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2020-06-06 5:00:32 PM  
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2020-06-06 5:04:21 PM  

I Ate Shergar: [s.hdnux.com image 501x602]


Now that's Good Infographicking.
 
2020-06-06 5:11:33 PM  
On a website I saw some tests for various materials (yes, they were sellling masks or mask materials) and they said that a single sheet of paper decreased the amount of virus by about 20% (I forget the exact number, it doesn't signify a dried fig).

20% or ZERO percent protection. Your choice. Which do you wear, your foolish face as God made you or a single sheet of Bounty?

Hell, this is so easy even Donald Trump would toss you the Bounty.

I bought some masks, some expensive and "re-usable" and some surgical and not too horrifically over-priced, and I will wear them. I have experimented with lots of materials for making masks, and have found some materials that might "soup up" the N rating if combined with real masks that I know are so-so effective. Nylons are great for reducing the gaps and making masks fit better. Think "chunky girl" nylons or ask the advice of a statuesque drag queen, you may need a specific size for a good fit.

I bought the wrong blue shop towels, but in two or three layers, they should be great if I use them.

I ordered some cool cloth masks that look sort of Asian, but don't cost as much as the best cotton Japanese masks, the really cool ones.

Think layering. It works for dressing, it should work for masks if you are caught out without a pro N99 mask that fits like a face wash and looks totally clean room pure.
 
2020-06-06 5:21:40 PM  
Headline made me giggle.
 
2020-06-06 5:51:30 PM  
Too many of my generation are on the magic bus (aka the short bus), and will ignore this.
 
2020-06-06 8:25:31 PM  
FIRST BASE!
 
2020-06-06 9:27:17 PM  
If you haven't figured this out yet, I can't farking help you. No one can. Fark only knows I've tried.
 
2020-06-06 9:29:24 PM  
You might be right but your credibility has taken a big hit by letting Twitler the Fake MD poison you.
 
2020-06-06 9:30:43 PM  
The funny thing is masks are a good look for a lot of people. I'm surprised this didn't catch on sooner, in the non-muslin world anyway.
 
2020-06-06 9:31:03 PM  
We are getting a whole lot of value from the WHO on this....   they seem to be the Keystone Kops of world healthcare.  Peak inertia...totally useless.
 
2020-06-06 9:32:28 PM  
Masks are a sign of fear and weakness,not to mention the impact on marine life.
 
2020-06-06 9:36:06 PM  

macadamnut: The funny thing is masks are a good look for a lot of people. I'm surprised this didn't catch on sooner, in the non-muslin world anyway.


In that they can hide some very ugly people?
 
2020-06-06 9:36:40 PM  

ocelot: Masks are a sign of fear and weakness,not to mention the impact on marine life.


Well, that's a stupid thing to say.
 
2020-06-06 9:36:56 PM  
My friend's mom says, "Gauze is a great material for masks because it's super breathable."
 
2020-06-06 9:37:22 PM  
It's my right to infect Meemaw so that when she dies I can sell her house and buy an F-150.  I just hope she hasn't reverse mortgaged it to Tom Selleck.
 
2020-06-06 9:37:26 PM  

rebelyell2006: macadamnut: The funny thing is masks are a good look for a lot of people. I'm surprised this didn't catch on sooner, in the non-muslin world anyway.

In that they can hide some very ugly people?


Works about as well as fatties thinking a giant shirt tricks people.
 
2020-06-06 9:39:09 PM  
This thread got its quota of stupid quickly
 
2020-06-06 9:48:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It's my right to infect Meemaw so that when she dies I can sell her house and buy an F-150.  I just hope she hasn't reverse mortgaged it to Tom Selleck.


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She signs her SSI checks over to Old Glory in case the robots eat her Hydroxychloroquine.
 
2020-06-06 9:48:22 PM  
Of course, you won't be able to recognize people as well, which might have you going around asking "Who are you? Who? Who? Who? Who?"

/I really wanna know
 
2020-06-06 9:56:15 PM  
MASKS ARE A SIGN OF MASKING AND MASKINESS
 
2020-06-06 10:01:28 PM  
Also you need to actually wear them on your face.

