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2020-06-06 2:08:54 PM  
Well, if the election were held tomorrow.

But that was interesting information about the informed polls. That last kind of poll ("Biden is in favor of open borders, forced abortions, legalizing bestiality, and making America communist. Trump is saving America from socialism. Who do you support?") I thought was called a "push-poll." We have a landline, so we get them all the time.
 
2020-06-06 2:22:22 PM  
Good. Unless they make that one last desperate push into tyranny and fascism.

There's no need to drag this thing out for decades and centuries. The Republic and the World have suffered enough jackboots grinding the human face forever.
 
2020-06-06 2:26:12 PM  
But the gerrymandering, voter suppression, hackers, as "lost" ballots will take care of that
 
2020-06-06 2:58:58 PM  
Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
 
2020-06-06 3:00:53 PM  

Elegy: snatch


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2020-06-06 3:05:38 PM  

Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.


Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.
 
2020-06-06 3:15:03 PM  

pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.


"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?
 
2020-06-06 3:16:16 PM  
It's just a grift to get donation money.
 
2020-06-06 3:16:45 PM  
Everyone knows public polling is notoriously wrong about President Trump.

I sure hope Trump's approval isn't that high.

November is an eternity from now. All Trump has to do is show a slight uptick in the economy, scare people into thinking that it's a bad idea to change Presidents while the country is on fire, announce that a cure for the virus is being tested and will be available on November 4th and sound just a little Presidential. That last part might require an imposter to play him but all that other stuff along with the shady shiat they're already planning and it's four more years.

Biden has to go negative. Don't let people forget what a shiatty President and human Trump is. That was one of Hillary's mistakes, she didn't attack Trump's character. And suck up to the shiat kickin' hicks because they have more representation than NY and CA.
 
2020-06-06 3:19:23 PM  

qorkfiend: pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.

"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?


He isn't 30 points behind.  Remember where he was with respect to Hillary before the election.  People thought she was going to win in a landslide.  If people think a sub-10 point Biden lead right now shows he's in serious trouble, they haven't been paying attention.
 
2020-06-06 3:21:00 PM  

pearls before swine: qorkfiend: pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.

"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?

He isn't 30 points behind.  Remember where he was with respect to Hillary before the election.  People thought she was going to win in a landslide.  If people think a sub-10 point Biden lead right now shows he's in serious trouble, they haven't been paying attention.


Biden is running significantly ahead of where Clinton was at this point, both nationally and at the state level.

This isn't 2016, son.
 
2020-06-06 3:28:15 PM  

qorkfiend: pearls before swine: qorkfiend: pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.

"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?

He isn't 30 points behind.  Remember where he was with respect to Hillary before the election.  People thought she was going to win in a landslide.  If people think a sub-10 point Biden lead right now shows he's in serious trouble, they haven't been paying attention.

Biden is running significantly ahead of where Clinton was at this point, both nationally and at the state level.

This isn't 2016, son.


Yeah, I'm getting tired of hearing about 2016, even though I agree that everyone needs to vote no matter how in the bag they think this is. But all the polls did was report both of their popularity. It didn't predict how many people would actually vote and it didn't predict the actual electoral college vote.

So by that metric, the polls were correct, Hillary did win the popular vote. It's just that very few people voted at all and Hillary lost a couple key states by a razor thin margin. So yes, everyone needs to go vote but I'm also tired of hearing, "Trump was behind in 2016 too and he won". The situation is a lot different now.
 
2020-06-06 3:34:27 PM  

Mugato: qorkfiend: pearls before swine: qorkfiend: pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.

"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?

He isn't 30 points behind.  Remember where he was with respect to Hillary before the election.  People thought she was going to win in a landslide.  If people think a sub-10 point Biden lead right now shows he's in serious trouble, they haven't been paying attention.

Biden is running significantly ahead of where Clinton was at this point, both nationally and at the state level.

This isn't 2016, son.

Yeah, I'm getting tired of hearing about 2016, even though I agree that everyone needs to vote no matter how in the bag they think this is. But all the polls did was report both of their popularity. It didn't predict how many people would actually vote and it didn't predict the actual electoral college vote.

So by that metric, the polls were correct, Hillary did win the popular vote. It's just that very few people voted at all and Hillary lost a couple key states by a razor thin margin. So yes, everyone needs to go vote but I'm also tired of hearing, "Trump was behind in 2016 too and he won". The situation is a lot different now.



Yeah, the situation is a lot different.  Trump has proven himself to be a fascist, causing great harm to our nation, and actively at war with the majority of Americans.

And he's behind by less than 10 points.

We've been hearing "Trump's really done now" continuously since before he was elected.  I'm getting sick of hearing that.
 
2020-06-06 3:35:53 PM  

pearls before swine: Mugato: qorkfiend: pearls before swine: qorkfiend: pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.

