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2020-06-07 10:18:51 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Is it too late to mention I'm a liberal and then pat myself on the back for acknowledging Romney did a good thing?


Nope. Join the party!
 
2020-06-07 10:26:38 PM  

Smackledorfer: Mikey1969: Actually, I realized the truly significant thing about this, just in case people really think he's doing this just for a photo op.

It's Sunday.

The Mormon "rest on the Sabbath" thing even means that they aren't supposed to go to the grocery store. When they're not at church, they're supposed to be at home with family, not working in any way. It's why you see so many businesses closed on Sunday here, it's not just because the owners or clients are Mormon, some places just don't see the business when a large chunk of your customers aren't allowed to patronize your business one day of the week.

Yet, Mitt decided that it was worth a potential "talking to" by church leadership.

Mormons aren't supposed to work on Sunday. They can recreate. They also have a policy of "some tasks need to be done on Sundays, and it isn't fair to non-mormons and coworkers to force them all to carry the burden on this days"

Which is where the no-shopping part comes in: shopping on Sundays encouraged more businesses to be open on them, thus influences more people to disregard the Sabbath.

Afaik, and my internetting backs up what my mormon co-workers tell me, the decision is largely up to the individual, and Mormons are allowed to balance their own needs against the guideline.

Of course, a public figure like Romney might well be told he's supposed to set a better example.


Nope. I grew up Mormon. You were able to go to church and then hang at home, like I mentioned. Police and Fire, doctors and nurses were allowed to do their jobs, just like you mention. But we weren't allowed to "recreate" any more than paying at home. We couldn't go to the lake or go skiing. We couldn't go to the circus, the water park, the amusement park, etc...

And Romney's job would only be one of the essential jobs of there was some kind of emergency that resulted in in the Senate being called in on a Sunday. It's also evident in how much of a ghost town Salt Lake can be on a Sunday. Kids like to walk to and from church because they can play a little along the way. Like I say, this was direct experience, and wasn't just confined to my family, or the town I lived in as a kid. I saw the same thing when we would come to Utah to visit family, and from other families as well.
 
2020-06-07 10:27:51 PM  
Yeah, okay. I'd have a beer with him..

Coffee...

WTF could I have a drink of with Mitt? A glass of cool water? Whatever he prefers...
 
2020-06-07 10:29:55 PM  
Romney knows the GOP has lost their way and a reckoning /extinction level event is awaiting it.

Everything he's done has isolated himself and a few others from the rest scourge and is probably hoping of being someone who can revive the party after the purge into something which has a least a shred of decency and humanity.

That said, good of him to do the right  thing.
 
2020-06-07 10:32:04 PM  

Mikey1969: Smackledorfer: Mikey1969: Actually, I realized the truly significant thing about this, just in case people really think he's doing this just for a photo op.

It's Sunday.

The Mormon "rest on the Sabbath" thing even means that they aren't supposed to go to the grocery store. When they're not at church, they're supposed to be at home with family, not working in any way. It's why you see so many businesses closed on Sunday here, it's not just because the owners or clients are Mormon, some places just don't see the business when a large chunk of your customers aren't allowed to patronize your business one day of the week.

Yet, Mitt decided that it was worth a potential "talking to" by church leadership.

Mormons aren't supposed to work on Sunday. They can recreate. They also have a policy of "some tasks need to be done on Sundays, and it isn't fair to non-mormons and coworkers to force them all to carry the burden on this days"

Which is where the no-shopping part comes in: shopping on Sundays encouraged more businesses to be open on them, thus influences more people to disregard the Sabbath.

Afaik, and my internetting backs up what my mormon co-workers tell me, the decision is largely up to the individual, and Mormons are allowed to balance their own needs against the guideline.

Of course, a public figure like Romney might well be told he's supposed to set a better example.