I am sick of seeing people just wearing them around their neck.

You're not suppose to keep taking them on and off and I see people forgetting or not knowing when they get close to people. Just keep it on when you go outside and might be around people.
 
2020-06-06 10:07:43 PM  
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2020-06-06 10:08:18 PM  
I'm kind of bummed because I enjoyed the hypocrisy of people who were attacking WHO for their response and conspiracy with China while simultaneously posting their "masks not needed in public" guideline.
 
2020-06-06 10:21:32 PM  

macadamnut: The funny thing is masks are a good look for a lot of people. I'm surprised this didn't catch on sooner, in the non-muslin world anyway.


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2020-06-06 10:25:20 PM  
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2020-06-06 10:29:07 PM  

FormlessOne: If you haven't figured this out yet, I can't farking help you. No one can. Fark only knows I've tried.


Best be talking to some protestors / rioters then.oh, that's rigjt, two weeks ago the handwriting was over the black community being disproportionately affected. Now, not so much. See the Michigan Governor photo op. Virus can't touch you if you be perceived to be righteous. Lol.
 
2020-06-06 10:30:21 PM  

bfh0417: FormlessOne: If you haven't figured this out yet, I can't farking help you. No one can. Fark only knows I've tried.

Best be talking to some protestors / rioters then.oh, that's rigjt, two weeks ago the handwriting was over the black community being disproportionately affected. Now, not so much. See the Michigan Governor photo op. Virus can't touch you if you be perceived to be righteous. Lol.


Hand wringing.
 
2020-06-06 10:31:07 PM  

Xenolith0: [Fark user image image 673x799]


Lol wut
 
2020-06-06 10:41:50 PM  

brantgoose: On a website I saw some tests for various materials (yes, they were sellling masks or mask materials) and they said that a single sheet of paper decreased the amount of virus by about 20% (I forget the exact number, it doesn't signify a dried fig).

20% or ZERO percent protection. Your choice. Which do you wear, your foolish face as God made you or a single sheet of Bounty?

Hell, this is so easy even Donald Trump would toss you the Bounty.

I bought some masks, some expensive and "re-usable" and some surgical and not too horrifically over-priced, and I will wear them. I have experimented with lots of materials for making masks, and have found some materials that might "soup up" the N rating if combined with real masks that I know are so-so effective. Nylons are great for reducing the gaps and making masks fit better. Think "chunky girl" nylons or ask the advice of a statuesque drag queen, you may need a specific size for a good fit.

I bought the wrong blue shop towels, but in two or three layers, they should be great if I use them.

I ordered some cool cloth masks that look sort of Asian, but don't cost as much as the best cotton Japanese masks, the really cool ones.

Think layering. It works for dressing, it should work for masks if you are caught out without a pro N99 mask that fits like a face wash and looks totally clean room pure.


Even more importantly than preventing you from inhaling virus laden aerosols (which are submicron particles that are infuriatingly difficult to filter out), even a sheet of bounty or virtually any other mesoscopic mesh will be extraordinarily effective at preventing you from *exhaling* potentially virus-laden droplets, because they are generally much, much larger when they leave the mouth/nose - and proportionately easier to filter - and then shrink rapidly once they leave the 100% humid respiratory tract.

Wear a mask, stop the virus from spreading

But really though, who in the hell ever thought wearing masks wouldn't greatly slow the spread of a disease that spreads by droplets?
 
2020-06-06 10:50:05 PM  

Corvus: Also you need to actually wear them on your face.

I am sick of seeing people just wearing them around their neck.

You're not suppose to keep taking them on and off and I see people forgetting or not knowing when they get close to people. Just keep it on when you go outside and might be around people.


I do feel there's a big difference in being inside vs out.

Inside, virus laden droplets aerosolize and then basically hang in the same volume and accumulate as the air is recirculated (see any number of studies finding mass infection/spreading but that it was overwhelmingly contained in a single room).

Outside, if you're in a low people density situation, any drops you exhale are diluted by turbulent airflow into a basically infinite volume so that spreading is far less of a concern.

