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(Some Book Critic)   Cute and extremely marketable: History of the world in 100 objects. Attractive and extremely disturbing: History of the Third Reich in 100 objects   (thecritic.co.uk) divider line
    More: Vintage, Nazi Germany, Nazism, Adolf Hitler, Roger Moorhouse's Hitler, Arbeit macht frei, much Nazi memorabilia, Postage stamp, stamp collection  
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2020-06-10 3:17:58 AM  
I sometimes wonder if Hitler bears some of the blame for our contemporary suspicion of beauty. There is certainly a case to be made that the most significant difference between Nazism and Communism was not ideology - in practice murderously similar - or even who was to go to the wall this week, but that the former was splendid to look at while the latter was (and is) not.

People who are into fascist art massively overstate the appeal of fascist art. Nazi propaganda is striking, but so is Soviet propaganda, and so is midcentury American propaganda. That's the point of propaganda: to be visually striking. Bold lines, bold colours, simple ideas, clear intent.

But when people start claiming the Nazis were especially, magically, inhumanly good at propaganda, well, that's when I get off the train. While Hollywood has given quite an unintentional gloss to the Nazi aesthetic by casting them as high-budget villains for three quarters of a century, the mere fact of Nazi brutality exposes just how effective Nazi propaganda really was. The reason so many Germans supported them wasn't that Hugo Boss designed their uniforms or that Albert Speer and Leni Riefenstahl were amazing hypnotic geniuses. The reason so many Germans supported them was that they would murder you if you didn't. A discussion of Nazi art centring on its intrinsic power, rather than on the extrinsic power of men in jackboots with guns standing beside that art, misses the point entirely.
 
2020-06-10 8:27:49 AM  
The fascinating objects of fascism


You forgot one:
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2020-06-10 8:33:56 AM  
When a relative passed, I inherited a large trove of authentic Nazi items and objects due to my love of, and respect for, history. They had acquired them during World War 2 when they were in the infantry fighting in the European theatre.

I will never destroy them or get rid of them because they are both a part and cause of history. Secondarily, I have no wish for them to become part of a collection of someone who both fetishizes and idolizes the Nazis.
 
2020-06-10 8:48:42 AM  

Caelistis: When a relative passed, I inherited a large trove of authentic Nazi items and objects due to my love of, and respect for, history. They had acquired them during World War 2 when they were in the infantry fighting in the European theatre.

I will never destroy them or get rid of them because they are both a part and cause of history. Secondarily, I have no wish for them to become part of a collection of someone who both fetishizes and idolizes the Nazis.


I'm in a similar boat. I have a Nazi flag that was taken from (I think) a ship after the war as a trophy. In reality, I'd love to make some money off of it and sell it to a collector but, on the other hand, you never know into whose hands it might actually land.
 
2020-06-10 8:50:57 AM  
I hope they left out the gold fillings.
 
2020-06-10 8:57:26 AM  

Caelistis: When a relative passed, I inherited a large trove of authentic Nazi items and objects due to my love of, and respect for, history. They had acquired them during World War 2 when they were in the infantry fighting in the European theatre.

I will never destroy them or get rid of them because they are both a part and cause of history. Secondarily, I have no wish for them to become part of a collection of someone who both fetishizes and idolizes the Nazis.


My wife's grandfather brought home a Nazi swastika pocketknife. Now we own it.  It is not on display. Part of me says burn it but it is a part of history.
I just don't want to be confused with someone who might have a fetish with that sort of thing
 
2020-06-10 8:58:06 AM  

Caelistis: When a relative passed, I inherited a large trove of authentic Nazi items and objects due to my love of, and respect for, history. They had acquired them during World War 2 when they were in the infantry fighting in the European theatre.

I will never destroy them or get rid of them because they are both a part and cause of history. Secondarily, I have no wish for them to become part of a collection of someone who both fetishizes and idolizes the Nazis.


Would you feel the same way about artifacts from the Soviet Union, or Maoist China?  Why or why not?
 
2020-06-10 9:02:08 AM  
I was hoping for more of a connections type "look how because of thing 1, we get thing 2, because of 2, 3"

If you like fascism, don't forget you're on the bottom. Don't be on the bottom. Be on the top.
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2020-06-10 9:05:04 AM  
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2020-06-10 9:05:42 AM  
Either stark red and black color scheme, or ornate gothic metal lettering, or ridiculously baroque/kitschy throwbacks to a romanticized ideal of Medieval & Renaissance Germany.

Do you really need 100 objects for that?
 
2020-06-10 9:08:41 AM  
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2020-06-10 9:16:41 AM  

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SIEG HILLARY!
 
2020-06-10 9:30:38 AM  

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2020-06-10 9:46:04 AM  

ryant123: dittybopper: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 640x360]

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I was going to be impressed that Bill wasn't checking out the woman standing behind Gaga.

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Then I found it was Chelsea.
 
2020-06-10 10:00:32 AM  
For those wondering about the artifacts that they may have come by, in Canada you can donate them to a museum and get a tax receipt of the value is over $100. If the museum accepts it.
 
2020-06-10 10:29:02 AM  

pkjun: The reason so many Germans supported them was that they would murder you if you didn't.


Yeah, no. These aren't people in fear of a beating. These are not the phony weepers in a North Korean state funeral.

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They had no source of information outside the party line. The Nazis controlled all media, all the schools, all the professions, all civic associations. They literally did not know dissent existed.

Yes, there was the police state. But for the vast incurious masses, it was, "what does an innocent person have to fear?"

Viktor Klemperer was a Jew who survived the war in Dresden and documented the period in his diary. Regular neighbors would ask in all seriousness, "Why are the Jews so mean to us? Why don't they leave us alone?"

The diary is published in three parts - rise of Nazism, the war, and then the East German years.

This is a real-life account of how a population can be manipulated.
I Will Bear Witness 1933-41 A Diary of the Nazi Years
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2020-06-10 10:44:35 AM  

Bluenosed Baker: For those wondering about the artifacts that they may have come by, in Canada you can donate them to a museum and get a tax receipt of the value is over $100. If the museum accepts it.


Same general concept in the US, but if the value is over $500, you have to have documentation of their value like a pro appraisal. . .of course if you're donating it to a museum, they probably have someone on hand who can write such documentation for you.
 
2020-06-10 10:50:13 AM  

FarkaDark: My wife's grandfather brought home a Nazi swastika pocketknife. Now we own it. It is not on display. Part of me says burn it but it is a part of history.
I just don't want to be confused with someone who might have a fetish with that sort of thing


Do you have any mementos of grandpa's service? You could make a little framed memorial showing he went over and brought back a trophy from the vanquished Nazis.
 
2020-06-10 12:09:57 PM  

OldJames: I was hoping for more of a connections type "look how because of thing 1, we get thing 2, because of 2, 3"

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That's an interesting graphic. Too bad it is so small. Do you have a larger and legible copy of it?
 
2020-06-10 11:05:42 PM  
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