Nope. I grew up Mormon. You were able to go to church and then hang at home, like I mentioned. Police and Fire, doctors and nurses were allowed to do their jobs, just like you mention. But we weren't allowed to "recreate" any more than paying at home. We couldn't go to the lake or go skiing. We couldn't go to the circus, the water park, the amusement park, etc...

And Romney's job would only be one of the essential jobs of there was some kind of emergency that resulted in in the Senate being called in on a Sunday. It's also evident in how much of a ghost town Salt Lake can be on a Sunday. Kids like to walk to and from church because they can play a little along the way. Like I say, this was direct experience, and wasn't just confined to my family, or the town I lived in as a kid. I saw the same thing when we would come to Utah to visit family, and from other families as well.


Hmm, wonder if it's changed or if the church isn't 100% consistent across the country.

/Shrug
 
2020-06-07 10:33:32 PM  

calufrax: Yeah, okay. I'd have a beer with him..

Coffee...

WTF could I have a drink of with Mitt? A glass of cool water? Whatever he prefers...


Cognac, probably.
 
2020-06-07 10:34:31 PM  

Mikey1969: Smackledorfer: Mikey1969: Actually, I realized the truly significant thing about this, just in case people really think he's doing this just for a photo op.

It's Sunday.

The Mormon "rest on the Sabbath" thing even means that they aren't supposed to go to the grocery store. When they're not at church, they're supposed to be at home with family, not working in any way. It's why you see so many businesses closed on Sunday here, it's not just because the owners or clients are Mormon, some places just don't see the business when a large chunk of your customers aren't allowed to patronize your business one day of the week.

Yet, Mitt decided that it was worth a potential "talking to" by church leadership.

Mormons aren't supposed to work on Sunday. They can recreate. They also have a policy of "some tasks need to be done on Sundays, and it isn't fair to non-mormons and coworkers to force them all to carry the burden on this days"

Which is where the no-shopping part comes in: shopping on Sundays encouraged more businesses to be open on them, thus influences more people to disregard the Sabbath.

Afaik, and my internetting backs up what my mormon co-workers tell me, the decision is largely up to the individual, and Mormons are allowed to balance their own needs against the guideline.

Of course, a public figure like Romney might well be told he's supposed to set a better example.

Nope. I grew up Mormon. You were able to go to church and then hang at home, like I mentioned. Police and Fire, doctors and nurses were allowed to do their jobs, just like you mention. But we weren't allowed to "recreate" any more than paying at home. We couldn't go to the lake or go skiing. We couldn't go to the circus, the water park, the amusement park, etc...

And Romney's job would only be one of the essential jobs of there was some kind of emergency that resulted in in the Senate being called in on a Sunday. It's also evident in how much of a ghost town Salt Lake can be on a Sunday. Kids like to walk to and from church because they can play a little along the way. Like I say, this was direct experience, and wasn't just confined to my family, or the town I lived in as a kid. I saw the same thing when we would come to Utah to visit family, and from other families as well.


I have known some Mormons though I  am certainly not an expert but couldn't something like this be considered missionary work?
 
2020-06-07 10:36:23 PM  
Looks like someone wants to distance himself real far from the Trumpublican party.

/Don't let it fool you, he still wants all these poors to buy more money.
 
2020-06-07 10:37:48 PM  

shastacola: kudayta: fragMasterFlash: So campaigning for 2024 already? I guess if the republicans are going to run a moderate then Mittens is as good as it gets.

/sucks to be them

Yep.  That's what he's doing.  And he might win, I don't think Joe Biden can beat him

Joe Biden won't run in 2024, that's why his VP pick is so important.


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A) Yes, Joe Biden is not running in 2024.  He's a stopgap.  The VP choice is crucial.
B) Joe Biden hasn't even won this election and we're already counting him out of the next one?  Not even going to give him a chance to implement 4 years of putting out fires?
C) Republicans are not going to run a moderate.  They're way too far gone to ever consider someone like Mitt.  Mitt is the scum of the universe to most republicans.  He'd never get the nomination.  (Unless Trump is thoroughly and undeniably trounced and the GOP turns back towards some amount of decency, but I'm doubting that)

Also, keep in mind, Mitt is not young.  In 4 years, he'll be the same age Biden is now.
 
