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2020-06-07 6:01:45 PM  
273 votes:
I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.
 
2020-06-07 6:13:06 PM  
196 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


The Mormons have a very racist past.   I am not denying that, but god damn if you had told me a decade ago that Mitt Romney would be leading a march to the White House in support of Black Lives Matter...

Hell's a poppin' .
 
2020-06-07 6:16:42 PM  
168 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.
 
2020-06-07 6:13:24 PM  
157 votes:

Original: Original Tweet:

mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX


There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020
 
2020-06-07 6:19:17 PM  
141 votes:

shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.


I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.
 
2020-06-07 6:15:23 PM  
121 votes:
Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.
 
2020-06-07 6:24:32 PM  
119 votes:
I despise Mitt Romney with the heat of a thousand suns. He did terrible things to the UMaine system when he was involved, he was a sh*tty Governor who did some dodgy stuff here in Mass, and his weaseling towards the White House has been about as deft and bright as I'd expect from a wooden tent pole, but I'm willing to say, "Nice job, Mitt. Live your faith, and show others the way."

That Evangelicals showed up...that's actually a big one too. I am going to refrain from cynical musings because when someone does the right thing, you applaud them for it.
 
2020-06-07 6:30:56 PM  
58 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?
 
2020-06-07 6:13:43 PM  
58 votes:
So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?
 
2020-06-07 6:33:26 PM  
56 votes:
And here are Mitt Romney's approval ratings in Utah.
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I am sure it is just a coincidence that 29% strongly approve of Trump and 28% strongly disapprove of Romney
 
2020-06-07 6:24:28 PM  
51 votes:
The latest approval poll for Trump in Utah done prior to his epic march on the church for the photo opp.
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Remember how conservative Utah is when you look at those numbers. Character does matter to them.
 
2020-06-07 6:23:04 PM  
48 votes:
I talked smack about him in 2012 and the crap he pulled when he was Governor but good on you Senator.

/See, I didn't even call him "Rmoney"
 
2020-06-07 8:42:20 PM  
45 votes:
I disagree with Mittens on almost everything, but this is how a leader acts
 
2020-06-07 8:06:02 PM  
45 votes:
This assshair made his living buying companies and looting their pension funds for his own pocket and tossing the employees to the street to live off the government teat. Fark his sense of morality.

Having said that, I'm reminded of Eddie Valentine (Paul Sorvino) from The Rocketeer:

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"It matters to me. I may not make an honest buck, but I'm 100% American. I don't work for no two-bit Nazi."

That, and I think many are starting to realize that Fascism is just as much of a threat to Capitalism as it is to Democratic Socialism.
 
2020-06-07 6:57:23 PM  
45 votes:

kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him


Joe Biden won't run in 2024, that's why his VP pick is so important.
 
2020-06-07 6:34:18 PM  
44 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.


The W supporters who used to accuse you of hating god, the country and your mother any time you disagreed with them?  They almost immediately rebranded themselves as tea partiers and acted as if they'd opposed those ideas the entire time.

The Trump fans are going to try to pull something similar.  I just hope they don't get away with it, as they did in 2010, and come back into power almost immediately.

Make sure you keep pics of all of our 'friends' in red hats.  Remember who they are
 
2020-06-07 6:47:40 PM  
43 votes:
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2020-06-07 7:47:32 PM  
34 votes:
He owned it. This is far from a cynical vote-garnering maneuver. I'm going to pay respect here.
 
2020-06-07 8:41:05 PM  
28 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


I don't hate this at all.

Romney may have ethics, he may just be pandering. But part of dragging people kicking and screaming into the century of the fruitbat is allowing them breathing room to fake it till they make it. When the oldest generation is 99% on board or faking it, the youngest generation won't have the hate passed down.

Maybe my grandpa was racist as fark. If he hid is to theoretically satisfy my father to be allowed to see me, mission accomplished.
 
2020-06-07 6:49:25 PM  
28 votes:
I want to see some fresh polling after Trump's walk to the photo op. White Evangelicals skew older. Baby boomers. People who, or whose friends, may have protested Viet Nam or remember Kent State, because they were in college, too.

Trump probably lost some of them when he waved "a Bible" around as a prop in front of a church. Yes, they should never have supported him. But I'll take what I can get right now, especially if it also does cost the Republicans the Senate.

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Chart source.
 
2020-06-07 6:20:31 PM  
27 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: Original: Original Tweet:
mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX

There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020


Ida May Wells wrote a long Twitter thread on George Romney today too. I wonder if the weight of his father's courage finally got to him.


https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/stat​u​s/1269425687309541377
 
2020-06-07 6:22:13 PM  
26 votes:

Original: Original Tweet:

mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX


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2020-06-07 7:01:02 PM  
24 votes:

null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?


I'm in Texas and ill do my part. I dont expect it will go blue. But I think we will be close to purple.
 
2020-06-07 6:44:37 PM  
24 votes:
Good on him, credit where it's due.
 
2020-06-07 6:54:58 PM  
23 votes:
Glad to see he's slumming it so graciously on behalf of the 47% of Americans who will never vote for him because they're too busy gobbling up free stuff.

He gets partial credit for doing his minimum duty and voting for one of two articles of impeachment. Beyond that, one march does not get him off the hook for being one of the many figures that enabled the Republican Party to turn into the openly fascist cesspit it is today.
 
2020-06-07 6:30:59 PM  
23 votes:
So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them
 
2020-06-07 8:45:41 PM  
20 votes:
This is certainly a good thing, as it portends shifts toward progressivism.

That said, Romney has massive influence and money, and his response needs to be proportional to that.  Joining a march is great, but that's enough for, like, a casual racist in a small town with no money to do to balance the scales.  Romney has a lot of things to answer for, especially when it comes to communities of color and the queer community, before he's "one of us."

tl;dr:  acknowledge this as a good thing, but don't go sucking his dick just yet.

Ken S.: Remember how conservative Utah is when you look at those numbers. Character does matter to them.

Character doesn't matter that much--niceness does.  Mormons are racist, queerphobic, megalomaniacal monsters; they're just super polite about it.
 
2020-06-07 8:41:25 PM  
20 votes:

dv-ous: Dewey Fidalgo: shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.

I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.

To be fair (to be faaaaaaiiiiiir) US involvement in Vietnam was a product of two democratic presidential administrations.


Eh, not so much. We first sent military advisors there in 1947 and our last troops left in 1975. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford. Three Democrats, three Republicans. Now, I will agree that our involvement ramped up under LBJ, but Nixon wasn't exactly keen to slow it down. If anything, his choice to spread the war outward to Cambodia and Laos inspired Kent State and a myriad of other protests in this country in 1969, 1970, and 1971.

As a matter of historical "what if", Kennedy discussed pulling our troops out of Vietnam sometime in 1964, if not in late 1963, but, well, he had to go to Texas.
 
2020-06-07 8:12:54 PM  
20 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


Maybe your right but I just don't see it. A few maybe could walk away from him before the convention but no one is going to challenge Trump at the convention. If they actually succeeded and deposed Trump 30% of the Republican voters wouldn't show up and it would be a disaster for them in November.

You are probably right about Mitt not endorsing Biden but I could see him doing a non-endorsement  endorsement.

In these troubled times everyone must search their own conscience about how to vote in November. While I disagree with Joe Biden on many areas of policy I know him to be a decent and honourable man who I believe could lead our country forward. I do not believe that President Trump has the character needed to run the monkey cage at the zoo.

Okay, I may have lost Romney's voice towards the end, but you get the idea.
 
2020-06-07 7:45:36 PM  
20 votes:

Cagey B: Glad to see he's slumming it so graciously on behalf of the 47% of Americans who will never vote for him because they're too busy gobbling up free stuff.

He gets partial credit for doing his minimum duty and voting for one of two articles of impeachment. Beyond that, one march does not get him off the hook for being one of the many figures that enabled the Republican Party to turn into the openly fascist cesspit it is today.


Maybe Mitt is why all those Republican groups are making ads against Bunker Boy Donnie, but not endorsing Biden?
 
2020-06-07 7:20:50 PM  
20 votes:
Totally surprising to see, and I will always support an earnest effort to evolve.
 
2020-06-07 9:03:21 PM  
18 votes:
 My dad, a Vietnam vet and a life long liberal, always told me the civil rights protests in the 60s became truly empowered once older white guys in ties starting marching with the protesters. Is that good? Probably not, but it always stuck with me, and I couldn't help think about it when I saw this.
 
2020-06-07 8:58:58 PM  
18 votes:
This is how terrible 2020 is: it makes Mitt Romney look good.
 