"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?

He isn't 30 points behind.  Remember where he was with respect to Hillary before the election.  People thought she was going to win in a landslide.  If people think a sub-10 point Biden lead right now shows he's in serious trouble, they haven't been paying attention.

Biden is running significantly ahead of where Clinton was at this point, both nationally and at the state level.

This isn't 2016, son.

Yeah, I'm getting tired of hearing about 2016, even though I agree that everyone needs to vote no matter how in the bag they think this is. But all the polls did was report both of their popularity. It didn't predict how many people would actually vote and it didn't predict the actual electoral college vote.

So by that metric, the polls were correct, Hillary did win the popular vote. It's just that very few people voted at all and Hillary lost a couple key states by a razor thin margin. So yes, everyone needs to go vote but I'm also tired of hearing, "Trump was behind in 2016 too and he won". The situation is a lot different now.


Yeah, the situation is a lot different.  Trump has proven himself to be a fascist, causing great harm to our nation, and actively at war with the majority of Americans.

And he's behind by less than 10 points.

We've been hearing "Trump's really done now" continuously since before he was elected.  I'm getting sick of hearing that.


You don't really need a reminder that the popular vote is worthless, right?
 
2020-06-06 3:38:49 PM  
The only poll I care about is on 11/4/20.  All other polls are just noise and should be treated as such.  GO VOTE.  Don't rely on polls to tell you who is winning.
 
2020-06-06 3:44:33 PM  

Mugato: Everyone knows public polling is notoriously wrong about President Trump.

I sure hope Trump's approval isn't that high.

November is an eternity from now. All Trump has to do is show a slight uptick in the economy, scare people into thinking that it's a bad idea to change Presidents while the country is on fire, announce that a cure for the virus is being tested and will be available on November 4th and sound just a little Presidential. That last part might require an imposter to play him but all that other stuff along with the shady shiat they're already planning and it's four more years.

Biden has to go negative. Don't let people forget what a shiatty President and human Trump is. That was one of Hillary's mistakes, she didn't attack Trump's character. And suck up to the shiat kickin' hicks because they have more representation than NY and CA.


Biden doesn't have to go massively negative, the anti-Trump republicans are doing it better than any Democrat could. He is better off being seen as a positive choice.
 
2020-06-06 4:08:33 PM  
*adjusts tinfoil hat* As long as we count on electronic voting machines with no practical way to recount votes, expect trump to do extremely well on election day.
 
2020-06-06 4:15:03 PM  

Ken S.: Biden doesn't have to go massively negative, the anti-Trump republicans are doing it better than any Democrat could. He is better off being seen as a positive choice.


Not massively negative but people do have to be reminded of shiat constantly. If Hillary just asked Trump about the logistics of his Wall during a debate, Trump would have lost his shiat. Things like that.
 
2020-06-06 4:18:06 PM  

gadian: *adjusts tinfoil hat* As long as we count on electronic voting machines with no practical way to recount votes, expect trump to do extremely well on election day.


Good thing lots and lots of people will be voting by mail this year
 
2020-06-06 4:40:41 PM  
Let me know when they say that they've lost. Then I'll celebrate.
 
2020-06-06 4:44:11 PM  

browneye: Let me know when they say that they've lost. Then I'll celebrate.


They don't need to acknowledge that they've lost
 
2020-06-06 4:46:48 PM  
Any change to https://electoral-vote.com today.. ah.  A new poll says Biden and Trump are exactly tied in Texas.

So, that's 368 electoral votes for Biden, 38 tied, and 132 for Trump.
 
2020-06-06 4:49:54 PM  
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2020-06-06 5:13:57 PM  
I had seen a quote from a reporter that sources in Trump's campaign were surprised at how well Trump was polling.

Here's the gist of it: with the protests, pandemic, and scattered economy, Trump's numbers should be CRATERING, and they're not. He is behind in all polls, but the standard concensus is he should be doing far worse. This has given the Trump team a reason to hope, and vexed pundits on the left.

That being said, Trump is trailing in all polls.

The reason his numbers are so good (considering they aren't 15 points lower) is because he is the right wing's dark avatar. He is the lightning rod for all their disgust with the left. They also know that no other conservative politician could do remotely as well in staving off defeat as Trump has. It's a bizarre circular reasoning effect. The base goes all in for Trump because he hasn't crumbled, and he hasn't crumbled, because the base has gone all in on him.

But therein lies the problem of his re-electibility. His base isn't peeling away very fast, but he's not gaining either. The things that keep his base (constant attacking, thinly veiled racism, self aggrandizement) are the things that alienate everyone else. What Trump's campaign people are hoping for: Trump never backs down (keeps the base together) and the United States approaches a semblance of normality... the protests die down, the pandemic held in check, and people return to work. The winning formula for Trump has always been to take credit for any positive news.

