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(NPR)   Judge blocks the removal of Lee's statue from Richmond because of a lawsuit by the family who donated the land on which it stands, claiming VA promised to ""faithfully guard" and "affectionately protect" the statue. You can't do that in a warehouse?   (npr.org) divider line
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2020-06-09 9:18:31 AM  
I saw it acting aggressively. It was rioting and not obeying orders. Its presence in the park after being given orders of dispersal required the use of unnecessary force in its removal. Sure we were legally sworn to protect it but did you see how uppity that statue was being?

Seriously, chains and trucks, all of em
 
2020-06-09 9:19:23 AM  
Much like in Bristol, I worry that this statue is going to trip and fall in the river

/is there a river nearby?
 
2020-06-09 9:25:42 AM  
Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.
 
2020-06-09 9:39:55 AM  
Looks like a nice place for a highway - eminent domain that statue.
 
2020-06-09 10:09:43 AM  

bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.


Problem with Adverse possession is that it has to be "adverse" which is to say you occupy the land without permission.   However I would say the Rule Against Perpetuities applies here.  There is a limit on how long land-use and conveyance conditions on a piece of real property are allowed to last.  Generally, "a life in being plus twenty one years." which is to say no more than a lifetime of someone alive when the condition was created plus two decades.   Pretty sure its a safe bet in 2020, the rule applies to a land transfer from 1890
 
2020-06-09 10:13:55 AM  
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2020-06-09 10:22:06 AM  

bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.


Are.....are you trying to argue the State of Virginia got title to land that it already owned for over a hundred years by occupying it?

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2020-06-09 10:22:11 AM  

Magorn: bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.

Problem with Adverse possession is that it has to be "adverse" which is to say you occupy the land without permission.   However I would say the Rule Against Perpetuities applies here.  There is a limit on how long land-use and conveyance conditions on a piece of real property are allowed to last.  Generally, "a life in being plus twenty one years." which is to say no more than a lifetime of someone alive when the condition was created plus two decades.   Pretty sure its a safe bet in 2020, the rule applies to a land transfer from 1890


I would like to add that as a legal term "affectionately protect" probably doesn't have much of a definition in Blacks Law Dictionary (ironic title notwithstanding).  I smell racism in this judge, strong racism.  Once could EASILY suggest that affectionate protection here encourages the removal of the statue to protect it from bird poop, protests, weathering, bla bla bla.
 
2020-06-09 10:23:09 AM  
I can't wait for Meal Team 6 to show up and claim they are going to protect it.
 
2020-06-09 10:26:45 AM  
Tear it down and dump it in the patomac.
 
2020-06-09 10:27:39 AM  
We protect racist statues more in this country then black people.
 
2020-06-09 10:27:50 AM  
I'd there anything useful on the land?  If not, then give it back and start collecting property tax on it.
 
2020-06-09 10:28:04 AM  
This is why things get burnt down.
 
2020-06-09 10:28:29 AM  
Give the property back to the family, tell them it's their bank account that will pay for its upkeep, and remove the statue. Problem solved.
 
2020-06-09 10:28:48 AM  
"Oh no, it's causing a confrontation with these protesters. In order to safeguard it as lovingly as we can, we simply must move it to a secure location inside the Museum of Incompetent Failed Slaver-Traitors."
 
2020-06-09 10:28:51 AM  
This family belongs in jail.
 
2020-06-09 10:29:28 AM  
It could be faithfully guarded affectionately placed in front of the new Treason Museum.

/ Which will also contain the Trump Presidential Library.
 
2020-06-09 10:29:40 AM  
I DON'T GET IT.

Why take down statues whose history should not be forgotten?
Ridiculous.

What you do, you LEAVE the statues where they are, and you change the plaque to read

"THIS GUY WAS A FARKING A@@HOLE"
 
2020-06-09 10:29:44 AM  

Magorn: bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.

Problem with Adverse possession is that it has to be "adverse" which is to say you occupy the land without permission.   However I would say the Rule Against Perpetuities applies here.  There is a limit on how long land-use and conveyance conditions on a piece of real property are allowed to last.  Generally, "a life in being plus twenty one years." which is to say no more than a lifetime of someone alive when the condition was created plus two decades.   Pretty sure its a safe bet in 2020, the rule applies to a land transfer from 1890


I'm not sure the Rule applies to conditions placed on transfers to the government (or charitable entities) in most states, though.

Most of the equitable reasons for the Rule fo not seem to apply to voluntary transfers to charities and the government for specific purposes.

I mean, look at the Hershey Trust issues that have been going on up in PA.
 
2020-06-09 10:29:48 AM  
How old is that statue?  Was it put up during the early 20th C as a middle finger to black people?  I'd suggest putting it in a museum as a compromise if it's a legit old statue.
 