2020-06-07 10:42:41 PM  
We're actually talking about Mitt Romney being the only worthwhile Republican, the only one with a conscience.  Given his cohort of scumbags it's not unbelievable.  This is a guy who proudly brags about building a company whose only purpose was to disassemble other companies for profit, putting thousands of people out of work.  And he's the good guy in the GOP.
 
2020-06-07 10:43:20 PM  

JAGChem82: Lastly, and I think someone covered this, R's would be wise not to crap on Romney too much: going back to the LDS thing, if they take too many digs at their guy, they may decide to vote for Biden out of disgust.


Utah is so red that if you split the R vote down the middle, the D will come in third.
 
2020-06-07 10:51:41 PM  

maxwellton: Why do I feel skeptical about this?
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Reek really wants to become Theon.
 
2020-06-07 10:53:17 PM  

calufrax: Yeah, okay. I'd have a beer with him..

Coffee...

WTF could I have a drink of with Mitt? A glass of cool water? Whatever he prefers...


"Lemon. Wet. Good."
 
2020-06-07 11:04:06 PM  
Why are people shocked? This is the man who invented Obamacare, after all.
 
2020-06-07 11:05:07 PM  

Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.


This. The Mormon church has, and continues to do a lot of very shady things. Never mind what Joe Smith and Brigham Young did to secure their power. Check out the 'Naked Mormonism' podcast if you want a true history of Mormonism.
 
2020-06-07 11:11:14 PM  

El Trolo: HallsOfMandos: It never ends well when you give an AI an empathy chip.

You'd be surprised, Data. Feelings do funny things. You may even learn to understand your evil brother. To forgive him. We will be more alike, Data, you and I. You'll see. I'm happy for you.


B4 would wreck his shiat!
 
2020-06-07 11:16:30 PM  
Do the Mormons have Noah's Ark in their version? The tower of Babel?

According to the Christians:
Long after Cain and Abel, the world was reduced to only Noah and his family. We are all descended from him. One race.
Then the tower of Babel. That is when God created all the different races and languages. So we would separate.

I think I have this right. So Cain and Abel have nothing to do with blacks.
 
2020-06-07 11:18:04 PM  

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


You had me until the last sentence.
 
2020-06-07 11:21:59 PM  
Mitt Romney can tell the way the wind is blowing and wants to run for President in 2024. Yawn.
 
2020-06-07 11:22:22 PM  

shastacola: Props and respect. Your father would be proud,Mitt.


I'll wait to see Mitt's tax return before I agree his father would be proud of him.
 
2020-06-07 11:28:18 PM  

FarkingChas: Do the Mormons have Noah's Ark in their version? The tower of Babel?

According to the Christians:
Long after Cain and Abel, the world was reduced to only Noah and his family. We are all descended from him. One race.
Then the tower of Babel. That is when God created all the different races and languages. So we would separate.

I think I have this right. So Cain and Abel have nothing to do with blacks.


I know the Christian version of events are quite brief compared to the Jewish ones. Like Cain and Able weren't the first kids, that there were many many before them (thus the ability for Cain to find a wife and have his own line).

I mean, we're talking about fairy tales from the farking BRONZE AGE so I wouldn't put too much thought into it.
 
2020-06-07 11:28:18 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: Mitt Romney can tell the way the wind is blowing and wants to run for President in 2024. Yawn.


Problems:

1. He'll be 77 in 2024 (and yeah Biden is 78, I know, but this is a fluke).

2. R's aren't getting anymore "moderate" anytime soon. They got a good taste of Trumpism for the past 4 years, and you don't quit that cold turkey.