Initially, the rioting gave Trump a bump, because when the shiat hits the fan, the middle and the right want to see violence quelled. Trump was talking tough, and the Democrats were talking scary, saying that this was just about protests. That switched when the rioting part faded and the protesting part grew. Now Trump will continue to desperately take credit for getting the violence in order and "solving" racial injustice while simultaneously blaming liberals for making a big mess and generally being unruly.

TL/DR; Trump should be doing worse but has a fading chance of doing better.
 
2020-06-06 5:42:42 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: . . . the pandemic held in check . . .


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Here's my state of Utah's chart, updated with today's numbers. 546 new cases today. We're currently clocking in, over the past 3-4 days, at about double the rate we were just a week ago.

And testing hasn't had a similar spike. We have a cumulative 5% confirmed positive rate with testing. Yesterday's rate was 18.5%. If you are testing more people, not just those already symptomatic or with known close contact, and your positive percent is going up, you got a real problem. 

I hope it's an anomaly. But my best guess is that Trump's red states are about to cross over into a world of virus-induced hurt.
 
2020-06-06 5:47:45 PM  
This ain't new. He was saying things like "it's rigged," to brace for defeat back in 2016.
 
2020-06-06 5:49:02 PM  

anuran: But the gerrymandering, voter suppression, hackers, as "lost" ballots will take care of that


I'm going to vote. And I've decided to help if some dangerous idiots decide to try and intimate people while voting.  Im sure it'll happen here in Texas. I fully expect the fascists to try and pull crap on the day of voting.
 
2020-06-06 5:49:28 PM  
Is there a widespread belief anywhere on the right that regards someone as an unhinged liberal if they dare to assert that Trump's re-election prospects are not the brightest right now?
 
2020-06-06 5:50:57 PM  
Good. Continue to lose harder.

Don't believe an ounce from that asshole. Keep voting.
 
2020-06-06 5:51:37 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: JohnnyApocalypse: . . . the pandemic held in check . . .

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Here's my state of Utah's chart, updated with today's numbers. 546 new cases today. We're currently clocking in, over the past 3-4 days, at about double the rate we were just a week ago.

And testing hasn't had a similar spike. We have a cumulative 5% confirmed positive rate with testing. Yesterday's rate was 18.5%. If you are testing more people, not just those already symptomatic or with known close contact, and your positive percent is going up, you got a real problem. 

I hope it's an anomaly. But my best guess is that Trump's red states are about to cross over into a world of virus-induced hurt.


Reality doesn't matter if the spin is good enough
 
2020-06-06 5:52:03 PM  
Even Trump was shocked that he won. He had no idea that there was that much cheating going on to benefit him.
 
2020-06-06 5:53:18 PM  
So we should expect another "Russia, if you're listening..." moment?
 
2020-06-06 5:54:01 PM  
Mugato:That was one of Hillary's mistakes, she didn't attack Trump's character. And suck up to the shiat kickin' hicks because they have more representation than NY and CA.

Joe has an ace in the hole when it comes to shiatkickers:


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2020-06-06 5:54:01 PM  
Sounds like this election is in the bag, then. Now I can stay home on election day and watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
 
2020-06-06 5:56:33 PM  
Don't care.

/VOTE
 
2020-06-06 5:56:50 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: JohnnyApocalypse: . . . the pandemic held in check . . .

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Here's my state of Utah's chart, updated with today's numbers. 546 new cases today. We're currently clocking in, over the past 3-4 days, at about double the rate we were just a week ago.

And testing hasn't had a similar spike. We have a cumulative 5% confirmed positive rate with testing. Yesterday's rate was 18.5%. If you are testing more people, not just those already symptomatic or with known close contact, and your positive percent is going up, you got a real problem. 

I hope it's an anomaly. But my best guess is that Trump's red states are about to cross over into a world of virus-induced hurt.


I think the economy will uptick... until the next set of pandemic lockdowns. I celebrate these protests, but there's no denying they eill exacerbate what was already a foolish decision to open up too soon.

Few seem to get that "open up" doesn't mean stop social distancing, wearing a mask, or scrubbing the skin off your hands.

I do hope the protests don't settle into a short term cycle of public shaming and then fade away. There's some good measures out between cities and businesses, but we need laws on the books to keep the justice ball rolling.
 
2020-06-06 5:57:11 PM  

LadySusan: It's just a grift to get donation money.


This.
They've borrowed one of the Talibangelical's favourite scams........We NEED your money or GAWD will take me HOME!  Send us the equivalent of next month's rent and GAWD will bless you!   Also MISSIONS and BIBLES and such like that there.  SEND CASH/CHEQUE/MONEY ORDER OR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION!!!  Save US so we can save YOU!
Change the religion-speak to political-speak and Voila!
 
