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2020-06-08 3:35:32 PM  
rofl you losers committed to better hygienic and social practices for nothing
 
2020-06-08 3:38:27 PM  
Trump to reinstate funding to WHO in 3... 2...
 
2020-06-08 4:00:16 PM  
But the WHO says that while asymptomatic spread can occur, it is "very rare."
 
2020-06-08 4:47:06 PM  
What about the Yahoo's who go to work symptomatic?
 
2020-06-08 4:49:44 PM  
But social distancing also protects you from those people who are sick and are just in denial about it (oh, it's just a cough -- I'm fine, and I really need those potato chips) or who have no sick leave or work for companies that will fire them if they call in sick.
 
2020-06-08 5:11:11 PM  
Something is going on with WHO lately. Remember they said don't wear masks? Then they retracted and said 'you know, we were right the first time. Wear masks.'

I'll keep wearing masks and attempt social distancing.
 
2020-06-08 5:36:39 PM  
So the places not doing social distancing are fine then? Why don't we look over those numbers. Yikes.
 
2020-06-08 5:37:08 PM  
We're approaching Kushner levels of ineptitude here.
 
2020-06-08 5:37:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Something is going on with WHO lately. Remember they said don't wear masks? Then they retracted and said 'you know, we were right the first time. Wear masks.'

I'll keep wearing masks and attempt social distancing.


They've been as consistent as dietary trends.
 
2020-06-08 5:37:57 PM  
CNBC? Yeah, they'd champion gouging your neighbor's kids' eyes out w/ your thumbs if it boosted the S&P a quarter point.
 
2020-06-08 5:38:42 PM  
Regardless of the effectiveness of disease prevention, the mask wearing and social distancing has helped to more easily identify the Asshole-Americans from non-Asshole-Americans.
 
2020-06-08 5:39:27 PM  
I just assume -- as I always have, really -- that most people are disgusting. I'm wearing a mask in public places that are kinda crowded, like stores and restaurants, mostly because I don't want to be associated with the "my freedom to not wear a mask" assholes, but also because I figure, eh, it can't hurt.

I haven't been even close to sick all this time (knock on wood), so ... (shrug) So far so good.

I will continue to avoid most people and keep my distance from them. I find people in general are inconsiderate assholes, so I just assume there are plague carriers out there who are sick and just don't give a fark. Like usual.
 
2020-06-08 5:39:28 PM  

Opacity: Trump to reinstate funding to WHO in 3... 2...


Will he also recognize Taiwan?

/you pathetic, partisan assclown
 
2020-06-08 5:39:47 PM  
FTFA: She acknowledged that some studies have indicated asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread in nursing homes and in household settings.
More research and data are needed to "truly answer" the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added.
 
2020-06-08 5:40:23 PM  
The WHO is just bitter that they get no more funding from the US and this us their way to get back at them by getting everybody sick. A petty move.
 
2020-06-08 5:41:47 PM  
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA​A​AAAAAAAAHH
 
2020-06-08 5:41:48 PM  
There is FAR too much evidence for asymptomatic transmission for this to be real. It's worth noting that this is CNBC, poster children for "REOPEN EVERYTHING NOW."
 
2020-06-08 5:42:20 PM  
Why farking risk it? Plague Doctors coming back in fashion?
 
2020-06-08 5:42:44 PM  
It's a good thing that COVID-19 symptoms don't resemble those of common, mostly innocuous respiratory infections!  Otherwise people might go out and expose crowds while symptomatic under the mistaken belief that they have a rhinovirus or seasonal allergies or the like.
 
2020-06-08 5:43:41 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: mostly because I don't want to be associated with the "my freedom to not wear a mask"


That's called "virtue signaling".
 
2020-06-08 5:44:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Something is going on with WHO lately. Remember they said don't wear masks? Then they retracted and said 'you know, we were right the first time. Wear masks.'

I'll keep wearing masks and attempt social distancing.


Honestly, I think this was an "Oh shiat! If we tell everyone to wear them, there's no way the hospitals are going to have enough. And though it's bad for people in general not to wear masks, it's catastrophic for hospital staff not to." So they went with the lesser of 2 evils.
 
2020-06-08 5:44:49 PM  
We know for a fact that the virus can become aerosolized, we know about how far on average that cloud will travel, we know how effectively different kinds of masks are at stopping different droplet sizes. All of that except the first point are knowledge we have from previous research work. It's not hard to go from that one piece of data to the fact that social distancing and masks are effective at reducing the spreading of the disease. Why the WHO keeps going back and forth and muddying the message I have zero clue.
 
2020-06-08 5:45:04 PM  
Current times remind me of the hedgehog's dilemma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgeho​g​%27s_dilemma
 
2020-06-08 5:45:09 PM  
Oh, good. We're at the "why didn't scientists know everything about the new disease the moment it started!?" phase of this stupidity...
 