2020-06-09 10:30:33 AM  
I hope it's torn apart by protestors then. I'm tired of being polite to racists.
 
2020-06-09 10:30:35 AM  
Did I miss the part about it having to be displayed too?  If not, your local storage shed should work.
 
2020-06-09 10:32:13 AM  
The only confederate statue that should not be touched...

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REMEMBER ME EDDY? WHEN I KILLED YOUR BROTHER?!?!
 
2020-06-09 10:32:13 AM  
They "claim" that the state said they'd protect it?  Do they have any documentation to that effect?  Then screw off.
 
2020-06-09 10:32:52 AM  

Porkbelly: Magorn: bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.

Problem with Adverse possession is that it has to be "adverse" which is to say you occupy the land without permission.   However I would say the Rule Against Perpetuities applies here.  There is a limit on how long land-use and conveyance conditions on a piece of real property are allowed to last.  Generally, "a life in being plus twenty one years." which is to say no more than a lifetime of someone alive when the condition was created plus two decades.   Pretty sure its a safe bet in 2020, the rule applies to a land transfer from 1890

I would like to add that as a legal term "affectionately protect" probably doesn't have much of a definition in Blacks Law Dictionary (ironic title notwithstanding).  I smell racism in this judge, strong racism.  Once could EASILY suggest that affectionate protection here encourages the removal of the statue to protect it from bird poop, protests, weathering, bla bla bla.


To say nothing of the fact that Richmond and the state of VA have a pretty good "public safety emergency" argument that should override any previous promises or covenants.  If an earthquake damaged the plinth and the statue was in danger of toppling, would the judge still block its removal?  Because the crowds have marde it clear the thing IS coming down, and if the state can do it safely in a controlled manner, people might get hurt in that process
 
2020-06-09 10:33:29 AM  
"I am relocating all police from the area from 11pm-midnight tomorrow. Also all surveillance cameras will be down for maintainence. Also our maintainence officer is reporting that several sledgehammers and chains have been misplaced."-Governor guy (hopefully)
 
2020-06-09 10:33:29 AM  
That family is really good at reading a room....
 
2020-06-09 10:33:30 AM  
Time to pull it down. The fall alone should fark it badly enough that it can't be put back up.
 
2020-06-09 10:33:58 AM  
Well, they better move it because that fuqer is coming down. Encase it in cement and burry it; that will keep it guarded and protected, forever. They never asked that it be 'displayed', did they?
 
2020-06-09 10:34:02 AM  
It's amazing the lengths people go to try to keep these

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I say let the statues stand if crybabies gonna cry, but make damn sure people know the south LOST, on a rather brutal, embarrassing plaque that should be required on these participation trophies..Some around here seem to have never gotten that memo.
 
2020-06-09 10:34:38 AM  
Fine.

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2020-06-09 10:34:43 AM  
When the authorities fail to act and the courts fail to uphold justice, the people have no recourse but take the actions justice demands. Rip that farking statue down. Dump that traitorous, racist, terrorist's likeness into the river, or hack it apart and melt it for scrap. Doesn't matter how, it just needs to go.

fark your heritage
fark your pride
fark your rebellion
fark your state's rights bulllshiat
fark your stupid stars and bars
 
2020-06-09 10:34:56 AM  
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2020-06-09 10:35:32 AM  

bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.


Adverse possession doesn't work that way...

You have to willingly possess something you believe to be yours for a period of years... and a big indicator of that is whether you pay taxes on it.  If you pay taxes it is assumed you are acting on it and thereby extinguishing any adverse possession claims.

Adverse possession also cannot work against a municipality.

This all comes down to the fact that our churches, governments and other charitable entities no longer act in good faith with earmarked donated money and items. The courts over time have basically set the standard that earmarked donations don't have to be honored anymore... once they get their hands on stuff they can basically do whatever the hell they want with it.
 
2020-06-09 10:35:46 AM  

Gubbo: Much like in Bristol, I worry that this statue is going to trip and fall in the river

/is there a river nearby?



James River....just chuck it in
 
2020-06-09 10:37:29 AM  
Pull that shiat down and return it to the traitor's family. Let them deal with it.
 
2020-06-09 10:37:33 AM  

davynelson: I DON'T GET IT.

Why take down statues whose history should not be forgotten?
Ridiculous.

What you do, you LEAVE the statues where they are, and you change the plaque to read

"THIS GUY WAS A FARKING A@@HOLE"


You don't need to erect a statue to people who were memorably bad. You don't see triumphant Hitler statues in every city in Germany with "hey, remember, this guy sucked" scrawled underneath. The Cuban quarter of Miami does not have a giant Castro statue with "remember how much we don't like this guy" stamped on it somewhere. The American colonists in 1776 did not erect a statue of King George III on horseback with a little bronze plaque saying "this is the guy we don't want to rule us" underneath it.

