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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1989, a brutal, repressive regime massacred its own citizens in the name of power. Welp, it's a good thing we all learned our lessons from that and it'll never repeat   (history.com) divider line
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2020-06-04 2:09:00 PM  
"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it," Trump said. "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak." - Your Electoral College winner.
 
2020-06-04 7:15:42 PM  
I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.
 
2020-06-04 9:25:59 PM  

kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.


It was.
 
2020-06-04 9:29:58 PM  
Riot control=massacre now?  Or are you speaking to us from a dystopian future of your own nightmares?
 
2020-06-04 9:30:16 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.

It was.


I could've sworn I read somewhere that Bush Sr. and Pete Wilson hesitated to call in troops for the 1992 riots b/c they knew it would look like Tienanmen.
 
2020-06-04 9:31:39 PM  
 
2020-06-04 9:35:31 PM  
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2020-06-04 9:35:48 PM  

kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.


Yeah, it was.  Sadly it was not enough to actually change much.  Communism is a bit harsh on those that like to speak out.

If you like dark humor, old Soviet jokes are the best.

Q: Is it true that there is freedom of speech in the USSR, just like in the USA?
A: Yes. In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House in Washington, DC, and yell, "Down with Ronald Reagan", and you will not be punished. Equally, you can also stand in Red Square in Moscow and yell, "Down with Ronald Reagan",and you will not be punished.
 
2020-06-04 9:40:10 PM  

kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.


I remember being in awe of tank guy, and realizing that I was 23 years old and would never, ever be that brave in my lifetime.
 
2020-06-04 9:40:56 PM  
Pompeo stands with them. YLM
 
2020-06-04 9:41:15 PM  
An ignorant cop killing a handcuffed prisoner vs a government running over it's college aged citizens with tanks. Yeah that's the same thing.
 
2020-06-04 9:42:40 PM  

alex10294: Riot control=massacre now?


"This guy gets it." -- His Excellency Xi Jinping
 
2020-06-04 9:43:53 PM  
CSB: I accidentally said today was June 5, and my Chinese boss said "no, it's June 4. Today is the anniversary of Tiananmen Square."
She had just come to America. Today Chinese students studying in America refuse to believe what happened
 
2020-06-04 9:47:35 PM  

Trik: An ignorant cop killing a handcuffed prisoner vs a government running over it's college aged citizens with tanks. Yeah that's the same thing.


No, those two are not comparable. A closer comparison is POTUS champing at the bit to send in the military to squash protesters.

/Try again
 
2020-06-04 9:48:39 PM  
Well, the United States sure surrendered any moral high ground we once held. Any criticism we stated now would only be hypocrisy.

I'm ashamed of what you've done to our country, Trump.
 
2020-06-04 9:50:41 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: alex10294: Riot control=massacre now?

"This guy gets it." -- His Excellency Xi Jinping


Why stop at massacre. Riot control is clearly genocide?
 
2020-06-04 9:52:15 PM  

SBinRR: I remember being in awe of tank guy, and realizing that I was 23 years old and would never, ever be that brave in my lifetime.


If you live in the US or any western country, there is no need to be this brave when going voicing your opinion against these kinds of regressive regimes.

The Lubyanka, Tianamen Square, and Killing Fields are not generally a 'thing' here.
 
2020-06-04 9:52:20 PM  
Rich Lowry wrote this just the other day on National Review:

Yes, Meet Rioters with Overwhelming Force

Restoring order to America's cities isn't a complicated proposition.

All it requires is resources and determination and a firm rejection of the longstanding progressive fallacy that an overwhelming police presence is "provocative" and "escalatory" and must be avoided.

As has been established across decades of civil disturbances, it is police passivity that emboldens mobs. When the cops stand by or don't show up or, even worse, run away, it is a permission slip for destruction.


So, yes, lessons have been learned from Tiananmen.  Overwhelming force.
 
2020-06-04 9:52:37 PM  

edmo: "When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it," Trump said. "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak." - Your Electoral College winner.


He ain't wrong. The Communists are still fat and happy 31 years later, with plenty of American businesses all too willing to bend the knee.

We like to kid ourselves that tyrants inevitably get what's coming to them. They don't, typically. They die in fabulous wealth, with hundreds of millions safely squirreled away, and hand-picked successors ready and eager to continue the atrocities.

Millions of Mao's old goons are enjoying comfortable retirements still.
 
2020-06-04 9:53:20 PM  

honk: Well, the United States sure surrendered any moral high ground we once held. Any criticism we stated now would only be hypocrisy.

I'm ashamed of what you've done to our country, Trump.


While our moral high ground may not be quite what it could be, it is still miles ahead of many of the communist regimes.
 
2020-06-04 9:56:59 PM  

Gulper Eel: The Communists are still fat and happy 31 years later,


Which ones?  the ones in Cuba and Venezuela are not all that fat and happy.

China?  Only if you toe the party line.  Those Turkic Muslims, Uyghurs and ethnic Kazakhs are not so happy right now.
 
