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2020-06-07 1:44:33 PM  
If there are a, "Few bad apples" in police forces...Why are the "good apples" protecting them?
 
2020-06-07 1:53:57 PM  
Yeah, you gotta rtfa
Not saying it's right, just saying you gotta rtfa
 
2020-06-07 1:56:43 PM  
That website gave my NoScript herpes and gonorrhea.
 
2020-06-07 1:58:02 PM  
No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-06-07 2:08:47 PM  
JFC so basically it's a case of support our brutality or get kicked out.

Police are rotten to the core.
 
2020-06-07 2:24:18 PM  

King Something: That website gave my NoScript herpes and gonorrhea.


I'm pretty sure you already had that.
Don't you have an old man to go beat up?
 
2020-06-07 2:24:30 PM  
Well there's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
2020-06-07 2:25:09 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.


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2020-06-07 2:25:13 PM  
He was sent home for wearing earrings.

I don't know what to make of this.
 
2020-06-07 2:26:21 PM  

cretinbob: Yeah, you gotta rtfa
Not saying it's right, just saying you gotta rtfa


"I just don't understand why good cops don't do the right thing."

[cop does right thing, gets dismissed]

"He was violating procedure."

SO ARE BAD COPS YOU CRETIN. DOING THE RIGHT THING SHOULD NOT BE TREATED WORSE THAN DOING THE WRONG THING.

Mother of god.
 
2020-06-07 2:27:30 PM  
The good apples are at the organic farmer's market.
 
2020-06-07 2:29:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: He was sent home for wearing earrings in an uppity fashion.

I don't know what to make of this.


FTFY

He apparently wears those earrings all the time, and he has been trying to get the dress code updated.  But wasn't sent home for it until now.

hmmmmm
 
2020-06-07 2:31:49 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: If there are a, "Few bad apples" in police forces...Why are the "good apples" protecting them?


If you understood that phrase, you'd have the answer.
 
2020-06-07 2:32:29 PM  
Such a progressive city.
 
2020-06-07 2:32:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon: cretinbob: Yeah, you gotta rtfa
Not saying it's right, just saying you gotta rtfa

"I just don't understand why good cops don't do the right thing."

[cop does right thing, gets dismissed]

"He was violating procedure."

SO ARE BAD COPS YOU CRETIN. DOING THE RIGHT THING SHOULD NOT BE TREATED WORSE THAN DOING THE WRONG THING.

Mother of god.


You didn't rtfa
 
2020-06-07 2:32:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.


That's, umm, kinda the point of the saying... which people have kept missing (deliberately or unintentionally is left as an exercise for the reader) for a very long time.
 
2020-06-07 2:33:23 PM  
No good deed goes unpunished
 
2020-06-07 2:34:18 PM  
Previous LEO here. It's idiotic to wear earrings while on duty period. Men and women. My old department completely prohibited it and for good reason. It gives something else for a suspect to grab hold of and literally rip your ear out.

But he's right. If they're going to allow it for female officers but not males that is a sexist policy and needs to go.
 
2020-06-07 2:34:43 PM  
As I've said before, when police only enforce one side of the political spectrum, they shouldn't demand respect when they start chanting "blue lives matter."
 
2020-06-07 2:35:24 PM  
(Because I loathe sites that require more javascript than content, here's the article extracted from the page source including links and formatting preserved...)

A San Francisco police officer took a knee with George Floyd protesters during a massive demonstration in the Mission District. The next day, his supervisors sent him home early for insubordination.

Officer Rubin Rhodes, a five-year veteran assigned to Mission Station, was the first of at least two officers to kneel outside the station Wednesday in a show of support for the crowd protesting police brutality.

The following morning, Rhodes was accused of being insubordinate after coming to work with his earrings on in an alleged violation of department policy, which prohibits male officers from wearing earrings on-duty.

The problem is, Rhodes wears the earrings to work nearly every day without issue. And he also believes he should not be restricted from wearing earrings because he identifies as non-binary.

"Why would you send somebody home for an earring?" said Rhodes, who stopped short of calling it retaliation. "It's just nonsensical."

Rhodes is one of many officers from across the country who have been photographed kneeling at protests over the last week during the largest uprising the nation has seen in decades.

Sgt. Michael Andraychak, a San Francisco Police Department spokesperson, declined to comment on personnel issues. But he noted that numerous members of the department including Police Chief Bill Scott and an assistant chief have taken a knee publicly to honor Floyd.