2020-06-07 7:10:30 PM  
18 votes:
Well, shiat.  Even with evangelicals, this is not something I expected to see closing out this--or any other--weekend.

/Ted, strange things are afoot in the US of A.
 
2020-06-07 8:56:57 PM  
17 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: The Mormons have a very racist past.


Don't we all.
 
2020-06-07 8:50:30 PM  
16 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


Mitt's been running for President going on 16 years now and he's not stopping now.
 
2020-06-07 8:46:20 PM  
16 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.


I think ol' Mittens has been positioning himself to become the leader of whatever life raft of sanity escapes the Republican ship when it finally goes down, assuming the ship can't be saved by jettisoning the dead weight. Cynical calculation or not, we need someone to do that if we're going to make it through this intact as a country, and I'm not seeing much in the way of other good candidates out there for the job, not since McCain died and the rest with his ethics were primaried out by hardliners.
 
2020-06-07 7:56:01 PM  
15 votes:
Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.
 
2020-06-07 6:37:21 PM  
15 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?

Very interesting.

Now, Bunker Boy (Blessed be Randy Rainbow) might not let there even be a convention.

:(


He already said he won't speak to a half-empty arena, which is why they cancelled Charlotte.  So, if they can't get their delegates lined up, that's pretty-much a given anyway.
 
2020-06-07 6:34:00 PM  
14 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


Very interesting.

Now, Bunker Boy (Blessed be Randy Rainbow) might not let there even be a convention.

:(
 
2020-06-07 8:51:20 PM  
13 votes:

Naido: scottydoesntknow: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.

The W supporters who used to accuse you of hating god, the country and your mother any time you disagreed with them?  They almost immediately rebranded themselves as tea partiers and acted as if they'd opposed those ideas the entire time.

The Trump fans are going to try to pull something similar.  I just hope they don't get away with it, as they did in 2010, and come back into power almost immediately.

Make sure you keep pics of all of our 'friends' in red hats.  Remember who they are


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Jennifer Rubin, MSNBC's favorite "Never Trumper", wanted arbitrary bans against Muslims long before Trump got the taste for them. In 2011, after the terrorist attacks in Norway, she wanted an immediate ban against Muslims. And even after it was discovered that the perp was an anti-Muslim Christian extremist, she still wanted a ban against Muslims because reasons.

"Never Trump" conservatives are nobody's allies. They're people who want all the shiat Trump brings to the table, but don't want the "Trump" label attached to it.
 
2020-06-07 8:16:13 PM  
13 votes:
Mittens sure ain't dumb. He's positioning himself to scoop up the remnants once Der Fuhrer drives the true believers off of a cliff.
 
2020-06-07 8:59:58 PM  
12 votes:

iheartscotch: Mittens sure ain't dumb. He's positioning himself to scoop up the remnants once Der Fuhrer drives the true believers off of a cliff.


I think he's envisioning a scenario where he could gain a lot of power after November:

D's take WH AND Senate: McConnell takes the fall, he steps in as minority leader in the Senate.
D's take WH but not the Senate: Works out a deal with the D senators to become majority leader. D's all vote for Romney + a few embarrassed R's + Romney.

R's may fall in line publicly, but in private, they will not hesitate to shiv their colleagues to gain power for themselves. Right now, they're all toadying up to McConnell, but when they get out of power, McConnell's aura will immediately disappear, and it will be every man for himself. Relative to all other R's, Romney will come out looking the cleanest and won't have the stain of Trump all over him. Plus, it's not like UT is going to throw him out - they are LDS before R's. R's could call him a RINO all day, but as long as UT likes him, it doesn't matter. Lastly, and I think someone covered this, R's would be wise not to crap on Romney too much: going back to the LDS thing, if they take too many digs at their guy, they may decide to vote for Biden out of disgust.
 
2020-06-07 8:57:02 PM  
12 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


There are a shiatload of Christians who don't consider Mormons to be Christians.  Or Catholics, or certain varieties of Protestants.  It's all "no true Scotsman", all the way down to the congregation level, and that biatch Karen doesn't seem pious enough.
 
2020-06-07 7:33:56 PM  
12 votes:
brother romney is just a weather vane
 
2020-06-07 7:00:09 PM  
12 votes:

dv-ous: Dewey Fidalgo: shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.

I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.

To be fair (to be faaaaaaiiiiiir) US involvement in Vietnam was a product of two democratic presidential administrations.


Not arguing that, but the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution passed the House with no nay votes and the only two senators to vote nay: one from Oregon and one from Alaska...both Democrats.
 
2020-06-07 6:38:46 PM  
12 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


There's always the possibility that if Trump starts smelling like he's going to lose that he decides not to go through with the election. He's got an out of control ego, losing isn't an option. He'll make some lame excuse like his business empire needs him and he's decided he's done presidentin' after saving the world from Obama.
 
2020-06-07 9:07:44 PM  
11 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


Except when they're flooding money into California to block legalizing same-sex marriage.
 
2020-06-07 8:43:42 PM  
11 votes:
Yeah. Maybe he'd have more impact if he stopped caucusing with MoscowMitch
 
2020-06-07 8:48:39 PM  
10 votes:

Naido: scottydoesntknow: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.

The W supporters who used to accuse you of hating god, the country and your mother any time you disagreed with them?  They almost immediately rebranded themselves as tea partiers and acted as if they'd opposed those ideas the entire time.

The Trump fans are going to try to pull something similar.  I just hope they don't get away with it, as they did in 2010, and come back into power almost immediately.

Make sure you keep pics of all of our 'friends' in red hats.  Remember who they are


A million times this.
 
2020-06-07 8:43:29 PM  
10 votes:

Notabunny: I disagree with Mittens on almost everything, but this is how a leader acts


perfectly said
 
2020-06-07 7:47:20 PM  
10 votes:

shastacola: The Trump family, dripping with class as usual:

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If Trump's endorsement was a traded stock, people should have dumped it about 3 months ago.
 
2020-06-07 7:12:47 PM  
10 votes:
I always said Romney was an asshole.  However, if he keeps doing things like this, it is going to get harder and harder for me to have that opinion.
 
2020-06-07 10:42:41 PM  
8 votes:
We're actually talking about Mitt Romney being the only worthwhile Republican, the only one with a conscience.  Given his cohort of scumbags it's not unbelievable.  This is a guy who proudly brags about building a company whose only purpose was to disassemble other companies for profit, putting thousands of people out of work.  And he's the good guy in the GOP.
 
2020-06-07 9:45:51 PM  
8 votes:

yukichigai: not since McCain died and the rest with his ethics were primaried out by hardliners.


McCain didn't have "ethics", he had marketing.  "Maverick" was a brand.  He was Susan Collins, but prettier.
 
2020-06-07 9:24:36 PM  
8 votes:

Mikey1969: Ken S.: And here are Mitt Romney's approval ratings in Utah.
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I am sure it is just a coincidence that 29% strongly approve of Trump and 28% strongly disapprove of Romney

It's 22, not 29.

Either way, yes, it's a coincidence.


Look at the two different posts, one for Trumps approval showing 29% strongly approve of Trump, and the  second post showing Romney's approval showing 28% strongly disapprove of Romney.

I am just saying that I suspect a venn diagram of those two groups of people would be pretty much a circle.
 
2020-06-07 8:52:36 PM  
8 votes:

kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him


Joe Biden ain't running in 2024 if he doesn't win in 2020.

Assuming he wins in 2020, I personally doubt he'll run in 2024 anyway.

But even if he does, you are calling the race before we know what 4 years of a Biden presidency looks like?

We have found Nostradamus.
 
2020-06-07 11:05:07 PM  
7 votes:

Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.


This. The Mormon church has, and continues to do a lot of very shady things. Never mind what Joe Smith and Brigham Young did to secure their power. Check out the 'Naked Mormonism' podcast if you want a true history of Mormonism.
 
2020-06-07 10:05:32 PM  
7 votes:

Aetre: ...Wait. Mitt Romney has a spine now? (I mean, I know he voted to convict, but I thought that was just him drawing the short straw. This seems actually voluntary.)


He voted to convict because there was no chance of conviction. Had he been the deciding vote? No way he'd risk the backlash.

He's a coward, like every other republican.
 
2020-06-07 9:39:11 PM  
7 votes:
Eh. Go fark yourself Mitt. Photo Opportunities Matter.
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2020-06-07 9:26:44 PM  
7 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


I agreed with you until that last sentence. I come from a family of mormons, and trust me, their underpinning is anything but ethical or moral.
 
2020-06-07 9:14:56 PM  
7 votes:
And Biden will be going to Houston tomorrow to meet with George Floyd's family.
He's also delivering a video message for the funeral.

The Twitter McDump of Rage: Bunker Edition is going to be epic tonight.
 