2020-06-04 9:58:09 PM  

hershy799: Trik: An ignorant cop killing a handcuffed prisoner vs a government running over it's college aged citizens with tanks. Yeah that's the same thing.

No, those two are not comparable. A closer comparison is POTUS champing at the bit to send in the military to squash protesters.

/Try again


Things keep burning, it'll probably happen.
It's not unprecedented.
 
2020-06-04 10:00:17 PM  
Well, of course.

That biatch killed Nei, then merged with Dark Force AFTER blowing up Parma.

/Yeah. That was 31 years ago, too.
//Jesus, I'm old.
///Bonus points for not Googling the answer.
 
2020-06-04 10:01:59 PM  
If the likes of AOC are successful subby may one day get his wish.

History?  Why the fark would people wan't to learn about that shait?
 
2020-06-04 10:03:50 PM  
ya coming close to 11 months of protest in hong kong and ccp has not even said once that they are going to send the army, they did want to send a lot of riot police at one point but they didnt't (at least officially )

trump and cotton on the other hand wanted to send the army to dominate the streets on what like day 3 ?

but ya TS was terribly mismanaged 31 years ago and should not be repeated... anywhere.

at least 2020 america is not yet at 1989 China level of authoritarianism and some people stood up to trump.
 
2020-06-04 10:07:43 PM  

HeadLever: China?  Only if you toe the party line.  Those Turkic Muslims, Uyghurs and ethnic Kazakhs are not so happy right now.


They don't get Party benefits. Those are only for a select few.
 
2020-06-04 10:08:59 PM  
I's a bit weathered from the decades, but I still have a bumper sticker on my trailer's sliding glass door, with Tank Guy and the words "We Stand With Him."

But even then, I read and heard other Americans say that perhaps we shouldn't condemn the Chinese, that maybe it was just what we would do with unruly, spoiled, protesting youths. Needless to say, they thought the Kent State massacre was a good thing.

That was when I realized just how far we'd fallen, morally.
 
2020-06-04 10:09:33 PM  
(S)erious (S)pace force is knocking.
 
2020-06-04 10:17:03 PM  
I met a Chinese journalist/documentary filmmaker at a local bar last year.  She was traveling and seeing the sights.  We got to talking about human rights, and she told me *like she was sharing a secret* that she knew about the Tiananmen Square massacre.
 
2020-06-04 10:19:23 PM  

Jedekai: Well, of course.

That biatch killed Nei, then merged with Dark Force AFTER blowing up Parma.

/Yeah. That was 31 years ago, too.
//Jesus, I'm old.
///Bonus points for not Googling the answer.


I really do need to finish PSII.  I remember playing it a little bit when it was on Sega Channel, but never got far.
 
2020-06-04 10:34:30 PM  

SBinRR: kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.

I remember being in awe of tank guy, and realizing that I was 23 years old and would never, ever be that brave in my lifetime.


Here's a rarely seen angle of that moment. He stood there for a fairly long time thinking about what he was doing while watching the tanks roll down on him. Balls of steel or a conviction that few have these days...
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2020-06-04 10:35:14 PM  

kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.


Well, there was a Joan Baez song, so I guess it was a pretty big deal :)

"And the emperor has his back against the wall", she sang.   What, the Great Wall?  China's still an oppressive regime.  Let's hope Trump's wall isn't as strong.

I'm listening to it again because it's been a while.

"In the month of June,
In the darkness of the moon
Went the descendants of a hundred flowers
"

I was too ignorant to catch the Hundred Flowers reference when it came out.

Joan Baez : China
Youtube -JTWXqUPQ7I
 
2020-06-04 10:35:24 PM  

alex10294: Olympic Trolling Judge: alex10294: Riot control=massacre now?

"This guy gets it." -- His Excellency Xi Jinping

Why stop at massacre. Riot control is clearly genocide?


The fark are you babbling on about?  Do you even know what happened in Tiananmen Square.
 
2020-06-04 10:41:44 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: If the likes of AOC are successful subby may one day get his wish.

History?  Why the fark would people wan't to learn about that shait?


AOC agrees with Trump and wants to sick the military on protesters?
 
2020-06-04 10:45:31 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: For another depressing massacre:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Spr​ings_massacre


Today Rock Springs has some pretty good Chinese food.  Just saying.
 
2020-06-04 10:51:53 PM  
CSB... I was in China last year on the 30th anniversary, and during lunch with my colleagues the subject came up. I was surprised at how many of them felt free to comment on it, even if everything was somewhat cryptic. But one of our younger colleagues chimed in... "what are you guys talking about?" She literally had no idea; if not for us older folks, she would have never known what happened.
 
2020-06-04 11:05:38 PM  

Trik: An ignorant cop killing a handcuffed prisoner vs a government running over it's college aged citizens with tanks. Yeah that's the same thing.