"The gesture (where safe and appropriate) is consistent with community policing policies that encourage officers to demonstrate empathy and understanding for the diverse communities they serve," he said.

San Francisco police officers are barred from engaging in political activity while on-duty. Last month, for instance, the San Francisco Police Officers Association was heavily criticized for giving officers masks to protect against the coronavirus that displayed the "thin blue line" flag.

Rhodes argued that his action was nonpolitical. He said the knee represented his opposition to conduct unbecoming of police officers and him sympathizing with the anger of peaceful protesters.

"They just wanted to see that law enforcement was on their side and that we didn't agree with the injustices that are going on around the country, which we don't because that's not what we stand for" Rhodes said.

"They are tired about the lack of action from our law enforcement and I'm not going stand for it either," he added.
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Officer Rubin Rhodes said he was asked to leave work early for an unrelated offense after he took a knee in solidarity with protesters outside Mission Police Station. (Kevin N. Hume/S.F. Examiner)


While Rhodes refers to himself as a black man and with the pronouns "he" or "him" he has gone to some lengths to make his non-binary identity clear.

He changed his driver license last year to reflect his neutral status and wrote a memo to his bosses.

He has only found himself in trouble for wearing earrings once before, when he was counseled for failing to adhere to the policy several years ago.

He questioned why the department would choose to send him home now when all officers have their days off canceled due to protests.

Grooming standards for officers are laid out under a Department General Order from 1994 that sets out different guidelines for male and female officers, without addressing those who identify as gender non-binary.

"Male officers shall be clean shaven with sideburns neatly trimmed when reporting for duty," the policy reads. "Female officers' hair shall be clean, trimmed and present a groomed appearance."

The policy refers to another DGO from 2007 for guidelines on jewelry. The order only allows "female officers" to wear one earring in each ear.

Rhodes said the policy might as well be from the year 1804.

"This policy is inherently sexist and discriminatory," he said.

He has raised the issue with the command staff, and said he believed Chief Scott planned to remove any mention of gender.

But that does not appear to have happened so far.

Rhodes said he had about nine hours left on his shift when a sergeant and lieutenant at Mission Station sent him home.

He believes he will have to use personal time to make up for the lost wages.

When asked whether he feared discipline for speaking out, Rhodes told the Examiner that he did not.

"I'm tired of it," Rhodes said. "If I don't speak up, who will?"

This story has been updated to include additional comment.
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2020-06-07 2:35:24 PM  
Oh, and to clarify, it's bullshiat that they used that excuse instead of what they really wanted to say. If they want to punish him for kneeling, punish him for kneeling. My original post, to get people to rtfa, is because the headline is misleading, and frankly shouldn't have gone green because of that.
 
2020-06-07 2:36:47 PM  
If God didn't make Little Bad Apples and it don't riot in Minneapolis in the summertime...
 
2020-06-07 2:37:18 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Nadie_AZ: He was sent home for wearing earrings in an uppity fashion.

I don't know what to make of this.

FTFY

He apparently wears those earrings all the time, and he has been trying to get the dress code updated.  But wasn't sent home for it until now.

hmmmmm


As a side note: a non-binary male-identifying Black policeman in San Francisco, assigned to the Mission?

It's like a Tom of Finland poster that got rubbed by a thousand sweaty rent boys and magically came to life.
 
2020-06-07 2:37:30 PM  
I'm on the fence here. I have worked at places with strict policies on dress code. Basically, show up in shorts and you will be sent home to change. Earrings? "Hey, take those out" but not sent home.

It's really hard to tell if the guy is just a troublemaker to begin with and pushing their department boundaries....or someone was looking for any excuse they could to send him home after the kneel.

I need more information is what I'm saying.
 
2020-06-07 2:40:35 PM  

wild9: I'm on the fence here. I have worked at places with strict policies on dress code. Basically, show up in shorts and you will be sent home to change. Earrings? "Hey, take those out" but not sent home.

It's really hard to tell if the guy is just a troublemaker to begin with and pushing their department boundaries....or someone was looking for any excuse they could to send him home after the kneel.

I need more information is what I'm saying.


"The problem is, Rhodes wears the earrings to work nearly every day without issue."
 
2020-06-07 2:42:28 PM  
Punisher t-shirts that say "White Power" still a-ok.
 