2020-06-07 9:02:44 PM  
7 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


It's still gonna take some work to get Biden to work on n, but it could happen. Mormons are the hardest religion to fit into a box, and they really didn't like Trump. Sure, he won, but McMullin got a ton of votes... They didn't like his adultery, they didn't like the way he talks about others, they didn't like his foul mouth, they didn't like the things he's done, and they really didn't like the anti-immigrant thing.

Of course, they didn't want to elect "that woman", so they held their noses and voted for Donnie. Or threw their vote away on McMullin.

Now, let's fast forward 3 1/2 years. All of those things they didn't like about Trump? They seem positively quaint in comparison to now. He turned pretty much everything they didn't like up to 11, and shows no sign of letting up. Utah has weathered the current financial crisis relatively well, but it's not thanks to ANYTHING Trump did, and most people here know that.

I'm not too confident that it will happen, as red as the state is overall, but I wouldn't exactly be surprised if Biden took it. It would make me feel a lot better about this state's future, because right now, it seems like the most psychotic Republicans are almost all they elect. Romney hasn't been bad, and Huntsman was great. We have mayors and such, but state legislators are somehow the most rabid assholes in the state. Mike Lee, Orrin Hatch, Jason Chaffetz, Mia Love, they've all darkened our doorstep here in just the last few years. Maybe if the state votes Biden and the world doesn't end, they will at least elect more Huntsmans and less Lees, Loves, and Chaffetzes.

One can always dream, right?
 
2020-06-07 8:58:05 PM  
7 votes:
Good on ya, Mitt.
 
2020-06-07 8:56:12 PM  
7 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him

Joe Biden ain't running in 2024 if he doesn't win in 2020.

Assuming he wins in 2020, I personally doubt he'll run in 2024 anyway.

But even if he does, you are calling the race before we know what 4 years of a Biden presidency looks like?

We have found Nostradamus.


He already stated that he is a 1 termer. Basically, just try to put shiat back to before Trump.
 
2020-06-07 8:55:36 PM  
7 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him

Joe Biden ain't running in 2024 if he doesn't win in 2020.

Assuming he wins in 2020, I personally doubt he'll run in 2024 anyway.

But even if he does, you are calling the race before we know what 4 years of a Biden presidency looks like?

We have found Nostradamus.


Biden will barely make it to 3 years without becoming a bumbling forgetful old man. His VP pick better be up front and busy from day 1 and ready to take the wheel.
 
2020-06-07 8:48:42 PM  
7 votes:
GOOD FOR HIM!!!
 
2020-06-07 8:46:03 PM  
7 votes:

shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.


This.
Wish we could see more things like this.
 
2020-06-07 8:45:42 PM  
7 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


I don't think that would be dumb. It would just be an effort to undermine Trump and could be extremely effective.
 
2020-06-07 6:54:11 PM  
7 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.

I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.


To be fair (to be faaaaaaiiiiiir) US involvement in Vietnam was a product of two democratic presidential administrations.
 
2020-06-07 6:12:01 PM  
7 votes:
It never ends well when you give an AI an empathy chip.
 
2020-06-07 10:29:55 PM  
6 votes:
Romney knows the GOP has lost their way and a reckoning /extinction level event is awaiting it.

Everything he's done has isolated himself and a few others from the rest scourge and is probably hoping of being someone who can revive the party after the purge into something which has a least a shred of decency and humanity.

That said, good of him to do the right  thing.
 
2020-06-07 9:55:26 PM  
6 votes:
'47 PERCENT'
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax."

- Mitt Romney
 
2020-06-07 9:43:41 PM  
6 votes:
Actually, I realized the truly significant thing about this, just in case people really think he's doing this just for a photo op.

It's Sunday.

The Mormon "rest on the Sabbath" thing even means that they aren't supposed to go to the grocery store. When they're not at church, they're supposed to be at home with family, not working in any way. It's why you see so many businesses closed on Sunday here, it's not just because the owners or clients are Mormon, some places just don't see the business when a large chunk of your customers aren't allowed to patronize your business one day of the week.

Yet, Mitt decided that it was worth a potential "talking to" by church leadership.
 
2020-06-07 9:34:54 PM  
6 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: KonaDude: My dad, a Vietnam vet and a life long liberal, always told me the civil rights protests in the 60s became truly empowered once older white guys in ties starting marching with the protesters. Is that good? Probably not, but it always stuck with me, and I couldn't help think about it when I saw this.

Yep. When Nixon saw that he even lost the Hard Hats after what happened at Kent State, he knew it was Game Over.


That's a nice story, but most Americans supported the actions of the NG at Kent State.

Yeah, really: https://www.newspapers.com/cl​ip/135981​12/campus-unrest-linked-to-drugs/ (Look at the polling where nearly 60% of those polls blamed the students for the shooting.)

That supported was evidence by the fact that Nixon trounced McGovern in '72, two years after the massacre.

Older Americans quickly came to oppose the Vietnam War (polls showed more strongly than did young people). However, they never accepted the protest tactics used by young radicals and often opposed the war but, at the same time, supported oppressive actions by the police.

It's depressing.
 
2020-06-07 9:16:03 PM  
6 votes:
I'm not fooled! This is the same guy who said "Corporations are people, my friend" and literally wrote off 47% of all Americans as moochers who'd never vote for him.

He's just wanting to get Trump out of the way so he can make another "White Horse Prophesy" run for the Oval Office in 2024.

A *LOT* of republicans are gonna suddenly claim they are never-Trumps next year. I'm calling it now.

DON'T let them get away with it! If they take back the White House, they know what they can now get away with, and will just pick up where Trump left off.

Imagine a republican President like Trump, but WITH a functioning brain.
 
2020-06-07 8:50:08 PM  
6 votes:
As a Christian, I never dreamed that I would live long enough to see evangelicals marching for racial justice and to end police brutality. I feel a little bad for referring to evangelicals as KKKristians for the last few years. I guess I'd better be mindful of my own eye before I worry about the mote in somebody else's eye.
 
2020-06-07 6:52:19 PM  
6 votes:
Time to post my all time favorite video of Mitt Romney again!
Mitt Romney - Who Let the Dogs Out?
Youtube FDwwAaVmnf4
 
2020-06-07 9:53:10 PM  
5 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: I can't make fun of his actions so I'll make fun of his mask. He had all this time and the best he could come up with was a cheap construction style mask? Shameful coming from a household that likely has more quilts than members.


That's an N-95 mask. I've still got several just like it. See the black printing on the underside? Looks like one of the 3M ones. Also, most construction masks of that shape only have one strap, and generally have a horizontal "ribbed" look that is missing from this one.

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2020-06-07 9:50:18 PM  
5 votes:
Don't want a person who worked hard his entire political career to bring us to this point to have anything to do with us. Romney and his unstinting support of the Republican party is why we're here.

fark Romney, fark McCain, fark Collins, and fark anyone else pretending to be a moderate republican. They're all farking liars. They're perfectly good with what Trump has done, they just don't like the damage to the brand.
 
2020-06-07 9:38:49 PM  
5 votes:

fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.


...Mitt is not a moderate.  Please stop referring to him as such just because he did the bare minimum to combat the batshiat crazy.
 
2020-06-07 9:27:26 PM  
5 votes:
Conservatism needs to go.
 
2020-06-07 9:25:02 PM  
5 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: Original: Original Tweet:
mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX

There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020


Romney is okay by me. Merely okay. Definitely not more. I would shake his hand, not spit in it. The fact that he is heads and shoulders above every other GOP member of congress in courage and decency is telling about the current state of that party.
 
2020-06-07 9:19:24 PM  
5 votes:

mrshowrules: I always said Romney was an asshole.  However, if he keeps doing things like this, it is going to get harder and harder for me to have that opinion.


He either more or less invented "private equity" (vulture capitalism), although it isn't clear why he isn't a billionaire (anybody else with that opportunity would have paid themselves in the billions).  This might be a heel-face turn on the level of Bill Gates.

He has more or less a license to oppose Trump, but this goes far beyond that.  This is entirely unforced and all up to Romney (and possibly how he feels he is living up to his dad's standard).  I'm amazed he is going, and I'm impressed.

More or less the same with the evangelicals marching with him.  They might want to clean up their image of the stench of Trump, but this is far out of the comfort zone and desperately needed (let Trump go ahead and call them antifa.  That's going to go real well).
 
2020-06-07 9:08:52 PM  
5 votes:

Xythero: Dewey Fidalgo: The Mormons have a very racist past.

Don't we all.


This.

We commonly (and rightly) demonize groups for their past, questioning their motives (photo op?) when they do the right thing. But as for us white folks (well, some of us at least), we are finally understanding how much we are individually complicit too. Mostly due to our ignorance and inaction, not malice, but glass houses and all.
 