2020-06-08 5:45:11 PM  

Trocadero: CNBC? Yeah, they'd champion gouging your neighbor's kids' eyes out w/ your thumbs if it boosted the S&P a quarter point.


Oh, yeah. The Fox Business of MSNBC.
 
2020-06-08 5:46:44 PM  
This shiat is why nobody will ever take these "pandemic alerts" seriously.
 
2020-06-08 5:47:24 PM  
Well, I hope it's not an STD with 114 Thousand Americans dead in 3 months.
 
2020-06-08 5:47:54 PM  

Trocadero: CNBC? Yeah, they'd champion gouging your neighbor's kids' eyes out w/ your thumbs if it boosted the S&P a quarter point.


So CNBC is pro-antifa, amirite?
 
2020-06-08 5:47:54 PM  

Lance Robdon: Regardless of the effectiveness of disease prevention, the mask wearing and social distancing has helped to more easily identify the Asshole-Americans from non-Asshole-Americans.


But I'm an asshole and still wear a mask
 
2020-06-08 5:48:15 PM  

Optimus Primate: This shiat is why nobody will ever take these "pandemic alerts" seriously.


Are you saying....

you won't get fooled again?
 
2020-06-08 5:49:06 PM  
Seeing how the WHO did such a monumental crapping of the bed here, I am actually ok with Trump defunding them

Time to scrap the WHO and create something better, maybe not a singluar body that can be overrun and farked over by a massive hierarchy of bureaucrats, but something more open, transparent and decentralized so that peer review can take place and involve not just public sector, but private sector involvement as well
 
2020-06-08 5:49:25 PM  
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again!
 
2020-06-08 5:50:28 PM  
Meet the new boss! Same as the old boss!
 
2020-06-08 5:50:42 PM  
It isn't non-existent. The Seattle choir is the prime example of that. 2 1/2 hours together in a small room. Viral load -- virus encountered over time -- seems to be the driving factor. I've seen several state-of-the-reseach articles and that's the common thread. A symptomatic person will shed more virus in a short amount of time than an a symptomatic person.

I'm sure most of us have gone shopping since the lock-down. If the virus is currently infecting 1 in 500, you're odds of encountering a person with the virus in a day hits even money at around 40 people. A grocery store doing any kind of business will have had a virus-shedder during the day. But, that doesn't usually involve transmission. Why?  I'm guessing it's the size of the place and the kind of ventilation that separates it from the room the Seattle choir practiced in.

Keep your distance. Keep it covered. (It may be you.) And keep it brief. I'm in the death-stalks-1-in-5 cohort so maybe I'm just more careful than you young ones need to be.
 
2020-06-08 5:51:04 PM  
How about a report that says no one really knows anything, this spreads in ways we don't truly understand, new Zealand is the only place that handled it right,

the half measures the US took to try to stop it were pointless and killed the economy and will kill more people by drawing this out.

Always remember krispy kreme was considered essential
 
2020-06-08 5:51:14 PM  

Mike_LowELL: rofl you losers committed to better hygienic and social practices for nothing


Wait, so you mean I improved my diet, limited alcohol intake, started taking vitamins and exercising for a LIE?!

THAT'S IT! I'll never do anything good or healthy for myself ever again!
 
2020-06-08 5:51:45 PM  
By the way, that post that I made before was intended to be a The Who reference, in case it wasn't clear. I ain't no covidiot. Wash your hands, stay home, and if you don't, wear a mask, for fark's sale.
 
2020-06-08 5:51:47 PM  

rcain: Seeing how the WHO did such a monumental crapping of the bed here, I am actually ok with Trump defunding them

Time to scrap the WHO and create something better, maybe not a singluar body that can be overrun and farked over by a massive hierarchy of bureaucrats, but something more open, transparent and decentralized so that peer review can take place and involve not just public sector, but private sector involvement as well


That's supposed to be what the WHO is. And then bureaucrats found out there was plenty of money under the table. . .
 
2020-06-08 5:51:49 PM  
We were talking about the police brutality protesters and the likelihood of a spike due to the crowds.  My opinion is that they were outside and mostly masked, unlike the maskless "open or we'll shoot" demonstrators clusterfarking at the State House doors.  I think outdoor transmission is a rarity, but I"ll wear the outdoor mask if it will make people feel safer.
 
2020-06-08 5:53:10 PM  
It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled. Fools.
 
2020-06-08 5:53:36 PM  

Trocadero: CNBC? Yeah, they'd champion gouging your neighbor's kids' eyes out w/ your thumbs if it boosted the S&P a quarter point.


If you knew my neighbor's kids, you'd have thumb calluses already.
 
2020-06-08 5:54:12 PM  
Dayum, that was a bad article. I think the author confuses aysmptomatic, presymptomatic, and not showing symptoms.

