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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1964, a CIA report challenged 'Domino Theory' policies. Subsequent 'Tiddlywinks Hypothesis' and 'Yahtzee Postulate' were quietly abandoned   (history.com) divider line
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2020-06-09 10:21:55 AM  
There's nothing you can do when you're the next in line.
 
2020-06-09 10:47:53 AM  
58,000 Americans and 3,000,000 Vietnamese died for absolutely nothing.
 
2020-06-09 12:23:40 PM  
And nobody did anything because, you know, deep state or something.
 
2020-06-09 12:54:55 PM  
And yet Risk analysis still goes unchallenged.
 
2020-06-09 12:56:14 PM  
I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?
 
2020-06-09 12:56:16 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: And yet Risk analysis still goes unchallenged.


They have a Monopoly in the facts.
 
2020-06-09 1:00:12 PM  

WastrelWay: I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?


Uh, wasn't Pol Pot also communist?
 
2020-06-09 1:02:11 PM  
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2020-06-09 1:07:44 PM  

Fireproof: WastrelWay: I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?

Uh, wasn't Pol Pot also communist?


Pol Pot kinda was his own deal.  His ideology was extremely eclectic, involving communism, primitivism, ethnonationalism, etc.

And he wound up being overthrown by Vietnam, don't forget.
 
2020-06-09 1:11:31 PM  
DOMINO THEORY WINNER: NONE
TIDDLYWINKS HYPOTHESIS WINNER: NONE
YAHTZEE HYPOTHESIS WINNER: NONE
CONKERS AXIOM WINNER: NONE
MARBLES LEMMA WINNER: NONE

/a strange game indeed
 
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2020-06-09 1:12:53 PM  
I forget who it was who observed, the domino theory worked pretty well starting in 1989.
 
2020-06-09 1:13:57 PM  

Fireproof: [Fark user image 425x470]


Why'd they have to be black?

Too soon. Racist.
 
2020-06-09 1:20:03 PM  

Fireproof: WastrelWay: I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?

Uh, wasn't Pol Pot also communist?


No failed system is "communist" to communists.
 
2020-06-09 1:21:44 PM  
And then they encountered the Balderdash Conundrum.

And they were afraid...
 
2020-06-09 1:22:08 PM  

bthom37: Pol Pot kinda was his own deal.  His ideology was extremely eclectic, involving communism, primitivism, ethnonationalism, etc.

And he wound up being overthrown by Vietnam, don't forget.


Russia and China and China and Vietnam also fought border wars.

There were two communistic styles, Russian and Chinese, and they didn't get along. Not only did they fight, their subordinates fought, too. Vietnam was in the Russian style, and Cambodia in the Chinese.

\racism is a bigger feature of the Chinese style.
 
2020-06-09 1:22:54 PM  

fsbilly: Fireproof: [Fark user image 425x470]

Why'd they have to be black?

Too soon. Racist.


It's okay, they have those French Foreign Legion hats on. They're probably actually African.
 
2020-06-09 1:25:48 PM  

gyruss: fsbilly: Fireproof: [Fark user image 425x470]

Why'd they have to be black?

Too soon. Racist.

It's okay, they have those French Foreign Legion hats on. They're probably actually African.


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You can be an African in a beret without being black.
 
2020-06-09 1:32:34 PM  
it's still real to me dot jaypeg
 
2020-06-09 1:36:33 PM  

bthom37: Fireproof: WastrelWay: I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?

Uh, wasn't Pol Pot also communist?

Pol Pot kinda was his own deal.  His ideology was extremely eclectic, involving communism, primitivism, ethnonationalism, etc.

And he wound up being overthrown by Vietnam, don't forget.


In public, the right will tell you that anybody two degree left of center is the next Pol Pot.

In private, most of Pol Pot's remaining defenders in the west are white supremacists, who find in Pol Pot's anti-intellectualism and ethnic cleansing policies against market-dominant minorities (in his case Chinese Cambodians) a model for their own cause.
 
2020-06-09 1:46:05 PM  

MikeyFuccon: DOMINO THEORY WINNER: NONE
TIDDLYWINKS HYPOTHESIS WINNER: NONE
YAHTZEE HYPOTHESIS WINNER: NONE
CONKERS AXIOM WINNER: NONE
MARBLES LEMMA WINNER: NONE

/a strange game indeed


JENGA CONJECTURE WINNER?
 
2020-06-09 1:52:48 PM  

This text is now purple: Russia and China and China and Vietnam also fought border wars.


IIRC, Communist China was invading Communist Vietnam to stop it from invading Communist Cambodia.
 
2020-06-09 2:01:36 PM  

bthom37: Fireproof: WastrelWay: I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?

Uh, wasn't Pol Pot also communist?

Pol Pot kinda was his own deal.  His ideology was extremely eclectic, involving communism, primitivism, ethnonationalism, etc.

And he wound up being overthrown by Vietnam, don't forget.


Pol Pot liked Chinese communism.  Vietnam liked Soviet Union communism. Chinese communism and Soviet Union communism don't get along.  Result: 3rd Indochina war.
 
2020-06-09 3:16:58 PM  
But that SOB MacNamara admitted, in the nineties before he died, that he'd been too chicken to tell LBJ we couldn't win, before LBJ committed the troops.
 
2020-06-09 4:07:37 PM  

whitroth: But that SOB MacNamara admitted, in the nineties before he died, that he'd been too chicken to tell LBJ we couldn't win, before LBJ committed the troops.


After the Cuban Missile Crisis MacNamara held an unfounded belief in his own abilities. He never seemed to understand that neither himself nor Kennedy outwitted the Russians. They simply traded missile for missile in Turkey. He went into Vietnam thinking that these pajama wearing jungle guys would be childs play compared to the Soviets.
 
2020-06-09 4:24:55 PM  

WastrelWay: I'm not going to say the Vietnam War was right or wrong. But Cambodia didn't "fall" to Communism even though we lost that war and got out of there. Now, are you going to thank Pol Pot for that?


It would have been better if it did.
 
2020-06-09 6:23:49 PM  
Domino theory, "there's a reason why I'm here, and I'll know when I know. Everything usually works out for me."

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2020-06-09 6:29:51 PM  
And they went ahead and invaded Vietnam farking anyway.

Brilliant.
 
2020-06-09 7:59:13 PM  

dothemath: whitroth: But that SOB MacNamara admitted, in the nineties before he died, that he'd been too chicken to tell LBJ we couldn't win, before LBJ committed the troops.

After the Cuban Missile Crisis MacNamara held an unfounded belief in his own abilities. He never seemed to understand that neither himself nor Kennedy outwitted the Russians. They simply traded missile for missile in Turkey. He went into Vietnam thinking that these pajama wearing jungle guys would be childs play compared to the Soviets.


Khrushchev lost Cuba.

The US didn't need the missiles in Turkey and Khrushchev lost a lot of political capital domestically with that trade.
 
2020-06-09 9:23:18 PM  
Malcom Gladwell has an interesting audio book that goes into a quite a lot of detail about just how badly the CIA farked up in Europe and Cuba during the 60's and 70's. Psrt of a wider discussion about self-deception.  The CIA handlers and their bosses were infiltrated to the hilt, and (paraphrasing)  Gladwell's premise is it was mostly because they ignored facts on the ground in favor of assumptions they brought to the raw data.
 
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