2020-06-07 9:05:10 PM  
5 votes:
100% personal political calculation, but he makes for an ok frenemy ATM.

/no, at the moment
 
2020-06-07 8:55:08 PM  
5 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


And I suspect the smarter ones get twitchy whenever the president bases his whole platform on bashing an unpopular religion.
 
2020-06-07 8:54:12 PM  
5 votes:
Too much empathy, patch it back to "can imagine himself as a flower."

/seriously though, good for them. Not ever voting (R) again, regardless of his dissenting position.
 
2020-06-07 8:48:59 PM  
5 votes:
If Trump wants to go after Antifa I wonder if it would lead to a I am Sparta movement. Tempted to get a flag for my house, Antifa 5G Station =p
 
2020-06-07 7:30:24 PM  
5 votes:

blender61: If Romney want to take to the street, fine. I don't think he is going to get much cred for doing the absolute minimum.while taking full advantage of the photo op.


Much like Mittens,
I got nothing.

<S>

I joined antifa last month.
Sent in my membership fee, first years dues. and the required registration form.

I should be getting my membership card, t-shirt, bandanna, a signed copy by the head of Antifa of the Anarchist's Cookbook(limited edition with a forward by Gordon Ramsay), secret decoder ring and password to the local clubhouse at the Chucky Cheese down the street in the mail any day now.

They even let me pay in bitcoins.
These guys really have their shait together. They are even renting fleets of buses for our armies to invade  small town America.
We are coming for your dairy Queen biatches.
Our Southern Armies has been instructed to leave the Waffle house out of it.  We need them to be on our side unless it goes nuclear.

</S>


You should have got Soros to pay your Antifa dues, that's what I did. Sucker.
 
2020-06-08 12:07:06 AM  
4 votes:

i ignore u: Jensaarai: Romney knows which way the political winds are blowing. But if you're worried about people falling for it, remember, he's still Mitt Romney. He can't help but hedge every bet. Like how he voted for only one count of impeachment, hedging his hedge. He'll do something to appeal to the racist base in short order. Probably around immigration.

Right, because Mitt Romney has such a history of racism and immigration nuttery.  /eyeroll


We're talking about a man who spent months running against his own healthcare plan, and in his first debate with Obama got the better of him by coming out for the opposite of all of his published policies. Past positions are no indicator of future politics with him. It might not be against immigrants. Maybe he'll go anti-gay. But make no mistake, he'll throw a bone to the bigots. Mitt Romney always hedges.
 
2020-06-07 10:13:22 PM  
4 votes:

Ken S.: Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


It's called Polygamy.
 
2020-06-07 9:56:20 PM  
4 votes:

null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?


No.
 
2020-06-07 9:38:42 PM  
4 votes:

eiger: Bith Set Me Up: "Never Trump" conservatives are nobody's allies. They're people who want all the shiat Trump brings to the table, but don't want the "Trump" label attached to it.

There's also zero evidence they actually influence real-live voters. It's frustrating how much space they get in the media.


Naido: Bith Set Me Up: Naido: scottydoesntknow: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.

The W supporters who used to accuse you of hating god, the country and your mother any time you disagreed with them?  They almost immediately rebranded themselves as tea partiers and acted as if they'd opposed those ideas the entire time.

The Trump fans are going to try to pull something similar.  I just hope they don't get away with it, as they did in 2010, and come back into power almost immediately.

Make sure you keep pics of all of our 'friends' in red hats.  Remember who they are

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Jennifer Rubin, MSNBC's favorite "Never Trumper", wanted arbitrary bans against Muslims long before Trump got the taste for them. In 2011, after the terrorist attacks in Norway, she wanted an immediate ban against Muslims. And even after it was discovered that the perp was an anti-Muslim Christian extremist, she still wanted a ban against Muslims because reasons.

"Never Trump" conservatives are nobody's allies. They're people who want all the shiat Trump brings to the table, but ...


Remember this: Ted Cruz, who was openly shat on by Trump during the 2016 primaries, publicly denounced Trump at the Republican National Convention in July 2016, and yet in September, he still said "He has my vote.".
 
2020-06-07 9:29:44 PM  
4 votes:

Bith Set Me Up: Naido: scottydoesntknow: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.

The W supporters who used to accuse you of hating god, the country and your mother any time you disagreed with them?  They almost immediately rebranded themselves as tea partiers and acted as if they'd opposed those ideas the entire time.

The Trump fans are going to try to pull something similar.  I just hope they don't get away with it, as they did in 2010, and come back into power almost immediately.

Make sure you keep pics of all of our 'friends' in red hats.  Remember who they are

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Jennifer Rubin, MSNBC's favorite "Never Trumper", wanted arbitrary bans against Muslims long before Trump got the taste for them. In 2011, after the terrorist attacks in Norway, she wanted an immediate ban against Muslims. And even after it was discovered that the perp was an anti-Muslim Christian extremist, she still wanted a ban against Muslims because reasons.

"Never Trump" conservatives are nobody's allies. They're people who want all the shiat Trump brings to the table, but don't want the "Trump" label attached to it.


Yes.  They only disapprove of his manners, how he behaves like a boor at the country club
 
2020-06-07 9:29:06 PM  
4 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: The Mormons have a very racist past.


They also know what it's like to be on the wrong side of ethnic cleansing.
 
2020-06-07 9:27:05 PM  
4 votes:
Speaking of 2012 failures, expect Paul Ryan to emerge from his CrossFit chrysalis at some point in Biden's first year. Maybe he'll challenge Johnson for the Senate seat in 2022, maybe he'll parlay his Fox News board position into an on-air gig. He seems to have gotten out just in time to avoid the worst of Trump's stink on him. He'll be 54 in 2024, and I'm sure he's going to make a run at the GOP nomination.
 
2020-06-07 8:59:18 PM  
4 votes:
Good on you Mr. Romney.
 
2020-06-07 11:59:48 PM  
3 votes:

FarkingChas: Do the Mormons have Noah's Ark in their version? The tower of Babel?

According to the Christians:
Long after Cain and Abel, the world was reduced to only Noah and his family. We are all descended from him. One race.
Then the tower of Babel. That is when God created all the different races and languages. So we would separate.

I think I have this right. So Cain and Abel have nothing to do with blacks.


Mormons originally interpreted the Curse, or Mark, of Cain and his descendants to be black skin. They have changed their dogma

/product of an LDS/Catholic home, raised in LDS towns, attended LDS churches and schools, graduated HS and got the hell out
 
2020-06-07 10:36:23 PM  
3 votes:
Looks like someone wants to distance himself real far from the Trumpublican party.

/Don't let it fool you, he still wants all these poors to buy more money.
 
2020-06-07 10:02:30 PM  
3 votes:
...Wait. Mitt Romney has a spine now? (I mean, I know he voted to convict, but I thought that was just him drawing the short straw. This seems actually voluntary.)
 
2020-06-07 9:54:05 PM  
3 votes:

Smackledorfer: Ken S.: And here are Mitt Romney's approval ratings in Utah.
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I am sure it is just a coincidence that 29% strongly approve of Trump and 28% strongly disapprove of Romney

Given that it is a general electorate poll, yes it is probably a coincidence.

Unless you believe 0% of utahns aren't republicans. Hillary got 27.5% there.


And the Independent got just a bit less than that. If Romney and the leadership of the Mormon church endorses Biden dumpy wouldn't have a chance here.

I personally don't like Romney. The way he cut off his staff from the campaign credit cards leaving them stranded. The way he purchased all those fireworks assuming he was going to win. His past in destroying companies to make a dime like the dude in Pretty Woman. Strapping the damn dog to the car roof. Come on, who does that?

Maybe he has been doing some extra praying/soul searching. I'll never vote for him for any position, especially county dog catcher, but I'll give him props if he makes steps to turn Utah blue for even one election. Utah actually was blue not all that long ago, before I transplanted myself here. Maybe in time we will swing blue and stay there.
 
2020-06-07 9:39:40 PM  
3 votes:

Kick The Chair: Mikey1969: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

Yeah, among other religions. Unless you think that racism only arrived with the invention of Mormonism in the mid-1800s. The real difference between the evolution of the Mormon religion and the other mainstream religions is that its so young. All of the rest were "commanded by God" to not be racist, they just did it hundreds of years ago, usually after they'd been doing it for hundreds of years.

Big farking deal, they saw the errors of their ways, 42 years ago. Move the fark on.

"Move the fark on."
- US Park Police while tear gassing protesters


Nice apples and spare tires "comparison". Your comment has absolutely dick to do with the subject at hand, so kindly fark off and try to bait someone else, I find you rather tiresome and you "wit" to be low caliber.
 