3. Romney is and will be a RINO to the base.

Odds are in 2024 they run someone like Cotton who is an articulate version of Trump who can give them 95% of the MAGA agenda but won't be a public embarrassment on the world stage.
 
2020-06-07 11:32:10 PM  

IrishinTexas: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

This. The Mormon church has, and continues to do a lot of very shady things. Never mind what Joe Smith and Brigham Young did to secure their power. Check out the 'Naked Mormonism' podcast if you want a true history of Mormonism.


some people just want us to move on
/civil rights ended in the 60s, 50 years ago, we're all good now
 
2020-06-07 11:32:42 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


I would pay good money to see that shiatshow. Never gonna happen, but popcorn futures will be golden.
 
2020-06-07 11:36:15 PM  

JAGChem82: Anonymous Bosch: Mitt Romney can tell the way the wind is blowing and wants to run for President in 2024. Yawn.

Problems:

1. He'll be 77 in 2024 (and yeah Biden is 78, I know, but this is a fluke).

2. R's aren't getting anymore "moderate" anytime soon. They got a good taste of Trumpism for the past 4 years, and you don't quit that cold turkey.

3. Romney is and will be a RINO to the base.

Odds are in 2024 they run someone like Cotton who is an articulate version of Trump who can give them 95% of the MAGA agenda but won't be a public embarrassment on the world stage.


Romney wants to be a statesman. As high up as he can get. That's it.

He's in the Senate. There's no way he's not eyeing the big chair regardless his age. But I'm sure he'll be happy to usher (lead) in a post-McConnell Senate.

There's something about an athlete that loses big, but shows up again at next years tournament.
Don't underestimate the guy that knows how to get back up.

Romney needs a lot of things to go right around him for him to make his play, but he aint missing the opportunity should it happen.
 
2020-06-07 11:37:36 PM  
Remember a few years ago there was the photo with Romney and Trump having dinner together. Romney was looking directly in the camera with regret in his face? I think he realized he might have sold his soul to the devil. I think he is trying to repent a little bit. How long will he do that? I have no idea.

/I think him marching in genuine.
//Still not sure if he is a good person or not.
 
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2020-06-07 11:40:07 PM  

Unobtanium: I want to see some fresh polling after Trump's walk to the photo op. White Evangelicals skew older. Baby boomers. People who, or whose friends, may have protested Viet Nam or remember Kent State, because they were in college, too.

Trump probably lost some of them when he waved "a Bible" around as a prop in front of a church. Yes, they should never have supported him. But I'll take what I can get right now, especially if it also does cost the Republicans the Senate.

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Chart source.


Whoever built that chart sucks. How can there be more than 100% of a population? I'm all for playing with charts to tell your story (e.g. altering the scale to better demonstrate volatility), but the numbers still need to add up.
 
2020-06-07 11:40:49 PM  

Mikey1969: Kick The Chair: Mikey1969: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

Yeah, among other religions. Unless you think that racism only arrived with the invention of Mormonism in the mid-1800s. The real difference between the evolution of the Mormon religion and the other mainstream religions is that its so young. All of the rest were "commanded by God" to not be racist, they just did it hundreds of years ago, usually after they'd been doing it for hundreds of years.

Big farking deal, they saw the errors of their ways, 42 years ago. Move the fark on.

"Move the fark on."
- US Park Police while tear gassing protesters

Nice apples and spare tires "comparison". Your comment has absolutely dick to do with the subject at hand, so kindly fark off and try to bait someone else, I find you rather tiresome and you "wit" to be low caliber.


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Dude, you replied to me
 
2020-06-07 11:47:44 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: VisualiseThis: [Fark user image image 400x232]

vs.

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Holy fark, I didn't realize that was Rmoney's son!

I thought that was from some movie!


Hey, at least he looks like his son and not gene damaged like Trump's kids.
 
2020-06-07 11:52:11 PM  
I can't breathe!