2020-06-07 2:44:19 PM  
Looks like the tax payers of San Francisco are going to be asked to pony up some serious cash when the lawsuits are done.
 
2020-06-07 2:44:46 PM  

Smidge204: Officer Rubin Rhodes, a five-year veteran assigned to Mission Station, was the first of at least two officers to kneel outside the station Wednesday in a show of support for the crowd protesting police brutality.


What about the other officer?
 
2020-06-07 2:49:20 PM  
"Male officers shall be clean shaven with sideburns neatly trimmed when reporting for duty," the policyreads.

Did George Steinbrenner write these rules?
Anyone seen Mattingly?
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2020-06-07 2:49:49 PM  

cretinbob: Yeah, you gotta rtfa
Not saying it's right, just saying you gotta rtfa


WOW that's even worse. Homophobia, and the cops are routinely allowed to break all kinds of uniform rules, but they are being used against the LGBTQ cops? For the purposes of racism?

JFC what a shaitshow. How could it be worse? Well, here it is.
 
2020-06-07 2:50:07 PM  

CipollinaFan: Smidge204: Officer Rubin Rhodes, a five-year veteran assigned to Mission Station, was the first of at least two officers to kneel outside the station Wednesday in a show of support for the crowd protesting police brutality.

What about the other officer?


*shrug* That's the entire article. There's no mention of the other officer's circumstance or even their name.
=Smidge=
 
2020-06-07 2:54:56 PM  
I have total respect for this officer. Civil disobedience takes courage, because there will be consequences. If there weren't, the act would have little or no value.
 
2020-06-07 2:56:26 PM  
I'm sure their union will defend this guy just as strongly as they do murderous cops.
 
2020-06-07 2:56:58 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: wild9: I'm on the fence here. I have worked at places with strict policies on dress code. Basically, show up in shorts and you will be sent home to change. Earrings? "Hey, take those out" but not sent home.

It's really hard to tell if the guy is just a troublemaker to begin with and pushing their department boundaries....or someone was looking for any excuse they could to send him home after the kneel.

I need more information is what I'm saying.

"The problem is, Rhodes wears the earrings to work nearly every day without issue."


I know. I saw that part. I have worked with guys that for some reason they kept pushing those damn policy buttons and creating issues.

Like the guy who brought in a 60 inch television to use as a monitor on his desk because he had bad vision. Okay, that seems a bit overkill, but we can't really reprimand you over that...but you do wear tshirts with logos on them everyday so we are gonna write you up on that instead.
 
2020-06-07 2:58:48 PM  

Nadie_AZ: He was sent home for wearing earrings.

I don't know what to make of this.


White supremacist tattoos are ok though.

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2020-06-07 3:00:50 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: wild9: I'm on the fence here. I have worked at places with strict policies on dress code. Basically, show up in shorts and you will be sent home to change. Earrings? "Hey, take those out" but not sent home.

It's really hard to tell if the guy is just a troublemaker to begin with and pushing their department boundaries....or someone was looking for any excuse they could to send him home after the kneel.

I need more information is what I'm saying.

"The problem is, Rhodes wears the earrings to work nearly every day without issue."


No. No he didn't. He had been disciplined over them before. That is "issue"
There are no clear cut answers but following dress code for a uniformed workforce shouldn't be the hill you die on. Take the earrings out... THEN kneel.
 
2020-06-07 3:01:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.


There was an article on Fark about a year ago.  Police intervened in domestic conflict situation and the person there was in distress and pointing a gun at the cop asking the cop to shoot him.

The cop realized it was a suicide cop situation and did not shoot the person.  Rather, he deescalated the situation and basically saved his life (risking his own).  A hero.  Guess what happened to that officer?
 
2020-06-07 3:02:51 PM  

MizzouFTW: Previous LEO here. It's idiotic to wear earrings while on duty period. Men and women. My old department completely prohibited it and for good reason. It gives something else for a suspect to grab hold of and literally rip your ear out.

But he's right. If they're going to allow it for female officers but not males that is a sexist policy and needs to go.


If all those female cops who enjoy wearing earrings while on patrol (I agree that is stupid) are no longer allowed to wear earrings because of this cop his non-binary status will be changed to sub-binary in a hurry.
 
2020-06-07 3:03:30 PM  
An officer must represent the morals and standards of the community he serves.  That's the price of working in an ultra conservative and intolerant city.

/challenge: San Francisco
 
2020-06-07 3:03:48 PM  

mrshowrules: Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.