2020-06-07 9:33:51 PM  
3 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: Original: Original Tweet:

mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX


There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020


Keep I mind that when that picture was taken,George was still being taught by his church that black people were cursed for being the descendants of Cain: https://theconversation.com/mor​mons-co​nfront-a-history-of-church-racism-9532​8
 
2020-06-07 9:30:55 PM  
3 votes:
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2020-06-07 9:28:59 PM  
3 votes:

Bith Set Me Up: "Never Trump" conservatives are nobody's allies. They're people who want all the shiat Trump brings to the table, but don't want the "Trump" label attached to it.


There's also zero evidence they actually influence real-live voters. It's frustrating how much space they get in the media.
 
2020-06-07 9:13:21 PM  
3 votes:
Romney knows which way the political winds are blowing. But if you're worried about people falling for it, remember, he's still Mitt Romney. He can't help but hedge every bet. Like how he voted for only one count of impeachment, hedging his hedge. He'll do something to appeal to the racist base in short order. Probably around immigration.
 
2020-06-07 9:11:47 PM  
3 votes:

Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.


Yeah, among other religions. Unless you think that racism only arrived with the invention of Mormonism in the mid-1800s. The real difference between the evolution of the Mormon religion and the other mainstream religions is that its so young. All of the rest were "commanded by God" to not be racist, they just did it hundreds of years ago, usually after they'd been doing it for hundreds of years.

Big farking deal, they saw the errors of their ways, 42 years ago. Move the fark on.
 
2020-06-07 9:09:21 PM  
3 votes:

shastacola: The Trump family, dripping with class as usual:

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Everyone of his tweets translates to "WHY WON'T YOU HUG ME, DADDY?!"
 
2020-06-07 9:08:41 PM  
3 votes:

schnee: Yeah. Maybe he'd have more impact if he stopped caucusing with MoscowMitch


And therein lies the problem with the Republican party recruiting Rmoney to replace Bunker biatch on the GOP ticket.

Rmoney may have stood up to him, but no one else in the party did (except Amash). So, if the GOP selects Rmoney as their nominee, will the other Republicans suddenly no longer be beholden to whatever powers compromised them into obeying Bunker biatch at every turn? Will they suddenly be as free from blackmail as Blanche is now that he's out of the closet?

I don't think voters are going to forget how compliant every Republican was/is.

Nor are the people who hold the kompromat on every Republican.
 
2020-06-07 9:07:16 PM  
3 votes:

dv-ous: Dewey Fidalgo: shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.

I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.

To be fair (to be faaaaaaiiiiiir) US involvement in Vietnam was a product of two democratic presidential administrations.


Right around when the Dems and Repubs swapped ideologies. So, yeah, good point, I guess?
 
2020-06-07 9:01:24 PM  
3 votes:

ox45tallboy: "It matters to me. I may not make an honest buck, but I'm 100% American. I don't work for no two-bit Nazi."


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2020-06-07 8:48:44 PM  
3 votes:
He could be a really good guy if he could shake off more of his GOP stink
 
2020-06-07 8:46:53 PM  
3 votes:

Ken S.: The latest approval poll for Trump in Utah done prior to his epic march on the church for the photo opp.
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Remember how conservative Utah is when you look at those numbers. Character does matter to them.



Worth considering that those that disapprove of how he's doing could also include people who don't think he's being tyrannical enough and are simply disappointed that he hasn't ordered carpet bombing of major city centers yet.


As for MItt, Let's see how his actions over the next few weeks stack up. I'm far too cynical to take public displays at face value...
=Smidge=
 
2020-06-07 7:56:41 PM  
3 votes:

Cagey B: Glad to see he's slumming it so graciously on behalf of the 47% of Americans who will never vote for him because they're too busy gobbling up free stuff.

He gets partial credit for doing his minimum duty and voting for one of two articles of impeachment. Beyond that, one march does not get him off the hook for being one of the many figures that enabled the Republican Party to turn into the openly fascist cesspit it is today.


Nor does it excuse thecGOP itself.
 
2020-06-07 7:17:17 PM  
3 votes:

shastacola: kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him

Joe Biden won't run in 2024, that's why his VP pick is so important.


I hope you're right.
 
2020-06-08 10:30:14 AM  
2 votes:

Unobtanium: I want to see some fresh polling after Trump's walk to the photo op. White Evangelicals skew older. Baby boomers. People who, or whose friends, may have protested Viet Nam or remember Kent State, because they were in college, too.

Trump probably lost some of them when he waved "a Bible" around as a prop in front of a church. Yes, they should never have supported him. But I'll take what I can get right now, especially if it also does cost the Republicans the Senate.

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Chart source.


Unaffiliated doesn't mean religious or not religious nor does Jewish. Not really helpful. I would Group spiritual with religious but not atheist. Most of my Jewish friends are atheists despite Jewish being a religion as well.
 
2020-06-08 6:27:05 AM  
2 votes:

Tarl3k: GreatGlavinsGhost: Original: Original Tweet:

mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX


There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020

Keep I mind that when that picture was taken,George was still being taught by his church that black people were cursed for being the descendants of Cain: https://theconversation.com/morm​ons-confront-a-history-of-church-racis​m-95328


I'm starting to notice that when it comes to understanding marginalized populations, the GOP tend to go full cargo cult.
 
2020-06-08 2:41:59 AM  
2 votes:

shastacola: There's always the possibility that if Trump starts smelling like he's going to lose that he decides not to go through with the election. He's got an out of control ego, losing isn't an option. He'll make some lame excuse like his business empire needs him and he's decided he's done presidentin' after saving the world from Obama.


He would immediately be arrested on federal charges. Even if he worked out a deal with Barr to avoid federal charges, the NY AG is waiting for him with state charges, which Barr can't hand-wave away.  If #BenedictDonald loses the election, he's screwed.  That's why, I think, he recently installed loyalists as both Postmaster General and the head of the USPS retirement fund. He plans to loot the latter while the former looks askance, declare the USPS broke, and therefore, unable to handle a high volume of mail-in ballots.  Then, RU & their GOP partner can cheat in the ways they've been planning to in order to win the election.
 
2020-06-08 1:05:31 AM  
2 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


I'm late to the thread.

My mother was LDS and my father was Catholic.  Early in their marriage they argued about religion but after a few years of bickering decided it was either religion or marriage and essentially quit going to church.  They allowed us kids to attend any church we desired; however we always lived in small NE AZ towns that were predominantly LDS.

What you see in a lot of those small SE AZ municipalities is 2 towns next to each other, one entirely LDS and the other everyone else, as LDS people used to not allow non-LDS people to own or rent property within their town limits.  They can be very clannish.

There are definitely different interpretations of the LDS religion; case in point the polygamous FLDS offshoot in Arizona City/Short Creek.  While the church has formally disavowed polygamy, (and they only gave it up as abolishing polygamy was a requirement for statehood; then the polygamists just moved down to the AZ territory or MX) most LDS acknowledge that it is still a church tenet and it is a feature of LDS heaven, i.e., a man can have numerous marriages, be sealed to each wife in the LDS temple on earth and expect to hook up with all of them in LDS heaven  My BIL had 3 grandmothers...at the same time...in the state of AZ.

My LDS sister proudly voted for Drumpf in 2016.  She's not posting "Pray for Trump" memes on FB anymore, but today was forwarding some shiat about how "George Floyd's death has been exploited to kill more Black Americans primarily by the hypocrites carrying BLM signs".  *sigh*  I'm sure she will just ignore Romney's overture.

Meanwhile, This black AZ legislator calls BLM a terrorist organization
He lives in Snowflake AZ, one of the towns I lived in that did not allow non-LDS people to reside within town limits.  I'm quite sure he is LDS.  (Hey, ecmo, get a load of this guy!).  What I found amusing is several of the idiots commenting on the article took umbrage with the author calling the guy the "Snowflake representative", assuming he was calling him a "snowflake".  LOL!

So, while Mormons may loathe Drumpf, they equate the looting with the protests and blame BLM.  They are getting their talking points coordinated regarding the protests.  Also I do not know one who does not fervently want to repeal Roe v Wade, so I fully expect them to suck up their distaste and vote for the GOP platform.  Maybe they are more evolved up in UT.  I hope so.
 
2020-06-08 1:00:42 AM  
2 votes:

mactheknife: Anyone else REALLY wanting Romney to make a maverick, third party run in 2020, just to help Biden get elected?


But ... That will kill Biden instead, The Cult will NOT abandon Trump. Many may abandon Biden to show their dissatisfaction.
 