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2020-06-07 11:53:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

He's not going to endorse Biden.  He's going to challenge Trump at the convention.  Too many high-up Republicans are looking for ways to not vote for Trump - they would sure as shiat vote for Romney, and I will lay good odds there is a huge amount of backroom talk going on about it right now.

It won't work, of course - he'll end up damaging Trump, Trump will get nominated, the Base will vote Trump and some people might write in Romney... but the best he will do is lower Trump's votes in November.  Which is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

Or is he dumb enough to try to run as an Independent?


"No-good RINO "Mittens" Romney tried to challenge your favorite President at the convention, and lost bigly! Biggest loser in the Republican Party! He should just leave and join the Democrat Party, where he belongs!"
 
2020-06-07 11:59:48 PM  

FarkingChas: Do the Mormons have Noah's Ark in their version? The tower of Babel?

According to the Christians:
Long after Cain and Abel, the world was reduced to only Noah and his family. We are all descended from him. One race.
Then the tower of Babel. That is when God created all the different races and languages. So we would separate.

I think I have this right. So Cain and Abel have nothing to do with blacks.


Mormons originally interpreted the Curse, or Mark, of Cain and his descendants to be black skin. They have changed their dogma

/product of an LDS/Catholic home, raised in LDS towns, attended LDS churches and schools, graduated HS and got the hell out
 
2020-06-07 11:59:49 PM  

shastacola: The Trump family, dripping with class as usual:

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Ivana should have swallowed the loads that mad Jr., Eric, and Ivanka.

Or gotten abortions.
 
2020-06-08 12:01:51 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Cagey B: Glad to see he's slumming it so graciously on behalf of the 47% of Americans who will never vote for him because they're too busy gobbling up free stuff.

He gets partial credit for doing his minimum duty and voting for one of two articles of impeachment. Beyond that, one march does not get him off the hook for being one of the many figures that enabled the Republican Party to turn into the openly fascist cesspit it is today.

Maybe Mitt is why all those Republican groups are making ads against Bunker Boy Donnie, but not endorsing Biden?


It's possible. If so, I can see that totally farking Trump over, which is a delicious thought.
 
2020-06-08 12:07:06 AM  

i ignore u: Jensaarai: Romney knows which way the political winds are blowing. But if you're worried about people falling for it, remember, he's still Mitt Romney. He can't help but hedge every bet. Like how he voted for only one count of impeachment, hedging his hedge. He'll do something to appeal to the racist base in short order. Probably around immigration.

Right, because Mitt Romney has such a history of racism and immigration nuttery.  /eyeroll


We're talking about a man who spent months running against his own healthcare plan, and in his first debate with Obama got the better of him by coming out for the opposite of all of his published policies. Past positions are no indicator of future politics with him. It might not be against immigrants. Maybe he'll go anti-gay. But make no mistake, he'll throw a bone to the bigots. Mitt Romney always hedges.
 
2020-06-08 12:32:46 AM  
God changed his mind about black people in 1978 according to LDS, so this makes sense.
 
2020-06-08 12:45:03 AM  
Anyone else REALLY wanting Romney to make a maverick, third party run in 2020, just to help Biden get elected?
 
2020-06-08 12:49:44 AM  

null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?


I like songs about Texas.

I'm dreaming of a blue Texas
Just like the one we used to know..


Well, maybe not that one, but a new blue Texas.

There's a blue, blue rose of Texas
That y'all will finally see
The GOP don't know her
November, they will see
 
2020-06-08 1:00:42 AM  

mactheknife: Anyone else REALLY wanting Romney to make a maverick, third party run in 2020, just to help Biden get elected?


But ... That will kill Biden instead, The Cult will NOT abandon Trump. Many may abandon Biden to show their dissatisfaction.
 
2020-06-08 1:05:31 AM  

Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.


I'm late to the thread.

My mother was LDS and my father was Catholic.  Early in their marriage they argued about religion but after a few years of bickering decided it was either religion or marriage and essentially quit going to church.  They allowed us kids to attend any church we desired; however we always lived in small NE AZ towns that were predominantly LDS.