There was an article on Fark about a year ago.  Police intervened in domestic conflict situation and the person there was in distress and pointing a gun at the cop asking the cop to shoot him.

The cop realized it was a suicide cop situation and did not shoot the person.  Rather, he deescalated the situation and basically saved his life (risking his own).  A hero.  Guess what happened to that officer?


He fixed the cable?
 
2020-06-07 3:04:12 PM  
That's the way it works in a large company or public position when you are no longer convenient or considered a "team member". They just keep stacking bullschit issues until they feel justified to "let you go", even though each individual incident is completely out of context or ridiculously exaggerated. I've dealt with it twice and there isn't much you can do once you have a bullseye on your back.
Remember, HR works for who pays them, not you.
 
2020-06-07 3:04:55 PM  

Nadie_AZ: He was sent home for wearing earrings.

I don't know what to make of this.


Maybe it's the German in me, or that I am ex-military as is my entire family.

I don't care if he gay, trans or Nonbinary . I am glad he knelt.

But wear the uniform properly or don't wear it. I would send anyone home, any time for a uniform violation because if I can't trust you to do that, how can I trust you with a loaded gun and a license to use it.

Probably more to the story.
 
2020-06-07 3:07:17 PM  

cretinbob: Oh, and to clarify, it's bullshiat that they used that excuse instead of what they really wanted to say. If they want to punish him for kneeling, punish him for kneeling. My original post, to get people to rtfa, is because the headline is misleading, and frankly shouldn't have gone green because of that.


Headline is still accurate. Reading the article makes that even more clear.
 
2020-06-07 3:11:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.


Truth.

I had a close friend who went on to be a cop after high school. After he saw how they behave he decided to quit before he became like them.

He switched to being an EMT and never looked back. He raised his kids to treat cops like the threat they are.
 
2020-06-07 3:13:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: He was sent home for wearing earrings.

I don't know what to make of this.


Like he had been doing for some time before kneeling.

What changed?   <rhetorical>

farking pigs do not tolerate good cops. They don't.
Omerta is law.
Omerta is life.
 
2020-06-07 3:14:18 PM  

MizzouFTW: Previous LEO here. It's idiotic to wear earrings while on duty period. Men and women. My old department completely prohibited it and for good reason. It gives something else for a suspect to grab hold of and literally rip your ear out.

But he's right. If they're going to allow it for female officers but not males that is a sexist policy and needs to go.



The officer had worn them multiple times before. This was just something to use as punishment for breaking Omerta.
 
2020-06-07 3:16:06 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: I have total respect for this officer. Civil disobedience takes courage, because there will be consequences. If there weren't, the act would have little or no value.


He has worn them before in protest and nothing happened.
Then he took a knee.
NOW they punish him "for the earings"


/Don't be gullible
 
2020-06-07 3:16:41 PM  

mrshowrules: Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.

There was an article on Fark about a year ago.  Police intervened in domestic conflict situation and the person there was in distress and pointing a gun at the cop asking the cop to shoot him.

The cop realized it was a suicide cop situation and did not shoot the person.  Rather, he deescalated the situation and basically saved his life (risking his own).  A hero.  Guess what happened to that officer?


He'll go to his grave knowing he did the morally right thing, that he served a purpose higher than himself, that he did indeed serve and protect.
 
2020-06-07 3:16:47 PM  

mrshowrules: Marcus Aurelius: No wonder they're all bad.  Any good apples they find are disposed of immediately.

There was an article on Fark about a year ago.  Police intervened in domestic conflict situation and the person there was in distress and pointing a gun at the cop asking the cop to shoot him.

The cop realized it was a suicide cop situation and did not shoot the person.  Rather, he deescalated the situation and basically saved his life (risking his own).  A hero.  Guess what happened to that officer?


What?


Don't leave us hanging!
 
2020-06-07 3:17:58 PM  

wild9: I'm on the fence here. I have worked at places with strict policies on dress code. Basically, show up in shorts and you will be sent home to change. Earrings? "Hey, take those out" but not sent home.

It's really hard to tell if the guy is just a troublemaker to begin with and pushing their department boundaries....or someone was looking for any excuse they could to send him home after the kneel.

I need more information is what I'm saying.


If only there were something you could read that would provide more information.  If I ran this site there'd be something like that at the top of every thread.  Alas, 'tis not to be.
 
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