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2020-06-05 4:39:06 PM  
This would have been a much more compelling read back when toilet paper was scarce.
 
2020-06-05 4:46:23 PM  
Instead of letting Amazon use coronavirus to dominate even more of the economy, the company should be nationalized and reoriented to serve the public good instead of predatory capitalism.

Wow, I didn't even make it eight seconds.

What a turrible rodeo.
 
2020-06-05 4:57:30 PM  
(DRTFA, as usual).

I could see maybe breaking it up like AT&T. But, as long as a) there is a Walmart and b) we have our current lot of purchased politicians and SCOTUS, I'd say that's about as likely as me being the next Superbowl winning QB.
 
2020-06-05 5:14:24 PM  

Nick Nostril: (DRTFA, as usual).

I could see maybe breaking it up like AT&T. But, as long as a) there is a Walmart and b) we have our current lot of purchased politicians and SCOTUS, I'd say that's about as likely as me being the next Superbowl winning QB.


Amazon isn't a utility... On top of that, they did a pretty good job of fighting price gouging. I don't like how Amazon is spreading its tendrils into every aspect of my life, but they aren't anything more than somewhere to buy products. AT&T was the only place to get telephone service, which is the difference.
 
2020-06-05 5:15:42 PM  
Donald Trump is writing for that rag now?

Huh.
 
2020-06-05 5:26:36 PM  
nationalize.   just a fancy word for stealing.  ya lets just steal something that isn't ours.  what are you a commie subby?
 
2020-06-05 5:37:18 PM  

Mikey1969: Nick Nostril: (DRTFA, as usual).

I could see maybe breaking it up like AT&T. But, as long as a) there is a Walmart and b) we have our current lot of purchased politicians and SCOTUS, I'd say that's about as likely as me being the next Superbowl winning QB.

Amazon isn't a utility... On top of that, they did a pretty good job of fighting price gouging. I don't like how Amazon is spreading its tendrils into every aspect of my life, but they aren't anything more than somewhere to buy products. AT&T was the only place to get telephone service, which is the difference.


They might as well be a utility. With the corporate tax benefits that exist now for mega corporations, small business is at an extreme disadvantage before you even factor in things like buying power and the money that can be spent on marketing. As it is, our version of "capitalism" is discouraging competition, and even if that doesn't result in price increases it certainly hurts innovation. Look at how far the US lags behind other countries for things like broadband internet or innovative commerce.
 
2020-06-05 5:49:01 PM  
So, we're angry Amazon got even bigger when everyone was told to stay at home as much as possible for months on end.  I mean, did people think we WEREN'T going to lean hard on Amazon for shopping?
 
2020-06-05 5:49:39 PM  
Then we'll change the name of the country to Venezuela.
 
2020-06-05 6:11:29 PM  

Mikey1969: Nick Nostril: (DRTFA, as usual).

I could see maybe breaking it up like AT&T. But, as long as a) there is a Walmart and b) we have our current lot of purchased politicians and SCOTUS, I'd say that's about as likely as me being the next Superbowl winning QB.

Amazon isn't a utility... On top of that, they did a pretty good job of fighting price gouging. I don't like how Amazon is spreading its tendrils into every aspect of my life, but they aren't anything more than somewhere to buy products. AT&T was the only place to get telephone service, which is the difference.


Understood, and I had a pretty big qualifier on what was really kind of an offhand comment. My biggest issue with Amazon is the fact they don't pay taxes and their CEO doesn't pay anywhere near enough. A company like Amazon who wouldn't be in business without the vast infrastructure this country has, and doesn't pay a dime in tax? That's the Webster's of horse shiat.
 
2020-06-05 6:14:59 PM  

mattgsx: Mikey1969: Nick Nostril: (DRTFA, as usual).

I could see maybe breaking it up like AT&T. But, as long as a) there is a Walmart and b) we have our current lot of purchased politicians and SCOTUS, I'd say that's about as likely as me being the next Superbowl winning QB.

Amazon isn't a utility... On top of that, they did a pretty good job of fighting price gouging. I don't like how Amazon is spreading its tendrils into every aspect of my life, but they aren't anything more than somewhere to buy products. AT&T was the only place to get telephone service, which is the difference.

They might as well be a utility. With the corporate tax benefits that exist now for mega corporations, small business is at an extreme disadvantage before you even factor in things like buying power and the money that can be spent on marketing. As it is, our version of "capitalism" is discouraging competition, and even if that doesn't result in price increases it certainly hurts innovation. Look at how far the US lags behind other countries for things like broadband internet or innovative commerce.


What innovative commerce are we missing?  Japanese vending machines?

Yes, they should be paying taxes on profits.

Prior to Amazon, if you needed something 'weird', you'd have to search around, mail order it, and wait for 2-4 weeks to get it, assuming you could find it.