It's not ZERO but when I'm walking or biking across a basically abandoned campus, no I don't put my mask on. Why? I'm either tens of yards away from people, or I'm biking past so fast I spend only a fraction of a second within 10 feet. Walking through a crowd, whole different situation...
 
2020-06-06 10:54:16 PM  
The WHO wasn't wrong. We're morons. The initial priority was for doctors and nurses to get the medical supplies they needed to safely treat sick people. So telling the general public (who should be staying at home) not to try and buy medical masks because we're too stupid to know the difference. Now that the public is out and about AND the supply of medical gear isn't so farked up, it's safer to tell us morons that getting a mask isn't a bad idea.
 
2020-06-06 10:58:47 PM  

inner ted: Xenolith0: [Fark user image image 673x799]

Lol wut


That's a real Tweet, but it's "Chinese authorities" making that claim, not the WHO.
 
2020-06-06 11:02:01 PM  

Xenolith0: [Fark user image 673x799]



Science...how does it work
 
2020-06-06 11:04:43 PM  

cefm: The WHO wasn't wrong. We're morons. The initial priority was for doctors and nurses to get the medical supplies they needed to safely treat sick people. So telling the general public (who should be staying at home) not to try and buy medical masks because we're too stupid to know the difference. Now that the public is out and about AND the supply of medical gear isn't so farked up, it's safer to tell us morons that getting a mask isn't a bad idea.


That's not the case here.  As recently as last week the WHO said people shouldn't be wearing them unless they are treating COVID patients.
 
2020-06-06 11:30:52 PM  

dennysgod: Xenolith0: [Fark user image 673x799]


Science...how does it work


More like "words, what do they mean?"  "Studies show no clear evidence" means we don't know that it does spread from person to person, which was true on January 14th.  But you're arguing with someone who doesn't understand what words mean, so more words won't really help his understanding.
 
2020-06-06 11:36:19 PM  
Wearing a mask is a no-brainer. Came here to give props to stubby for a very good headline, made me snortlaugh!
 
2020-06-06 11:50:31 PM  
WHO only now came to this conclusion? Didn't the CDC figure this out 2 months ago?

This whole thing has not been good for WHO's credibility.
 
2020-06-07 12:02:46 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: WHO only now came to this conclusion? Didn't the CDC figure this out 2 months ago?

This whole thing has not been good for WHO's credibility.


A few weeks ago an anti-mask poster here linked to the WHO claiming they thought masks were useless.

The link, and I'm paraphrasing from memory, said something along the lines of "we aren't telling everyone to wear them, but based on the overall approach of a particular area they may be a good addition to the overall blah blah"

It was pretty lame.
 
2020-06-07 12:38:17 AM  
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2020-06-07 12:59:29 AM  
The problem with advising healthy people to not wear masks is that we don't know who is healthy and who is infected and asymptomatic. For the protection of others you must assume that you're the latter and wear a mask in public.
 
2020-06-07 1:20:06 AM  
erik-k:

Wait.  So the masks won't filter out virus particles, but they do keep droplets laden with virus from getting out.

So where do the non droplet virus particles come from?

If the virus can float around without being in a droplet, wouldn't it just escape from the mask anyway?
 
2020-06-07 1:23:57 AM  

Gordon Bennett: The problem with advising healthy people to not wear masks is that we don't know who is healthy and who is infected and asymptomatic. For the protection of others you must assume that you're the latter and wear a mask in public.


Wait if so many people are walking around with no symptoms, wouldn't it just make more sense for people who are susceptible to take extra precautions?  Like wearing masks, social distancing etc?
 
2020-06-07 1:37:29 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Gordon Bennett: The problem with advising healthy people to not wear masks is that we don't know who is healthy and who is infected and asymptomatic. For the protection of others you must assume that you're the latter and wear a mask in public.

Wait if so many people are walking around with no symptoms, wouldn't it just make more sense for people who are susceptible to take extra precautions?  Like wearing masks, social distancing etc?