What you see in a lot of those small SE AZ municipalities is 2 towns next to each other, one entirely LDS and the other everyone else, as LDS people used to not allow non-LDS people to own or rent property within their town limits.  They can be very clannish.

There are definitely different interpretations of the LDS religion; case in point the polygamous FLDS offshoot in Arizona City/Short Creek.  While the church has formally disavowed polygamy, (and they only gave it up as abolishing polygamy was a requirement for statehood; then the polygamists just moved down to the AZ territory or MX) most LDS acknowledge that it is still a church tenet and it is a feature of LDS heaven, i.e., a man can have numerous marriages, be sealed to each wife in the LDS temple on earth and expect to hook up with all of them in LDS heaven  My BIL had 3 grandmothers...at the same time...in the state of AZ.

My LDS sister proudly voted for Drumpf in 2016.  She's not posting "Pray for Trump" memes on FB anymore, but today was forwarding some shiat about how "George Floyd's death has been exploited to kill more Black Americans primarily by the hypocrites carrying BLM signs".  *sigh*  I'm sure she will just ignore Romney's overture.

Meanwhile, This black AZ legislator calls BLM a terrorist organization
He lives in Snowflake AZ, one of the towns I lived in that did not allow non-LDS people to reside within town limits.  I'm quite sure he is LDS.  (Hey, ecmo, get a load of this guy!).  What I found amusing is several of the idiots commenting on the article took umbrage with the author calling the guy the "Snowflake representative", assuming he was calling him a "snowflake".  LOL!

So, while Mormons may loathe Drumpf, they equate the looting with the protests and blame BLM.  They are getting their talking points coordinated regarding the protests.  Also I do not know one who does not fervently want to repeal Roe v Wade, so I fully expect them to suck up their distaste and vote for the GOP platform.  Maybe they are more evolved up in UT.  I hope so.
 
2020-06-08 1:11:34 AM  

4seasons85!: null: So we're looking at the possibility of Texas and Utah going blue on Election Night?

I'm in Texas and ill do my part. I dont expect it will go blue. But I think we will be close to purple.


I hate the fact that this needs to he thought about so strategically, but the harder they have to fight to keep Texas, the less resources they'll have for the other states. Sadly, that's also true for Biden, but sometimes you just gotta roll a hard six.
 
2020-06-08 1:41:32 AM  
Honestly it won't matter except as a rebuke to the Republican party and Trump, which while important in and of itself, wont effect the outcome. Worth throwing some resources to but if Biden wins Texas and Utah we will be talking an electoral win of around 400 to 138. The election would be such a blowout at that point that the Senate would probably fall to the Democrats at a minimum of 53 to 47 with quite possibly one or two additional surprise pickups.

Not tremendously likely and we all have to vote no matter what. And Trump is helping the best he can to create this outcome by his incompetence.
 
2020-06-08 1:56:27 AM  

enry: I talked smack about him in 2012 and the crap he pulled when he was Governor but good on you Senator.

/See, I didn't even call him "Rmoney"


Can you explain "the crap he pulled when he was Governor" part? I'm looking at the current MA governor who I think is ok despite being Republican, but I see people claiming that Baker is running scams.

So what did Mitt do that would be considered "pulling crap"?
 
2020-06-08 2:40:19 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

The Mormons have a very racist past.   I am not denying that, but god damn if you had told me a decade ago that Mitt Romney would be leading a march to the White House in support of Black Lives Matter...

Hell's a poppin' .


Mormons like non-whites the same way that they like women.

They are assets.
 
2020-06-08 2:41:59 AM  

shastacola: There's always the possibility that if Trump starts smelling like he's going to lose that he decides not to go through with the election. He's got an out of control ego, losing isn't an option. He'll make some lame excuse like his business empire needs him and he's decided he's done presidentin' after saving the world from Obama.