2020-06-07 11:59:49 PM  
2 votes:

shastacola: The Trump family, dripping with class as usual:

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Ivana should have swallowed the loads that mad Jr., Eric, and Ivanka.

Or gotten abortions.
 
2020-06-07 11:36:15 PM  
2 votes:

JAGChem82: Anonymous Bosch: Mitt Romney can tell the way the wind is blowing and wants to run for President in 2024. Yawn.

Problems:

1. He'll be 77 in 2024 (and yeah Biden is 78, I know, but this is a fluke).

2. R's aren't getting anymore "moderate" anytime soon. They got a good taste of Trumpism for the past 4 years, and you don't quit that cold turkey.

3. Romney is and will be a RINO to the base.

Odds are in 2024 they run someone like Cotton who is an articulate version of Trump who can give them 95% of the MAGA agenda but won't be a public embarrassment on the world stage.


Romney wants to be a statesman. As high up as he can get. That's it.

He's in the Senate. There's no way he's not eyeing the big chair regardless his age. But I'm sure he'll be happy to usher (lead) in a post-McConnell Senate.

There's something about an athlete that loses big, but shows up again at next years tournament.
Don't underestimate the guy that knows how to get back up.

Romney needs a lot of things to go right around him for him to make his play, but he aint missing the opportunity should it happen.
 
2020-06-07 11:28:18 PM  
2 votes:

Anonymous Bosch: Mitt Romney can tell the way the wind is blowing and wants to run for President in 2024. Yawn.


Problems:

1. He'll be 77 in 2024 (and yeah Biden is 78, I know, but this is a fluke).

2. R's aren't getting anymore "moderate" anytime soon. They got a good taste of Trumpism for the past 4 years, and you don't quit that cold turkey.

3. Romney is and will be a RINO to the base.

Odds are in 2024 they run someone like Cotton who is an articulate version of Trump who can give them 95% of the MAGA agenda but won't be a public embarrassment on the world stage.
 
2020-06-07 11:21:59 PM  
2 votes:
Mitt Romney can tell the way the wind is blowing and wants to run for President in 2024. Yawn.
 
2020-06-07 10:05:00 PM  
2 votes:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


Romney also voted to impeach. He may be an asshole, but he's consistent.
 
2020-06-07 9:58:47 PM  
2 votes:
Which I gotta say I really respect the no-shopping bit.

As a former waiter it was infuriating when some of the more religious folk would tell me I shouldn't be working on Sundays. They just assumed I was Christian, of course. There was one awesome group religious people who never judged, weren't all snippy, and were pretty progressive (I'd overhear them talking about civil rights and being on the correct side of it). Still a mediocre tip but friendly as hell.
 
2020-06-07 9:54:37 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Actually, I realized the truly significant thing about this, just in case people really think he's doing this just for a photo op.

It's Sunday.

The Mormon "rest on the Sabbath" thing even means that they aren't supposed to go to the grocery store. When they're not at church, they're supposed to be at home with family, not working in any way. It's why you see so many businesses closed on Sunday here, it's not just because the owners or clients are Mormon, some places just don't see the business when a large chunk of your customers aren't allowed to patronize your business one day of the week.

Yet, Mitt decided that it was worth a potential "talking to" by church leadership.


Mormons aren't supposed to work on Sunday. They can recreate. They also have a policy of "some tasks need to be done on Sundays, and it isn't fair to non-mormons and coworkers to force them all to carry the burden on this days"

Which is where the no-shopping part comes in: shopping on Sundays encouraged more businesses to be open on them, thus influences more people to disregard the Sabbath.

Afaik, and my internetting backs up what my mormon co-workers tell me, the decision is largely up to the individual, and Mormons are allowed to balance their own needs against the guideline.

Of course, a public figure like Romney might well be told he's supposed to set a better example.
 
2020-06-07 9:38:43 PM  
2 votes:
Why do I feel skeptical about this?
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2020-06-07 9:34:33 PM  
2 votes:

Naido: scottydoesntknow: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

It's no longer Republican v Democrat. It's America v Trumpland. I'll never forget how most of the Republican Party sold their soul for Trump, and will be happy to remind them, but anyone willing to publicly break away and sway a few more votes is someone I'll take right now. My enemy's enemy, and Trump has made a lot of enemies among the Republican Party.

The W supporters who used to accuse you of hating god, the country and your mother any time you disagreed with them?  They almost immediately rebranded themselves as tea partiers and acted as if they'd opposed those ideas the entire time.

The Trump fans are going to try to pull something similar.  I just hope they don't get away with it, as they did in 2010, and come back into power almost immediately.

Make sure you keep pics of all of our 'friends' in red hats.  Remember who they are


I deleted everyone I had as friends on FB.  Then I disabled the account.  As the election gets closer you'll see folks posting things that they'd never say to your face.  I opted out of that shiat show.
 
2020-06-07 9:26:36 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

Yeah, among other religions. Unless you think that racism only arrived with the invention of Mormonism in the mid-1800s. The real difference between the evolution of the Mormon religion and the other mainstream religions is that its so young. All of the rest were "commanded by God" to not be racist, they just did it hundreds of years ago, usually after they'd been doing it for hundreds of years.

Big farking deal, they saw the errors of their ways, 42 years ago. Move the fark on.


"Move the fark on."
- US Park Police while tear gassing protesters
 
2020-06-07 9:24:20 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


Romney won't run as an independent.
 
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2020-06-07 9:19:08 PM  
2 votes:

yukichigai: scottydoesntknow: Mittens was the only "republican" willing to vote to have Trump removed. He's essentially an independent now. Only reason he hasn't been excommunicated by them is because he holds a lot of sway in Utah.

I think ol' Mittens has been positioning himself to become the leader of whatever life raft of sanity escapes the Republican ship when it finally goes down, assuming the ship can't be saved by jettisoning the dead weight. Cynical calculation or not, we need someone to do that if we're going to make it through this intact as a country, and I'm not seeing much in the way of other good candidates out there for the job, not since McCain died and the rest with his ethics were primaried out by hardliners.


Agreed. He's got good reasons to be anti-Trump above and beyond personal animosity.

If Trump loses, Mitt could easily be the nominee in 2024. If McConnell loses his seat or just the support of the rest of the Republican senate, Mitt might be able to snag the party leader position away from him.

And if Trump and Mitt both win, well, Mitt gets to be the new McCain.
 
2020-06-07 9:16:52 PM  
2 votes:

Pinner: Three Crooked Squirrels: kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him

Joe Biden ain't running in 2024 if he doesn't win in 2020.

Assuming he wins in 2020, I personally doubt he'll run in 2024 anyway.

But even if he does, you are calling the race before we know what 4 years of a Biden presidency looks like?

We have found Nostradamus.

Biden will barely make it to 3 years without becoming a bumbling forgetful old man. His VP pick better be up front and busy from day 1 and ready to take the wheel.


She will.
 
2020-06-07 9:16:06 PM  
2 votes:

austerity101: This is certainly a good thing, as it portends shifts toward progressivism.

That said, Romney has massive influence and money, and his response needs to be proportional to that.  Joining a march is great, but that's enough for, like, a casual racist in a small town with no money to do to balance the scales.  Romney has a lot of things to answer for, especially when it comes to communities of color and the queer community, before he's "one of us."

tl;dr:  acknowledge this as a good thing, but don't go sucking his dick just yet.

Ken S.: Remember how conservative Utah is when you look at those numbers. Character does matter to them.

Character doesn't matter that much--niceness does.  Mormons are racist, queerphobic, megalomaniacal monsters; they're just super polite about it.


So... they're like Canadians?
 
2020-06-07 9:16:00 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: Smackledorfer: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

I don't hate this at all.

Romney may have ethics, he may just be pandering. But part of dragging people kicking and screaming into the century of the fruitbat is allowing them breathing room to fake it till they make it. When the oldest generation is 99% on board or faking it, the youngest generation won't have the hate passed down.

Maybe my grandpa was racist as fark. If he hid is to theoretically satisfy my father to be allowed to see me, mission accomplished.

You had me up until century of the fruitbat


If you're confused rather than disapproving, it's a reference to the English fantasy author Terry Pratchett and his Discworld novels.
 
2020-06-07 9:12:01 PM  
2 votes:
Ok so Romney is going to be the model of what's left of the GOP. I still dislike him but he's been pretty malleable in the past to be more progressive when poll numbers show it's best to be.
 
2020-06-07 9:07:38 PM  
2 votes:
Good on him! No snark.
 
2020-06-07 6:57:57 PM  
2 votes:
Well, time to make my shiat post and then flee from the thread.

Mitt Romney has officially done more directly for BLM than democrat leadership. And that's sad.