Everyone has to take precautions. Masks are far more effective at preventing an infected wearer from transmitting the disease than they are in protecting a healthy wearer from catching it. If an infected and an uninfected person meet, the ideal means to prevent transmission is for both to be wearing masks.

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2020-06-07 1:44:41 AM  

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I disagree with scenario 2. If I'm wearing pants, and you pee on me, I think it's worse than not wearing pants. No pants, the pee runs down my leg and what's left quickly dries. With pants, then I'm waking around half the day with piss soaked pants keeping the pee on me.
 
2020-06-07 1:51:55 AM  

cefm: The WHO wasn't wrong. We're morons. The initial priority was for doctors and nurses to get the medical supplies they needed to safely treat sick people. So telling the general public (who should be staying at home) not to try and buy medical masks because we're too stupid to know the difference. Now that the public is out and about AND the supply of medical gear isn't so farked up, it's safer to tell us morons that getting a mask isn't a bad idea.


Whatever their reasons, the WHO -- and the CDC before them -- have shredded their credibility with the public. Now whatever they say, people are going to remember this mask debacle and wonder how much their current advice can be trusted. It's a stupid thing to flush your reputation down the toilet when you need it very very badly in a crisis or the public won't listen to you.
 
2020-06-07 1:54:29 AM  

brantgoose: On a website I saw some tests for various materials (yes, they were sellling masks or mask materials) and they said that a single sheet of paper decreased the amount of virus by about 20% (I forget the exact number, it doesn't signify a dried fig).

20% or ZERO percent protection. Your choice. Which do you wear, your foolish face as God made you or a single sheet of Bounty?

Hell, this is so easy even Donald Trump would toss you the Bounty.

I bought some masks, some expensive and "re-usable" and some surgical and not too horrifically over-priced, and I will wear them. I have experimented with lots of materials for making masks, and have found some materials that might "soup up" the N rating if combined with real masks that I know are so-so effective. Nylons are great for reducing the gaps and making masks fit better. Think "chunky girl" nylons or ask the advice of a statuesque drag queen, you may need a specific size for a good fit.

I bought the wrong blue shop towels, but in two or three layers, they should be great if I use them.

I ordered some cool cloth masks that look sort of Asian, but don't cost as much as the best cotton Japanese masks, the really cool ones.

Think layering. It works for dressing, it should work for masks if you are caught out without a pro N99 mask that fits like a face wash and looks totally clean room pure.


URL for this site?
 
2020-06-07 1:56:23 AM  
What's this about HU masks?
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2020-06-07 2:00:08 AM  

jjorsett: cefm: The WHO wasn't wrong. We're morons. The initial priority was for doctors and nurses to get the medical supplies they needed to safely treat sick people. So telling the general public (who should be staying at home) not to try and buy medical masks because we're too stupid to know the difference. Now that the public is out and about AND the supply of medical gear isn't so farked up, it's safer to tell us morons that getting a mask isn't a bad idea.

Whatever their reasons, the WHO -- and the CDC before them -- have shredded their credibility with the public. Now whatever they say, people are going to remember this mask debacle and wonder how much their current advice can be trusted. It's a stupid thing to flush your reputation down the toilet when you need it very very badly in a crisis or the public won't listen to you.


The only people I don't trust out of this is the GOP.  FEMA wouldn't steal supplies and turn them over to private contractors to re-sell them if Tiny Dick Daughterfarker wasn't in the White House, and if the do-nothing Republicans in the Senate had the balls to do the right thing.
 
2020-06-07 2:05:44 AM  

MythDragon: I Ate Shergar: [s.hdnux.com image 501x602]

I disagree with scenario 2. If I'm wearing pants, and you pee on me, I think it's worse than not wearing pants. No pants, the pee runs down my leg and what's left quickly dries. With pants, then I'm waking around half the day with piss soaked pants keeping the pee on me.


So scenario A is you have no pants at all. Just naked legs (or more!)

Scenario B is that you have pants.  If the pants get wet, you can take them off, placing you in the same position as scenario A, minus some pee contact.
 
2020-06-07 2:13:17 AM  

I Ate Shergar: [s.hdnux.com image 501x602]


Depends.
 
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