Totes
 
2020-06-04 11:06:50 PM  

BretMavrik: CSB... I was in China last year on the 30th anniversary, and during lunch with my colleagues the subject came up. I was surprised at how many of them felt free to comment on it, even if everything was somewhat cryptic. But one of our younger colleagues chimed in... "what are you guys talking about?" She literally had no idea; if not for us older folks, she would have never known what happened.


No shiat. Ask someone under 25 about the first Iraqi war.
 
2020-06-04 11:07:38 PM  

HeadLever: honk: Well, the United States sure surrendered any moral high ground we once held. Any criticism we stated now would only be hypocrisy.

I'm ashamed of what you've done to our country, Trump.

While our moral high ground may not be quite what it could be, it is still miles ahead of many of the communist regimes.


Higher ground by an inch is still higher ground
 
2020-06-04 11:15:00 PM  

chadd911: BretMavrik: CSB... I was in China last year on the 30th anniversary, and during lunch with my colleagues the subject came up. I was surprised at how many of them felt free to comment on it, even if everything was somewhat cryptic. But one of our younger colleagues chimed in... "what are you guys talking about?" She literally had no idea; if not for us older folks, she would have never known what happened.

No shiat. Ask someone under 25 about the first Iraqi war.


There was that sort of good Jake Gyllenhaal movie about it.
Wait, hold on... WTF is this shiat?
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2020-06-04 11:22:47 PM  

Gulper Eel: They die in fabulous wealth, with hundreds of millions safely squirreled away, and hand-picked successors ready and eager to continue the atrocities.


Yep.

When Castro came to power, the narrative was that Batista had massed a fortune of about 300 million dollars.

When Castro died, he was found to have massed a fortune of about 900 million.

/old boss, same as new boss
 
2020-06-04 11:25:51 PM  

Trocadero: chadd911: BretMavrik: CSB... I was in China last year on the 30th anniversary, and during lunch with my colleagues the subject came up. I was surprised at how many of them felt free to comment on it, even if everything was somewhat cryptic. But one of our younger colleagues chimed in... "what are you guys talking about?" She literally had no idea; if not for us older folks, she would have never known what happened.

No shiat. Ask someone under 25 about the first Iraqi war.

There was that sort of good Jake Gyllenhaal movie about it.
Wait, hold on... WTF is this shiat?
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Screw that.  Watch this instead.

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2020-06-04 11:26:33 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: Higher ground by an inch is still higher ground


I'd say it is closer to a mile than an inch.  Go read The Gulag Archipelago if you really want to know how bankrupt communism can get.  We are nowhere close to what they had to deal with.

/not to say that we are perfect.
 
2020-06-04 11:31:02 PM  

Gulper Eel: They don't get Party benefits. Those are only for a select few.


What do you mean select few?  Those that toe the party line get the party benefit of not being shot.
 
2020-06-04 11:42:59 PM  

edmo: "When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it," Trump said. "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak." - Your Electoral College winner.


Hmmm...I wonder what the difference here is. Could it be the buildings on fire and mass lootings? Nah?

Funny enough how it's also all in places dominated by Democrats and you're still wanting to drag Trump into local law enforcement.
 
2020-06-04 11:45:11 PM  

Gulper Eel: edmo: "When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it," Trump said. "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak." - Your Electoral College winner.

He ain't wrong. The Communists are still fat and happy 31 years later, with plenty of American businesses all too willing to bend the knee.

We like to kid ourselves that tyrants inevitably get what's coming to them. They don't, typically. They die in fabulous wealth, with hundreds of millions safely squirreled away, and hand-picked successors ready and eager to continue the atrocities.

Millions of Mao's old goons are enjoying comfortable retirements still.


Here's one that had a happier ending, just over 30 years ago.  The lesson being that you have to push all the way in and grab the son of a biatch.  Which is probably why Trump is building more fences:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol​a​e_Ceaușescu
 
2020-06-04 11:57:10 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: If the likes of AOC are successful subby may one day get his wish.

History?  Why the fark would people wan't to learn about that shait?


Who Smarted this?  Out yourselves.  I want names.
 
2020-06-05 12:04:20 AM  
HeadLever: If you like dark humor, old Soviet jokes are the best.


"Under Capitalism, Man exploits Man. But under Communism, it's the other way arround!"

/STILL rather be killing Communists
 
2020-06-05 12:06:50 AM  
HeadLever: When Castro came to power, the narrative was that Batista had massed a fortune of about 300 million dollars.

When Castro died, he was found to have massed a fortune of about 900 million.

/old boss, same as new boss


"Armas?  Por que?"
 
2020-06-05 1:20:48 AM  

HeadLever: kdawg7736: I was too young to remember this, this must have been big news then.

Yeah, it was.  Sadly it was not enough to actually change much.  Communism is a bit harsh on those that like to speak out.

If you like dark humor, old Soviet jokes are the best.

Q: Is it true that there is freedom of speech in the USSR, just like in the USA?
A: Yes. In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House in Washington, DC, and yell, "Down with Ronald Reagan", and you will not be punished. Equally, you can also stand in Red Square in Moscow and yell, "Down with Ronald Reagan",and you will not be punished.


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