Anyway, bye y'all! Have this video of Mitt Romney being uncomfortably white again!
Mitt Romney - Who Let the Dogs Out?
Youtube FDwwAaVmnf4
 
2020-06-08 6:24:42 AM  
1 vote:

Kick The Chair: Mikey1969: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

Yeah, among other religions. Unless you think that racism only arrived with the invention of Mormonism in the mid-1800s. The real difference between the evolution of the Mormon religion and the other mainstream religions is that its so young. All of the rest were "commanded by God" to not be racist, they just did it hundreds of years ago, usually after they'd been doing it for hundreds of years.

Big farking deal, they saw the errors of their ways, 42 years ago. Move the fark on.

"Move the fark on."
- US Park Police while tear gassing protesters


In a few weeks we're going to find out that it really wasn't the US Park police behind the teargas and rubber bullets.

Just watch.
 
2020-06-08 1:11:34 AM  
1 vote:

4seasons85!: null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?

I'm in Texas and ill do my part. I dont expect it will go blue. But I think we will be close to purple.


I hate the fact that this needs to he thought about so strategically, but the harder they have to fight to keep Texas, the less resources they'll have for the other states. Sadly, that's also true for Biden, but sometimes you just gotta roll a hard six.
 
2020-06-08 12:49:44 AM  
1 vote:

null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?


I like songs about Texas.

I'm dreaming of a blue Texas
Just like the one we used to know..


Well, maybe not that one, but a new blue Texas.

There's a blue, blue rose of Texas
That y'all will finally see
The GOP don't know her
November, they will see
 
2020-06-08 12:32:46 AM  
1 vote:
God changed his mind about black people in 1978 according to LDS, so this makes sense.
 
2020-06-07 11:37:36 PM  
1 vote:
Remember a few years ago there was the photo with Romney and Trump having dinner together. Romney was looking directly in the camera with regret in his face? I think he realized he might have sold his soul to the devil. I think he is trying to repent a little bit. How long will he do that? I have no idea.

/I think him marching in genuine.
//Still not sure if he is a good person or not.
 
2020-06-07 11:28:18 PM  
1 vote:

FarkingChas: Do the Mormons have Noah's Ark in their version? The tower of Babel?

According to the Christians:
Long after Cain and Abel, the world was reduced to only Noah and his family. We are all descended from him. One race.
Then the tower of Babel. That is when God created all the different races and languages. So we would separate.

I think I have this right. So Cain and Abel have nothing to do with blacks.


I know the Christian version of events are quite brief compared to the Jewish ones. Like Cain and Able weren't the first kids, that there were many many before them (thus the ability for Cain to find a wife and have his own line).

I mean, we're talking about fairy tales from the farking BRONZE AGE so I wouldn't put too much thought into it.
 
2020-06-07 11:22:22 PM  
1 vote:

shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.


I'll wait to see Mitt's tax return before I agree his father would be proud of him.
 
2020-06-07 11:18:04 PM  
1 vote:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


You had me until the last sentence.
 
2020-06-07 11:04:06 PM  
1 vote:
Why are people shocked? This is the man who invented Obamacare, after all.
 
2020-06-07 10:43:20 PM  
1 vote:

JAGChem82: Lastly, and I think someone covered this, R's would be wise not to crap on Romney too much: going back to the LDS thing, if they take too many digs at their guy, they may decide to vote for Biden out of disgust.


Utah is so red that if you split the R vote down the middle, the D will come in third.
 
2020-06-07 10:37:48 PM  
1 vote:

shastacola: kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him

Joe Biden won't run in 2024, that's why his VP pick is so important.


======================================​=======================

A) Yes, Joe Biden is not running in 2024.  He's a stopgap.  The VP choice is crucial.
B) Joe Biden hasn't even won this election and we're already counting him out of the next one?  Not even going to give him a chance to implement 4 years of putting out fires?
C) Republicans are not going to run a moderate.  They're way too far gone to ever consider someone like Mitt.  Mitt is the scum of the universe to most republicans.  He'd never get the nomination.  (Unless Trump is thoroughly and undeniably trounced and the GOP turns back towards some amount of decency, but I'm doubting that)

Also, keep in mind, Mitt is not young.  In 4 years, he'll be the same age Biden is now.
 
2020-06-07 10:15:45 PM  
1 vote:
He's not the total piece of shiat I thought him to be. Only mostly shiat, but goddamn it, credit where credit is due. Really holds up our ideals as Americans, the dollar is first but then Nazi scum need to fark off.
 
2020-06-07 10:11:15 PM  
1 vote:

null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?


I was at a area march here in west Houston today.  About 500 people.  I spotted a former GOP precinct captain and the HS football coach, among many others.
 
2020-06-07 10:11:07 PM  
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Xythero: Dewey Fidalgo: The Mormons have a very racist past.

Don't we all.


There is a saying. There always is.

Nobody comes to the table with clean hands.

History is a baitch.
It's how we deal with her in the here and now that is at issue.
 
2020-06-07 10:07:23 PM  
1 vote:

Harlee: Tr0mBoNe: I can't make fun of his actions so I'll make fun of his mask. He had all this time and the best he could come up with was a cheap construction style mask? Shameful coming from a household that likely has more quilts than members.

That's an N-95 mask. I've still got several just like it. See the black printing on the underside? Looks like one of the 3M ones. Also, most construction masks of that shape only have one strap, and generally have a horizontal "ribbed" look that is missing from this one.

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To be fair, the ribbed model suggests attention to a subservient female's wants or needs - which is antithesis to the whole of Mormon theologies.
 
2020-06-07 10:01:34 PM  
1 vote:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: MattytheMouse: Time to post my all time favorite video of Mitt Romney again!
[YouTube video: Mitt Romney - Who Let the Dogs Out?]

I loved the Psy Gangnam Style parody.


Me too.

Mitt Romney Style (Gangnam Style Parody)
Youtube yTCRwi71_ns


/heyyyy wealthy ladies...
 
2020-06-07 9:57:19 PM  
1 vote:

Tarl3k: GreatGlavinsGhost: Original: Original Tweet:
mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX

There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020

Keep I mind that when that picture was taken,George was still being taught by his church that black people were cursed for being the descendants of Cain: https://theconversation.com/morm​ons-confront-a-history-of-church-racis​m-95328


There's the problem of finding any cases where George let his religion's particular beliefs influence his actions in his governorship, tho.  Kinda made a point of not doing it like JFK.
 
2020-06-07 9:55:19 PM  
1 vote:

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Don't want a person who worked hard his entire political career to bring us to this point to have anything to do with us. Romney and his unstinting support of the Republican party is why we're here.

fark Romney, fark McCain, fark Collins, and fark anyone else pretending to be a moderate republican. They're all farking liars. They're perfectly good with what Trump has done, they just don't like the damage to the brand.


"Purity testing" = Having some sense of standards and expectations.
 
2020-06-07 9:48:57 PM  
1 vote:

shastacola: The Trump family, dripping with class as usual:

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oh yah Dipshiat jr is really trying to play it off like he and his dementia ridden heffa father are totally unbothered by this.
 
2020-06-07 9:39:27 PM  
1 vote:

maxwellton: Why do I feel skeptical about this?
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3.5 years is enough to be disgusted by Trump
 
2020-06-07 9:33:08 PM  
1 vote:

Weird Hal: Conservatism needs to go.


Preferably #2
 
2020-06-07 9:32:47 PM  
1 vote:

Trainspotr: Speaking of 2012 failures, expect Paul Ryan to emerge from his CrossFit chrysalis at some point in Biden's first year. Maybe he'll challenge Johnson for the Senate seat in 2022, maybe he'll parlay his Fox News board position into an on-air gig. He seems to have gotten out just in time to avoid the worst of Trump's stink on him. He'll be 54 in 2024, and I'm sure he's going to make a run at the GOP nomination.


Depends on how it all shakes out, though I expect him to take a run at Governor in 2022 to set himself up for 2024 or 2028.
 
2020-06-07 9:30:44 PM  
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Smackledorfer: Ken S.: And here are Mitt Romney's approval ratings in Utah.
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I am sure it is just a coincidence that 29% strongly approve of Trump and 28% strongly disapprove of Romney

Given that it is a general electorate poll, yes it is probably a coincidence.

Unless you believe 0% of utahns aren't republicans. Hillary got 27.5% there.


How much did McMullin get?

Now add those two together.
 
2020-06-07 9:28:42 PM  
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Coco LaFemme: dv-ous: Dewey Fidalgo: shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.

I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.

To be fair (to be faaaaaaiiiiiir) US involvement in Vietnam was a product of two democratic presidential administrations.