He would immediately be arrested on federal charges. Even if he worked out a deal with Barr to avoid federal charges, the NY AG is waiting for him with state charges, which Barr can't hand-wave away.  If #BenedictDonald loses the election, he's screwed.  That's why, I think, he recently installed loyalists as both Postmaster General and the head of the USPS retirement fund. He plans to loot the latter while the former looks askance, declare the USPS broke, and therefore, unable to handle a high volume of mail-in ballots.  Then, RU & their GOP partner can cheat in the ways they've been planning to in order to win the election.
 
2020-06-08 3:52:30 AM  
Credit where it's due.

I look forward to seeing Mitt run in 2024.

I also look forward to watching him lose spectacularly to Pete Buttigieg (or someone similar).
 
2020-06-08 6:24:42 AM  

Kick The Chair: Mikey1969: Kick The Chair: Are Mormons the ones who's God changed his mind about black people?

Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, led by church president Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation that the time had come to end these restrictions. After this revelation, people of African descent could hold priesthood offices and could be granted temple admittance.

Yeah, among other religions. Unless you think that racism only arrived with the invention of Mormonism in the mid-1800s. The real difference between the evolution of the Mormon religion and the other mainstream religions is that its so young. All of the rest were "commanded by God" to not be racist, they just did it hundreds of years ago, usually after they'd been doing it for hundreds of years.

Big farking deal, they saw the errors of their ways, 42 years ago. Move the fark on.

"Move the fark on."
- US Park Police while tear gassing protesters


In a few weeks we're going to find out that it really wasn't the US Park police behind the teargas and rubber bullets.

Just watch.
 
2020-06-08 6:27:05 AM  

Tarl3k: GreatGlavinsGhost: Original: Original Tweet:

mboorstein: Mitt Romney, marching down Penn Ave towards the White House, with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters. They're chanting "black lives matter!" and singing "This little light of mine" ⁦@MittRomney⁩ https://t.co/Zj8HHpBDoX


There may be a reason Mittens is out today.
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This is my father, George Romney, participating in a Civil Rights march in the Detroit suburbs during the late 1960s-"Force alone will not eliminate riots," he said. "We must eliminate the problems from which they stem." pic.twitter.com/SzrcAyfPD8
- Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 6, 2020

Keep I mind that when that picture was taken,George was still being taught by his church that black people were cursed for being the descendants of Cain: https://theconversation.com/morm​ons-confront-a-history-of-church-racis​m-95328


I'm starting to notice that when it comes to understanding marginalized populations, the GOP tend to go full cargo cult.
 
2020-06-08 10:30:14 AM  

Unobtanium: I want to see some fresh polling after Trump's walk to the photo op. White Evangelicals skew older. Baby boomers. People who, or whose friends, may have protested Viet Nam or remember Kent State, because they were in college, too.

Trump probably lost some of them when he waved "a Bible" around as a prop in front of a church. Yes, they should never have supported him. But I'll take what I can get right now, especially if it also does cost the Republicans the Senate.

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Chart source.


Unaffiliated doesn't mean religious or not religious nor does Jewish. Not really helpful. I would Group spiritual with religious but not atheist. Most of my Jewish friends are atheists despite Jewish being a religion as well.
 
2020-06-08 1:15:26 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Ken S.: I know all you purity people will hate this but I think it is great. If he actually took a moral stand and seriously endorsed Biden I think Utah could flip. Trump is only 3 points ahead of Biden in the latest polling there and most everyone in Utah hates Trump. Mormons, unlike some other forms of Chritianity today actually have an underlying ethical and moral underpinning.

The Mormons have a very racist past.   I am not denying that, but god damn if you had told me a decade ago that Mitt Romney would be leading a march to the White House in support of Black Lives Matter...

Hell's a poppin' .


It was very nice of the mo-mos to let negroes join in 1978. Until then, they were considered spiritually immature.
 
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