You can, instead, just relegate them to the villain role in history books, and instead erect statues to the people you want to memorialise.
 
2020-06-09 10:37:58 AM  
The irony is that it's probably going to come down in a way that doesn't exactly preserve it.
 
2020-06-09 10:38:58 AM  
With all the folks pulling down statues these days, it seems like the best way to "faithfully guard" Mr. Lee would be remove him from public display, put him in a warehouse. Maybe a few top men to guard him?

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2020-06-09 10:40:09 AM  
This shiat belongs in a museum where it can be shown along with the proper context:
"Traitors and their Failed Rebellions" 

We need to keep our knee on the throat of fascism so it can't breathe.
 
2020-06-09 10:40:24 AM  

APO_Buddha: I can't wait for Meal Team 6 to show up and claim they are going to protect it.


Do you WANT Charlottesville?  Because THAT's how you get Charlottesville
 
2020-06-09 10:43:21 AM  

Farkonaut: This shiat belongs in a museum where it can be shown along with the proper context:
"Traitors and their Failed Rebellions" 

We need to keep our knee on the throat of fascism so it can't breathe.


It belongs in a museum if it's legit old and from that era.  If it was put up in the last 100 years, well then its not from that era, it's not historical, and it's not museum-quality.
 
2020-06-09 10:43:25 AM  
To paraphrase Andrew Jackson, the judge has made his order, now let him enforce it. If racists can use it in their favor, we can return the sentiment.
 
2020-06-09 10:47:08 AM  

raerae1980: Farkonaut: This shiat belongs in a museum where it can be shown along with the proper context:
"Traitors and their Failed Rebellions" 

We need to keep our knee on the throat of fascism so it can't breathe.

It belongs in a museum if it's legit old and from that era.  If it was put up in the last 100 years, well then its not from that era, it's not historical, and it's not museum-quality.


I'm fine with a basement. Near the back.

Bring it up front every so often to show not only there was a time when owning people was thought to be a right, but that that time wasn't as far back as people would like to believe.
 
2020-06-09 10:47:27 AM  

wejash: Magorn: bloobeary: Under Virginia adverse possession laws, a person may acquire title after inhabiting a property for 15 years.

So, any property conditions attached to that statue were most likely gone a good long time ago.

Problem with Adverse possession is that it has to be "adverse" which is to say you occupy the land without permission.   However I would say the Rule Against Perpetuities applies here.  There is a limit on how long land-use and conveyance conditions on a piece of real property are allowed to last.  Generally, "a life in being plus twenty one years." which is to say no more than a lifetime of someone alive when the condition was created plus two decades.   Pretty sure its a safe bet in 2020, the rule applies to a land transfer from 1890

I'm not sure the Rule applies to conditions placed on transfers to the government (or charitable entities) in most states, though.


I think the exception there only applied to a conveyance from a government or charitable entity to another one, not from a private entity to government/charity.

Been a long time since contracts though.
 
2020-06-09 10:47:53 AM  
davynelson:

Why take down statues whose history should not be forgotten?

Because it makes no sense to erect testaments of honour to people who tried to burn your country to ash over the right to treat other human beings as property.

You don't have statues of Japanese, Italian, or German generals standing proud in city squares, right?  It's the same thing with the confederate shiatweasels.
 
2020-06-09 10:48:20 AM  

Subtonic: The only confederate statue that should not be touched...

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REMEMBER ME EDDY? WHEN I KILLED YOUR BROTHER?!?!


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2020-06-09 10:49:28 AM  

davynelson: I DON'T GET IT.

Why take down statues whose history should not be forgotten?
Ridiculous.

What you do, you LEAVE the statues where they are, and you change the plaque to read

"THIS GUY WAS A FARKING A@@HOLE"


Nah, we don't need giant equestrian statues for enemies of the United States.  Unless you think there should be equestrian statues of John Walker Lindh and Charles Manson on display as well.

Besides, we have books and Wikipedia now.  People don't learn history through statues.
 
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2020-06-09 10:52:05 AM  

Gubbo: raerae1980: Farkonaut: This shiat belongs in a museum where it can be shown along with the proper context:
"Traitors and their Failed Rebellions" 

We need to keep our knee on the throat of fascism so it can't breathe.

It belongs in a museum if it's legit old and from that era.  If it was put up in the last 100 years, well then its not from that era, it's not historical, and it's not museum-quality.

I'm fine with a basement. Near the back.

Bring it up front every so often to show not only there was a time when owning people was thought to be a right, but that that time wasn't as far back as people would like to believe.


I'm fine with that.   Nothing says the museum has to display the statue.  :-)
 
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