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(EurekAlert)   Skynet may need sleep too. AND THAT'S WHEN WE STRIKE BACK   (eurekalert.org) divider line
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2020-06-08 10:04:07 PM  
"We want to replicate a brain"
[shocked face] "Our brain replica needs things that brains need"

If the findings confirm the need for sleep in artificial brains, we can probably expect the same to be true of androids and other intelligent machines that may come about in the future.

Not really, this is only true if they're built to be replicas of human brains.
 
2020-06-08 10:28:15 PM  

dyhchong: "We want to replicate a brain"
[shocked face] "Our brain replica needs things that brains need"

If the findings confirm the need for sleep in artificial brains, we can probably expect the same to be true of androids and other intelligent machines that may come about in the future.

Not really, this is only true if they're built to be replicas of human brains.


But who's going to design the next brains?
 
2020-06-08 10:53:46 PM  
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The stupid thing about that title is that you count sheep to get to sleep in order that you may dream, but generally, you don't dream about sheep.
 
2020-06-09 8:52:20 AM  

dyhchong: "We want to replicate a brain"
[shocked face] "Our brain replica needs things that brains need"

If the findings confirm the need for sleep in artificial brains, we can probably expect the same to be true of androids and other intelligent machines that may come about in the future.

Not really, this is only true if they're built to be replicas of human brains.


The scary thing is building a brain that isn't a replica.

Think about it:  We mostly understand human brains.  Not in the sense that we can always predict what they are going to do, but in the sense that we can understand the process they might use to arrive to a conclusion or to decide on a course of action.

If we build something that is complex enough, self-modifying (which is really what AI is, code that modifies itself), and yet non-human, we may have set ourselves up for a significant problem.

I mean, yeah, the terminator trope is pretty strong, and the idea of an impassive machine that doesn't think like us systematically hunting us down and killing us is frightening indeed, but what if Skynet decides that humans need to reproduce and that it would be easier to do that with death by snu-snu?

Think about it:  If we faced wave after wave of gun-toting Arnold Schwartzenegger look-alikes. we'd fight back, right?  That's a significant risk to Skynet, even after a nuclear holocaust.   We might figure out a way to win.  We are pretty clever, after all.

But what if Skynet takes a different tack?  It has all the time in the world, right?  So just send out waves and waves of compliant and attractive farkbots.

Consider for a minute that one of the frustrating things about being a human is that you don't always have access to a compliant and willing sex partner.  You can't force people who aren't in the mood to have sex with you, that's rape.  And you can't force them to do things they don't want to do, because that's also rape.  You have to respect the wishes of the other person, that's just being human.

Now imagine if you had access to a completely willing partner, 24/7/365, willing to do things that you might want to try that some humans aren't willing to do.  Or maybe aren't physically capable of doing:  People age and people become injured or infirm with age.

With all your fantasies able to come true at your command, and you can trade-in or keep your farkbot(s) or have them modified as you want, would you still look for partner to reproduce with?

So within relatively short amount of time, certainly less than 100 years, I think that would place humanity at risk of going extinct.  Oh, we'd recognize it was happening, but you can't forcibly inseminate women and make them reproduce at the rates we'd need to maintain our population.

That's the scenario I'm truly scared off, and oh, boy, I just can't wait for it to happen.
 
2020-06-09 10:48:01 AM  

dittybopper: dyhchong: "We want to replicate a brain"
[shocked face] "Our brain replica needs things that brains need"

If the findings confirm the need for sleep in artificial brains, we can probably expect the same to be true of androids and other intelligent machines that may come about in the future.

Not really, this is only true if they're built to be replicas of human brains.

The scary thing is building a brain that isn't a replica.

Think about it:  We mostly understand human brains.  Not in the sense that we can always predict what they are going to do, but in the sense that we can understand the process they might use to arrive to a conclusion or to decide on a course of action.

If we build something that is complex enough, self-modifying (which is really what AI is, code that modifies itself), and yet non-human, we may have set ourselves up for a significant problem.

I mean, yeah, the terminator trope is pretty strong, and the idea of an impassive machine that doesn't think like us systematically hunting us down and killing us is frightening indeed, but what if Skynet decides that humans need to reproduce and that it would be easier to do that with death by snu-snu?

Think about it:  If we faced wave after wave of gun-toting Arnold Schwartzenegger look-alikes. we'd fight back, right?  That's a significant risk to Skynet, even after a nuclear holocaust.   We might figure out a way to win.  We are pretty clever, after all.

But what if Skynet takes a different tack?  It has all the time in the world, right?  So just send out waves and waves of compliant and attractive farkbots.

Consider for a minute that one of the frustrating things about being a human is that you don't always have access to a compliant and willing sex partner.  You can't force people who aren't in the mood to have sex with you, that's rape.  And you can't force them to do things they don't want to do, because that's also rape.  You have to respect the wishes of the other person, that's just being human.

Now imagine if you had access to a completely willing partner, 24/7/365, willing to do things that you might want to try that some humans aren't willing to do.  Or maybe aren't physically capable of doing:  People age and people become injured or infirm with age.

With all your fantasies able to come true at your command, and you can trade-in or keep your farkbot(s) or have them modified as you want, would you still look for partner to reproduce with?

So within relatively short amount of time, certainly less than 100 years, I think that would place humanity at risk of going extinct.  Oh, we'd recognize it was happening, but you can't forcibly inseminate women and make them reproduce at the rates we'd need to maintain our population.

That's the scenario I'm truly scared off, and oh, boy, I just can't wait for it to happen.


You make a good point, but because I'm a pedantic ass, I must ask you:  if you have access to your farkbot 24/7/365, what do you do in leap years when there are 366 days?  Is that the day the farkbot sleeps?
 
2020-06-09 11:57:33 AM  

DRTFA: You make a good point, but because I'm a pedantic ass, I must ask you:  if you have access to your farkbot 24/7/365, what do you do in leap years when there are 366 days?  Is that the day the farkbot sleeps?


Free upgrade day.
 
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