Eh, not so much. We first sent military advisors there in 1947 and our last troops left in 1975. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford. Three Democrats, three Republicans. Now, I will agree that our involvement ramped up under LBJ, but Nixon wasn't exactly keen to slow it down. If anything, his choice to spread the war outward to Cambodia and Laos inspired Kent State and a myriad of other protests in this country in 1969, 1970, and 1971.

As a matter of historical "what if", Kennedy discussed pulling our troops out of Vietnam sometime in 1964, if not in late 1963, but, well, he had to go to Texas.


So you agree that Vietnam was a product of Democratic meddling. Good.
 
2020-06-07 9:27:03 PM  
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MattytheMouse: Time to post my all time favorite video of Mitt Romney again!
[YouTube video: Mitt Romney - Who Let the Dogs Out?]


I loved the Psy Gangnam Style parody.
 
2020-06-07 9:24:53 PM  
1 vote:

BDR459: ox45tallboy: This assshair made his living buying companies and looting their pension funds for his own pocket and tossing the employees to the street to live off the government teat. Fark his sense of morality.

Having said that, I'm reminded of Eddie Valentine (Paul Sorvino) from The Rocketeer:

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"It matters to me. I may not make an honest buck, but I'm 100% American. I don't work for no two-bit Nazi."

That, and I think many are starting to realize that Fascism is just as much of a threat to Capitalism as it is to Democratic Socialism.

I think I've seen you in the maddow daily threads. Is there a weekend thread? I can't seem to locate it.

/ignore this if I'm mistaken
//if I am. I apologize
///three because I can


I'm in the Maddow threads a bit.

I did post something similar to this on the Twatter earlier.
 
2020-06-07 9:24:41 PM  
1 vote:

MattytheMouse: Well, time to make my shiat post and then flee from the thread.


Man, don't do that. Have the courage of your convictions. If you believe in something, follow it through.

I've posted some amount of crap on Fark in my time here, I've also done a lot of drunk-Farking, to the point that one of the first thoughts that crosses my mind when my brain fully boots up in the morning is sometimes, "what the hell did I post on the internet last night?"

But, to a point, you should always be able to defend any arguments you make. For me, that point is when you end up in stupid cyclical arguments with sealions or other posters who are not arguing in good faith.

I mean, to simply come out and say, "here's my poo, enjoy it, I'm outta here"... what are you? A man, or a mouse?

/Oh.
//;D
 
2020-06-07 9:24:39 PM  
1 vote:

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


I always thought of him as a corporate shiat, but, I never even questioned that once he had his, the rest wouls go to America. 

He realized he's not getting his

Cagey B: Glad to see he's slumming it so graciously on behalf of the 47% of Americans who will never vote for him because they're too busy gobbling up free stuff.

He gets partial credit for doing his minimum duty and voting for one of two articles of impeachment. Beyond that, one march does not get him off the hook for being one of the many figures that enabled the Republican Party to turn into the openly fascist cesspit it is today.


Rarely do we talk about partial credit, but in politics we really kinda should. Romney is kind of a bad person, but he's led some nazis away from trump and presented a sane* alternative. That's far more that other nazis have done and deserves some notice.

*where sane mostly means "won't light the country on fire in a literal way"
 
2020-06-07 9:23:28 PM  
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2020-06-07 9:19:30 PM  
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KonaDude: My dad, a Vietnam vet and a life long liberal, always told me the civil rights protests in the 60s became truly empowered once older white guys in ties starting marching with the protesters. Is that good? Probably not, but it always stuck with me, and I couldn't help think about it when I saw this.


Yep. When Nixon saw that he even lost the Hard Hats after what happened at Kent State, he knew it was Game Over.
 
2020-06-07 9:12:36 PM  
1 vote:

dababler: Notabunny: I disagree with Mittens on almost everything, but this is how a leader acts

perfectly said


At least you can disagree with him while recognizing when he does the right thing.
 
2020-06-07 9:12:17 PM  
1 vote:

blender61: If Romney want to take to the street, fine. I don't think he is going to get much cred for doing the absolute minimum.while taking full advantage of the photo op.


Much like Mittens,
I got nothing.

<S>

I joined antifa last month.
Sent in my membership fee, first years dues. and the required registration form.

I should be getting my membership card, t-shirt, bandanna, a signed copy by the head of Antifa of the Anarchist's Cookbook(limited edition with a forward by Gordon Ramsay), secret decoder ring and password to the local clubhouse at the Chucky Cheese down the street in the mail any day now.

They even let me pay in bitcoins.
These guys really have their shait together. They are even renting fleets of buses for our armies to invade  small town America.
We are coming for your dairy Queen biatches.
Our Southern Armies has been instructed to leave the Waffle house out of it.  We need them to be on our side unless it goes nuclear.

</S>


This is glorious.
 
2020-06-07 9:11:42 PM  
1 vote:

ElwoodCuse: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

I believeeeeeee that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people


That is such an amazing show.
 
2020-06-07 9:09:50 PM  
1 vote:

HallsOfMandos: It never ends well when you give an AI an empathy chip.


You'd be surprised, Data. Feelings do funny things. You may even learn to understand your evil brother. To forgive him. We will be more alike, Data, you and I. You'll see. I'm happy for you.
 
2020-06-07 9:08:45 PM  
1 vote:

kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him


I don't think Joe will run in 2024 even if he runs this year.
 
2020-06-07 9:05:29 PM  
1 vote:

Ken S.: And here are Mitt Romney's approval ratings in Utah.
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I am sure it is just a coincidence that 29% strongly approve of Trump and 28% strongly disapprove of Romney


It's 22, not 29.

Either way, yes, it's a coincidence.
 
2020-06-07 8:59:46 PM  
1 vote:
Somebody is trying to get the write-in vote.
 
2020-06-07 8:49:45 PM  
1 vote:
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2020-06-07 8:49:30 PM  
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Coco LaFemme: dv-ous: Dewey Fidalgo: shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.

I sometimes forget that George Romney was Mitt's dad.   I was young, but even then I remember he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War.

Yes, kids, once upon a time, there were Republicans who weren't bugfark nuts.

To be fair (to be faaaaaaiiiiiir) US involvement in Vietnam was a product of two democratic presidential administrations.

Eh, not so much. We first sent military advisors there in 1947 and our last troops left in 1975. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford. Three Democrats, three Republicans. Now, I will agree that our involvement ramped up under LBJ, but Nixon wasn't exactly keen to slow it down. If anything, his choice to spread the war outward to Cambodia and Laos inspired Kent State and a myriad of other protests in this country in 1969, 1970, and 1971.

As a matter of historical "what if", Kennedy discussed pulling our troops out of Vietnam sometime in 1964, if not in late 1963, but, well, he had to go to Texas.


This.  Colonialism enjoys massive bipartisan support among elected officials for reasons that should be obvious.
 
2020-06-07 8:47:42 PM  
1 vote:

kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him


Why not? All Biden would have to do is point out how the R's willingly gave themselves to Trump overnight. There's no shortage of evidence.
 
2020-06-07 8:44:18 PM  
1 vote:

Ken S.: And here are Mitt Romney's approval ratings in Utah.
[Fark user image image 425x239]
I am sure it is just a coincidence that 29% strongly approve of Trump and 28% strongly disapprove of Romney


Given that it is a general electorate poll, yes it is probably a coincidence.

Unless you believe 0% of utahns aren't republicans. Hillary got 27.5% there.
 
2020-06-07 7:26:07 PM  
1 vote:
If Romney want to take to the street, fine. I don't think he is going to get much cred for doing the absolute minimum.while taking full advantage of the photo op.


Much like Mittens,
I got nothing.

<S>

I joined antifa last month.
Sent in my membership fee, first years dues. and the required registration form.

I should be getting my membership card, t-shirt, bandanna, a signed copy by the head of Antifa of the Anarchist's Cookbook(limited edition with a forward by Gordon Ramsay), secret decoder ring and password to the local clubhouse at the Chucky Cheese down the street in the mail any day now.

They even let me pay in bitcoins.
These guys really have their shait together. They are even renting fleets of buses for our armies to invade  small town America.
We are coming for your dairy Queen biatches.
Our Southern Armies has been instructed to leave the Waffle house out of it.  We need them to be on our side unless it goes nuclear.

</S>
 
2020-06-07 7:23:33 PM  
1 vote:
The Trump family, dripping with class as usual:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-06-07 6:58:49 PM  
1 vote:
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2020-06-07 6:54:33 PM  
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fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them


Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him
 
2020-06-07 6:39:09 PM  
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I can't make fun of his actions so I'll make fun of his mask. He had all this time and the best he could come up with was a cheap construction style mask? Shameful coming from a household that likely has more quilts than members.
 
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