If you lived in a mid sized city you could shop Sears, Montgomery Ward, and the local IGA and the local hardware store.  The prices were a lot higher unless you wanted to wait 2 weeks for the Sears store to get have it delivered to the store for your pickup.  The Sears might be 1500 square feet.

Walmart wiped all of that out by offering decent prices and a selection that was 10x what everyone else had.  Now Amazon is wiping out Walmart.  In 10-20 years, someone will wipe out Amazon.
 
2020-06-05 6:51:18 PM  

Nick Nostril: Mikey1969: Nick Nostril: (DRTFA, as usual).

I could see maybe breaking it up like AT&T. But, as long as a) there is a Walmart and b) we have our current lot of purchased politicians and SCOTUS, I'd say that's about as likely as me being the next Superbowl winning QB.

Amazon isn't a utility... On top of that, they did a pretty good job of fighting price gouging. I don't like how Amazon is spreading its tendrils into every aspect of my life, but they aren't anything more than somewhere to buy products. AT&T was the only place to get telephone service, which is the difference.

Understood, and I had a pretty big qualifier on what was really kind of an offhand comment. My biggest issue with Amazon is the fact they don't pay taxes and their CEO doesn't pay anywhere near enough. A company like Amazon who wouldn't be in business without the vast infrastructure this country has, and doesn't pay a dime in tax? That's the Webster's of horse shiat.


Yeah, that ALWAYS pisses me off... GE does it, too. They end up, at the end of the year, not paying any farking taxes. I don't care how many "jobs you provide", corporations and wealthy individuals get away with paying far too little in taxes, and the burden falls on the average American. It sucks, taxes are what help keep the country running, and we could do so much more if people didn't go to such ridiculous lengths to avoid them.
 
2020-06-05 6:53:59 PM  

ltdanman44: nationalize.   just a fancy word for stealing.  ya lets just steal something that isn't ours.  what are you a commie subby?


Depends: you can do it in America if you repay what its worth.  Of course Amazon is worth 1.2 Trillion smackeroos, it would be easily as expensive as a decade at war with Iraq and Afghanistan, or perhaps a decade of Bush tax cuts.  I doubt anyone would accept buying Amazon at MSRP.
 
2020-06-05 7:04:32 PM  
I once thought about this idea, but in the end better tax laws and regulations can deliever the same benefits without having another government system to keep up to date.
 
2020-06-05 7:20:16 PM  
The biggest argument for not nationalizing ANYTHING is how badly the government farks up everything it touches.
 
2020-06-05 7:32:51 PM  
Of all the insanely stupid things written on Jacobin, this is basically about average.
 
2020-06-05 7:47:25 PM  
Trump would burn it to the ground out of spite because of the Washington Post saying mean things about him.
 
2020-06-05 7:53:29 PM  
By Paris Marx

Author's name checks out.
 
2020-06-05 8:11:09 PM  
*yawn* Call me when when there's an Amazon nation. There's an idea that'll have legs.
 
2020-06-05 10:05:26 PM  
First of all, no.  Just no.

Second, if you did nationalize Amazon, all you would be doing is giving Jared Kushner a way to funnel tens of millions of dollars per day to the grifters in the White House.
 
2020-06-05 10:29:30 PM  
There's an idea. It could be argued that as the re-seller or seller-on of the goods and services of thousands, perhaps millions of small companies, it is a public market-place, therefore a marketplace, therefore a ripe and ready target for government control, intervention and supervision. In other words, it belongs to the public and should not be a private monopoly or monopsony because there is no public, national or social benefit in having retail or wholesale in the hands of plutocratic interests rather than the nation and the People. Read your Constitution, pay-ple. If it isn't specifically granted to the Feds, it belongs to the States and the People. But the Feds regulate and control international and inter-state commerce by the Constitution.

SO NATIONALIZE AWAY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, ALL OF THE TIME, EVERYWHERE.
 
2020-06-06 6:17:37 AM  
If they're not paying taxes, how about rewriting the tax code rather than nationalizing it and putting your buddies in charge? That option has worked very poorly in Venezuala, and Cuba, and everywhere else it has been tried.
 
2020-06-06 12:26:20 PM  

Not_Todd: If they're not paying taxes, how about rewriting the tax code rather than nationalizing it and putting your buddies in charge? That option has worked very poorly in Venezuala, and Cuba, and everywhere else it has been tried.


Yeah I'd rather see the tax code get redone so off shore and other hide-e-holes get nixed. Especially for companies and people who make more in an hour then 99% of the people in the country make in a year. Those people need to pay up more.
 
2020-06-06 5:15:56 PM  
The gubmint makes for a good referee, but a lousy coach. Better for it to regulate than to run things.

Paris, dear, even your namesake Karl wasn't so pie in the sky optimistic. You didn't once mention any of the pitfalls experienced by past attempts at nationalization, and he didn't have the benefit of hindsight.
 
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