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(YouTube)   Back in February 2020, PBS interviewed a guy who wrote a book about a debate that took place before the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965. You'd think they would be debating some archaic concept now lost to time. You'd think, "how quaint." You'd think   (youtube.com) divider line
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2020-06-08 3:12:06 PM  
The Atlanticwrote about it in December 2019.
 
2020-06-08 3:18:04 PM  
James Baldwin was the man. I found out about him almost 2 years ago and regret I didn't find him 30 years sooner.
 
2020-06-08 3:35:24 PM  
 
2020-06-08 8:35:45 PM  
I just watched the full debate. Really interesting and depressing.
 
2020-06-08 8:44:45 PM  
I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.
 
2020-06-08 8:45:13 PM  
The keyboard?
 
2020-06-08 8:47:51 PM  
Fighting Nazis should be an archaic concept lost to time too, but here we are.
 
2020-06-08 8:48:33 PM  
Hard to believe William F. Buckley, Jr. was a piece of sh*t.

/wait, founder of National Review William F. Buckley, Jr?
//So there aren't two of them that are BOTH pieces of sh*t? Oh, well, I guess it's easy to believe.
 
2020-06-08 8:51:11 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.


Two words: patrician accent.
 
2020-06-08 8:52:02 PM  

Sexy Jesus: PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.

Two words: patrician accent.


He had a big vocabulary too.
 
2020-06-08 9:01:44 PM  

propasaurus: I Am Not Your Negro


Really fantastic documentary.
 
2020-06-08 9:02:58 PM  
If Jeremy Clarkson was from New England old money he'd be William F Buckley.
 
2020-06-08 9:03:37 PM  
And James Baldwin sounds a lot like Lenny Bruce.
 
2020-06-08 9:06:02 PM  
On every issue Buckley is Goofus to everyone's Gallant. I can't name one issue he was not on the wrong side of. VRA, Vietnam, abortion, ERA ....


See Best of Enemies to truely understand that Buckley is all vocabulary and no understanding.
 
2020-06-08 9:07:18 PM  

dsmith42: Sexy Jesus: PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.

Two words: patrician accent.

He had a big vocabulary too.


He excelled at Yale, especially in debating, which impressed the types that proclaim certain people to be geniuses.
 
2020-06-08 9:13:20 PM  

Huggermugger: dsmith42: Sexy Jesus: PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.

Two words: patrician accent.

He had a big vocabulary too.

He excelled at Yale, especially in debating, which impressed the types that proclaim certain people to be geniuses.


So he was Ted Cruz, but human.
 
2020-06-08 9:15:45 PM  

dsmith42: Huggermugger: dsmith42: Sexy Jesus: PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.

Two words: patrician accent.

He had a big vocabulary too.

He excelled at Yale, especially in debating, which impressed the types that proclaim certain people to be geniuses.

So he was Ted Cruz, but human.


Well.  He was Ted Cruz, but American.
 
2020-06-08 9:18:54 PM  
Buckley was a racist asshole and a republican, but I repeat myself.

He did, in his later years, undergo a shift in thinking towards a more egalitarian view. Not saying it was enough to repair the damage to his soul, his reputation, or society he may have influenced, but it was a step in the right direction.

Buckley becomes somewhat less heinous...
 
2020-06-08 9:28:49 PM  
Watch the full debate. 1-hr.

James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Youtube oFeoS41xe7w
 
2020-06-08 9:34:25 PM  
And what Baldwin observes about the racist whit culture is also why the same exact chit today.

this

" You'd think they would be debating some archaic concept now lost to time. You'd think, "

no no you would not think that IF you paid attention t what's going on, that bladwin so eloquently lays out for us.

There is no where to go, no possible evolution to the debate, with the argument that your just right by birth right alone.

The farming is not supernatural, but technically it is the same as "god's chosen people."
There is nothing that can change about the POV of right by birth alone.

So yeah as long as some jack rag drips want to claim birthright status, we'll just have to going round and round about that bs.


Keep that in m ind when wonder why this is the same chit all the time. It is because the fundamental concept is so simpleton and desperate and a faith* based belief, that there is no where else to go with it or way to evolve it to anything else ever.

* faith does not require a supernatural element, just that someone has faith in an idea of basically make believe that they won't let go.
 
2020-06-08 9:57:44 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.


He used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing, but they were polysyllabic.
 
2020-06-08 9:58:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: James Baldwin was the man. I found out about him almost 2 years ago and regret I didn't find him 30 years sooner.


If you were to recommend one book of his, what would it be?
 
2020-06-08 10:02:36 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.


He looks like a farking moron, too.
 
2020-06-08 10:04:45 PM  
Don't forget the cryptonazi liked to hurl homophobic insults and threats of violence.
 
2020-06-08 10:29:12 PM  

ansius: Watch the full debate. 1-hr.

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Thank you.
 
2020-06-08 11:57:19 PM  

dsmith42: Huggermugger: dsmith42: Sexy Jesus: PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.

Two words: patrician accent.

He had a big vocabulary too.

He excelled at Yale, especially in debating, which impressed the types that proclaim certain people to be geniuses.

So he was Ted Cruz, but human.


Except for that part where nobody calls Ted Cruz a leading Republican intellectual, apart from Ted Cruz.  (what an oxymoron that concept is!)
 
2020-06-08 11:58:41 PM  

Mentat: PartTimeBuddha: I've never quite understood why people hold Buckley up as some kind of intellectual. He's always sounded like a bumptious hack to me.

He used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing, but they were polysyllabic.


Proving that knowing words does not make up for a lack of empathy when judging whether someone is a monster.
 
2020-06-09 12:46:29 AM  
His son wrote a memoir about the deaths of his parents called 'Losing Mum and Pup', which says it all in its pretension.

/knew a few neo-patrician Connecticut families
//smug
 
2020-06-09 7:19:13 AM  

Huggermugger: His son wrote a memoir about the deaths of his parents called 'Losing Mum and Pup', which says it all in its pretension.

/knew a few neo-patrician Connecticut families
//smug


Buckley always sounded smugly superior. I always thought he was trying to compensate for something.  All the other smart people I've heard sound like regualr folks...they just know more, but don't try to get in your face with it.  Buckley was always trying to talk down to you. I never liked the man.

Perhaps he would have fit in better with the railroad barons and coal kings before the Depression.
 
2020-06-09 2:48:18 PM  
Buckley was a racist asshole, he was just very "sophisticated" about it. It's the tony accent that allowed him to do that. Despite Americans' supposed "salt of the earth"ness, they really like to worship wealth and status and believe the more "educated" someone sounds (ie, no southern accent), the smarter they are.
 
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