A study came out a couple of weeks ago that showed that asymptomatic people don't spread it, but presymptomatic people spread it a lot. Unfortunately, the two groups look a like.

This argues that the rate is low (around ten percent). This one says high. This is based on one guy at a meeting who infected 14 people.

Okay, I just listened to a bunch of the conference, and the author did screw up. If you want to listen, it's around 33:50. The answer is that a truly asymptomatic individual rarely transmits. But "without symptoms" is NOT the same as "asymptomatic"--"asymptomatic" means never showed symptoms. A person can be without symptoms because they are presymptomatic.
 
2020-06-08 5:54:16 PM  
If this is true then how do they explain stories like the choir in NY? Everyone claimed they were healthy, most got sick, some died. That shows that it's not only possible but quite probable.
 
2020-06-08 5:54:37 PM  
FTFATo be sure, asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread of the virus appears to still be happening, Van Kerkhove said but remains rare.

I'll keep wearing my mask when out shopping or whatever. It's really not a burden. I've had "Covid toe" for 3 months now, some days better and some worse. Today it's not purple, but the skin is peeling off. I feel much better knowing that I'm doing my best not to infect someone. As much as I dislike humans in general, I still don't want to cause harm if I can easily avoid it.
 
2020-06-08 5:54:46 PM  

Clarence Brown: Dayum, that was a bad article. I think the author confuses aysmptomatic, presymptomatic, and not showing symptoms.

A study came out a couple of weeks ago that showed that asymptomatic people don't spread it, but presymptomatic people spread it a lot. Unfortunately, the two groups look a like.

This argues that the rate is low (around ten percent). This one says high. This is based on one guy at a meeting who infected 14 people.

Okay, I just listened to a bunch of the conference, and the author did screw up. If you want to listen, it's around 33:50. The answer is that a truly asymptomatic individual rarely transmits. But "without symptoms" is NOT the same as "asymptomatic"--"asymptomatic" means never showed symptoms. A person can be without symptoms because they are presymptomatic.


Oh, I forgot to include the link: https://twitter.com/WHO/status/127001​3​794366812160
 
2020-06-08 5:55:08 PM  

robodog: We know for a fact that the virus can become aerosolized, we know about how far on average that cloud will travel, we know how effectively different kinds of masks are at stopping different droplet sizes. All of that except the first point are knowledge we have from previous research work. It's not hard to go from that one piece of data to the fact that social distancing and masks are effective at reducing the spreading of the disease. Why the WHO keeps going back and forth and muddying the message I have zero clue.


Science goes back and forth as more information becomes available, as they've had more time to work out what previous information meant. It's transparency. It's when an authority figure or agency insists the changing facts always support their agenda that it's time to be worried about their aims.
 
2020-06-08 5:55:12 PM  
So they juuust rolled back their recommendation against everyone wearing masks in public... And now they're invalidating the reason we understand everyone wearing masks lowers the transmission rate?

Do they have an alternate theory why masks for everyone helps lower the transmission rate? It doesn't cut down on droplet spray from asymptomatic carriers, so what causes the results they have seen which were enough to make them recommend masks for all?

It seems a little premature to be releasing this information. Especially without a concrete idea of what it means and what we should do with it. Some folks are going to take this as a green light to roll back all the social distancing and reopen more stuff.

What happened to all the tentative hemming and hawing about recommending masks and how it might cause a false sense of security so they needed to be really, really sure before they made that recommendation? THIS won't cause a false sense of security??
 
2020-06-08 5:55:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Something is going on with WHO lately. Remember they said don't wear masks? Then they retracted and said 'you know, we were right the first time. Wear masks.'

I'll keep wearing masks and attempt social distancing.


I'm going to assume you're another person that has a face made for radio. I know I, and the people I see around me, look much better with a mask on.
 
2020-06-08 5:55:51 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: We were talking about the police brutality protesters and the likelihood of a spike due to the crowds.  My opinion is that they were outside and mostly masked, unlike the maskless "open or we'll shoot" demonstrators clusterfarking at the State House doors.  I think outdoor transmission is a rarity, but I"ll wear the outdoor mask if it will make people feel safer.


The "give me a haircut or give me death I'll kill you" morons were a rarity and turned out in small numbers. The crowds protesting to not be killed are much, much more massive. The sheer volume of people involved suggest there will be a much higher number of transmissions than occurred among the handful of pathetic snowflakes who were outraged because they couldn't go to the salon or gorge themselves at Old Country Buffet.
 
2020-06-08 5:55:54 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: There is FAR too much evidence for asymptomatic transmission for this to be real. It's worth noting that this is CNBC, poster children for "REOPEN EVERYTHING NOW."


So, this isn't WHO saying this, this is CNBC just making up that WHO is saying this?
 
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