AM  
I always thought the white characters in GWTW were horrible people, selfish and mean, so I figured that was the point of the movie.
 
2020-06-10 6:14:14 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The Oscar for McDaniel made her the first Black person to win the award but due to racial segregation at the ceremony she sat separately from her Gone With the Wind co-stars and was made to sit at a table at the back of the room.

farking Christ.


That's how progress works.  Many people back then would have been shocked that a black person received an Oscar in the first place.  Attitudes don't change literally overnight, but what is amazing is that someone could have seen that film as a child and lived to see Barack Obama elected president.
 
2020-06-10 6:21:01 AM  

dittybopper: ecmoRandomNumbers: The Oscar for McDaniel made her the first Black person to win the award but due to racial segregation at the ceremony she sat separately from her Gone With the Wind co-stars and was made to sit at a table at the back of the room.

farking Christ.

That's how progress works.  Many people back then would have been shocked that a black person received an Oscar in the first place.  Attitudes don't change literally overnight, but what is amazing is that someone could have seen that film as a child and lived to see Barack Obama elected president.


Even more amazing that one of the main stars (Olivia De Havilland) is still alive and has lived through Obama's presidency.
 
2020-06-10 6:27:10 AM  
awwww, noooo, now i can't revisit my favorite scene when ms.scarlet wakes up with the post-coital
giggles due to the expert pipe laying of mr.rhett. that and the head trauma for her skull repeatedly hitting the bedpost.
/walt disney is gonna be pissed.
 
2020-06-10 6:27:47 AM  
Oh well, I'll chalk this up as the latest reason I haven't ever managed to see Gone with the Wind.

/and frankly my dear I don't give a damn.
 
2020-06-10 7:03:38 AM  
That will show them white rascals how serious we are. Nobody will ever be able to see it again.
 
2020-06-10 7:11:53 AM  
_If only_ we could permanently get rid of that boring-ass Wuthering Heights for racists. Sadly, we are not that lucky.
 
2020-06-10 7:17:07 AM  
Funny the people who get real upset about not being able to see a movie on a service people aren't subscribing to.
 
2020-06-10 7:19:48 AM  

SamFlagg: Oh well, I'll chalk this up as the latest reason I haven't ever managed to see Gone with the Wind.

/and frankly my dear I don't give a damn.


I've never seen it either.
 
2020-06-10 7:20:41 AM  
Private companies should be forced to show the movies right-wing bloggers want them to show, on cause of free speach.
 
2020-06-10 7:24:51 AM  
When did Fark become a bunch of Libertarian shiat heads with no empathy for black people?
 
2020-06-10 7:26:40 AM  
When did fark become a bunch of Libertarian babies crying about how black people no longer want to be depicted as slaves? Where is your empathy?
 
2020-06-10 7:27:07 AM  
Why is fark babies?
 
2020-06-10 7:47:28 AM  
Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near?

/If we're asking irrelevant questions.
 
2020-06-10 8:03:44 AM  
Didn't Clarissa just explain all this to you people?
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2020-06-10 8:05:57 AM  

Brandi Morgan: My Impression:  Scarlet O'Hare - pretty much the first Karen


Karen? KAREN? Do you people even listen to yourselves? In a thread about prejudice what to we find? Someone stereotyping a whole segment of society and maligning them. Farking Facepalm.

I don't even get this whole karen meme. Is karen the new word for soccer moms? If it is, you woke people are stereotyping an entire segment of society? Sound familiar?

What about women who are actually named karen? I know a couple and can't say I've ever heard a bad word from either one of them.

Drew, mods it's about time you put a stop to all bigotry. That includes stereotyping soccer moms, people who had the misfortune  to be born right after WWII, etc, etc....
 
2020-06-10 8:13:52 AM  

CarnySaur: I always thought the white characters in GWTW were horrible people, selfish and mean, so I figured that was the point of the movie.


Yeah, I guess "The South" was romanticized in the movie, but "Southerners" came across as universally being completely terrible people.
 
2020-06-10 8:15:05 AM  
Yet I can still rent Soul Man on Amazon.  Now there'sa problematic film.
 
2020-06-10 8:16:22 AM  
Having spent most of my life in the south (excluding the years working overseas) it has always baffled me how many people think people here idolize that movie. Other than my aunt and Ted Turner I really never knew of anyone who did more than watch it one time.

Most people in the south just see it as an old movie and nothing more. People who refer to the book as "the second bible of the south" are old farts who think they have a first edition that is worth a fortune. The movie and book are antiques that are viewed as something an earlier generation liked but now we have the internet and other distractions we enjoy more.
 
2020-06-10 8:28:26 AM  

Gumball T Watterson: Having spent most of my life in the south (excluding the years working overseas) it has always baffled me how many people think people here idolize that movie. Other than my aunt and Ted Turner I really never knew of anyone who did more than watch it one time.

Most people in the south just see it as an old movie and nothing more. People who refer to the book as "the second bible of the south" are old farts who think they have a first edition that is worth a fortune. The movie and book are antiques that are viewed as something an earlier generation liked but now we have the internet and other distractions we enjoy more.


But that view does nothing to support my outrage boner. I want to be angry NOW!
 
2020-06-10 8:36:33 AM  

Brandi Morgan: I have HBO Max and I watched it a couple of weeks ago because 1) I've never seen it and 2) I didn't have anything else to do.

My Impression:  Scarlet O'Hare - pretty much the first Karen


I cheer every time when Rhett tells her to go fark herself.

/not the words he uses, but it was the 1939 equivalent
//David O Selznick agreed to pay a $5000 fine in order to keep the word "damn"
 
2020-06-10 8:36:48 AM  
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
2020-06-10 8:47:18 AM  

Not_Todd: Next up: removing New Jack City because it romanticizes gangsters.

/who am I kidding
/woke fascists don't work that way


The Godfather would be more appropriate. No one in their right mind would call NJC a classic.
 
stk
2020-06-10 8:48:48 AM  

saturn badger: I have never seen the entire movie only because is is boring as fark.

I have been watching a lot of old cartoons from the 30s and 40s and whoowee! The 30s are super racist mostly for blacks and the 40s goes a bit nuts with the Japanese.

I watched an African docu made in the 30s and yeah, it was as bad or worse than you can imagine.

I like the warning idea. Tell us we may be offended but that is on you, not us.

Here is a great look at the filming of GWTW. The train station was left behind and the mansion was moved to GA. It is worth the time to check out the entire site.

Mayberry is there. Hogans Heroes camp. Small Tarzan jungle. The set of one of the biblical films became the gate for King Kong.

Oh, the Mayberry set was dressed and used for Star Trek and other series and movies.


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2020-06-10 8:58:56 AM  
Chronocentrism is a helluva drug.

But I'm sure this will fix things.
 
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