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(The New York Times)   It's the end of college as we know it, and student loan borrowers aren't feeling fine   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-06-04 9:22:56 AM  
World's smallest violin.
 
2020-06-04 11:47:38 AM  
Can I get a Cliff's Notes version, please?  It's behind a paywall.
 
2020-06-04 11:52:32 AM  
You mean a system that's slashed to death by anti-education parties, only to be propped up by an ever-increasing level of debt by its attendees would face systematic collapse in the event of major economic hardship? Especially when exposed by a pandemic that murders attendance rates?

Noooooooooooo.
 
2020-06-04 11:56:34 AM  
REM approves of the headline.
 
2020-06-04 11:59:11 AM  

raerae1980: Can I get a Cliff's Notes version, please?  It's behind a paywall.


Yeah, I wasn't able to read it either. But I imagine the gist is something like non-prestigious or even semi-prestigious private colleges are farked while the large public universities (Michigan, Texas, Cal, etc) and places like the Ivy League schools, Stanford, Northwestern, etc will be just fine.
 
2020-06-04 12:36:19 PM  
English, Culture, and Philsophy are important- important enough that those who are experts in their respective fields should band together and create alternatives to the current wealth-sucking college structure.
 
2020-06-04 12:53:30 PM  

iamskibibitz: raerae1980: Can I get a Cliff's Notes version, please?  It's behind a paywall.

Yeah, I wasn't able to read it either. But I imagine the gist is something like non-prestigious or even semi-prestigious private colleges are farked while the large public universities (Michigan, Texas, Cal, etc) and places like the Ivy League schools, Stanford, Northwestern, etc will be just fine.


Oh they are all screwed. There will be few if any foreign students paying full tuition.
 
2020-06-04 5:58:25 PM  
Yeah... no.

You can't get a "virtual" biology degree, the amount of hands-on work is just too severe. If you did, you would be relinquished to being rejected by the vast majority of post-grad programs... which are already overbooked for the last two years... because we have a shortage of doctorate holders.

Ph.D. holders are very rare for biological (especially zoological) degrees. The lone exception is marine biology.
 
2020-06-04 9:04:17 PM  

Jedekai: Yeah... no.

You can't get a "virtual" biology degree, the amount of hands-on work is just too severe. If you did, you would be relinquished to being rejected by the vast majority of post-grad programs... which are already overbooked for the last two years... because we have a shortage of doctorate holders.

Ph.D. holders are very rare for biological (especially zoological) degrees. The lone exception is marine biology.


Because biology is hard work, yo.
 
2020-06-05 3:16:43 AM  

Jedekai: Yeah... no.

You can't get a "virtual" biology degree, the amount of hands-on work is just too severe. If you did, you would be relinquished to being rejected by the vast majority of post-grad programs... which are already overbooked for the last two years... because we have a shortage of doctorate holders.

Ph.D. holders are very rare for biological (especially zoological) degrees. The lone exception is marine biology.


Reality isn't preventing the schools from taking money from students and pretending on-line labs are adequate.
Both our students were switched to on-line classes this past semester including kid one's Biology, Organic Chemistry, and lab classes. Kid one, GPA 3.5, was pre-med, but now seems completely convinced that it's not possible for someone who had online labs to pass medical school.

Both kids have online classes in the summer and now there's a possibility classes will be online in the fall as well.

Kid two was studying for the GRE before they were sent home to on-line classes. Kid two has a 4.1 GPA  and was planning to get a doctoral degree in psychology. Now, kid two believes the on-line classes will act as a barrier to admission to a doctoral program.

Both kids are thinking of simply marching into the job market with undergrad degrees. They hear about the 20 - 25% unemployment, but I don't think they know how to process that. I think they're mentally calculating "cool, there's no way I won't be in the other 75 to 80%." They both are eyeballing brick and mortar retail work as well - at a time when retail is going away.

I wanted life to be better for them than it was for Generation X. I may as well have wished for my own stable of unicorns.
 
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