2020-06-06 5:58:22 PM  
Just. F*cking. Vote.
 
2020-06-06 5:58:50 PM  
My thoughts from two in the morning today:

I'm pretty terrified of William Barr's new secret police force and all those red state National Guard troops setting up in DC concurrent with a new perimeter wall around their fortress the White House.  It's especially scary when you consider how in 2016 Trump already told us how he'd react to the election (if he wins, he won; if he loses, it was rigged).

They've already tear gassed peaceful protestors before an announced curfew, all for a disingenuous photo op. I worry that this is an opportunity for a test run for whatever happens after Tuesday, November 3, 2020.

I'll leave it there, but end with VOTE, YOU FARKING ASSHOLES
 
2020-06-06 5:58:58 PM  

qorkfiend: pearls before swine: Elegy: Never underestimate the power of the democrats to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Biden should be leading 65-35.  At least.  I would say Trump is winning, and there's a good change he'll carry it.

"Trump is winning" based on...what, exactly?


The mitosis rate of an irritated conservative.  I think such a phenomenon occurs every two days but due to excessive heat, indignation over protests, and beer sales, reproductive rates are up.
 
2020-06-06 5:59:22 PM  

Clarence Brown: Well, if the election were held tomorrow.

But that was interesting information about the informed polls. That last kind of poll ("Biden is in favor of open borders, forced abortions, legalizing bestiality, and making America communist. Trump is saving America from socialism. Who do you support?") I thought was called a "push-poll." We have a landline, so we get them all the time.


Yeah, we get push polls all the time. The best one we got here was in the Walker/Evers election (Wisconsin). It started out normally, you know, are you going to vote, do you think Walker is doing a good job (no) blah blah. Then they hit you "Evers has proposed a 6 dollar a gallon gas tax, do you support that?" Evers never did any such thing of course, but the idea of a push poll is to get you invested in the poll, then push some false info on you in the questions.
 
2020-06-06 5:59:53 PM  
Trump won't win. There would be a revolution and the powers that be realize that now. I like Biden, but my wish is that he chooses Warren or Abrams as his VP, then resigns the day after Fat Boy gets the boot.
 
2020-06-06 6:01:37 PM  

browneye: Let me know when they say that they've lost. Then I'll celebrate.


I'm not gonna celebrate until Dems throw the book at the GOP (and clean house internally).

Then we'll only have the greatest challenge in human history on our plates.

/anthropogenic global warming: the biggest farking deal ever
 
2020-06-06 6:01:42 PM  
HORSE RACE!!!!
 
2020-06-06 6:03:33 PM  
The Greedy Old Pedophiles are aggressively robocalling in battleground States talking up how Lil Donnie's quick and courageous action beat the pandemic and saved millions of lives. The Democrats are following their 2016 playbook and doing jack-shiat
 
2020-06-06 6:09:13 PM  
Don Jr. has been posting that Biden is a pedophile.  And that's just their opening gambit.  It will go down from here.

I imagine that's what they mean by a defined Joe Biden.
 
2020-06-06 6:09:59 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: HORSE RACE!!!!


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2020-06-06 6:10:15 PM  
As far as I can tell, the Trump campaign includes every friggin political appointee hired and fired from the governmnet in the past 3 years.   No other president has ever blantantly begun campaigning hours after the noon inauguration.

When the notoriously unmarked riot "police" in DC start wearing trump  2020 patches the press will consider it completely normal, given their last half decade of pandering.
 
2020-06-06 6:10:41 PM  

hammettman: Don Jr. has been posting that Biden is a pedophile.  And that's just their opening gambit.  It will go down from here.

I imagine that's what they mean by a defined Joe Biden.


Didn't Don Sr. rape at least four children?
 
2020-06-06 6:11:04 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Clarence Brown: Well, if the election were held tomorrow.

But that was interesting information about the informed polls. That last kind of poll ("Biden is in favor of open borders, forced abortions, legalizing bestiality, and making America communist. Trump is saving America from socialism. Who do you support?") I thought was called a "push-poll." We have a landline, so we get them all the time.

Yeah, we get push polls all the time. The best one we got here was in the Walker/Evers election (Wisconsin). It started out normally, you know, are you going to vote, do you think Walker is doing a good job (no) blah blah. Then they hit you "Evers has proposed a 6 dollar a gallon gas tax, do you support that?" Evers never did any such thing of course, but the idea of a push poll is to get you invested in the poll, then push some false info on you in the questions.


I'd respond yes to the gas price question and then get on my own soap box about how the gas prices would discourage drivers, global climate change, health issues, fuel inefficiency, etc.

I really do enjoy farking with telephone solicitors.
 
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