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2020-06-04 8:56:07 AM  
Wow, what a big dumb shiathead.  All bowed up like drunken fratboy at the bar.  This is a person who got into policing specifically for the legal right to hassle people.
 
2020-06-04 9:01:40 AM  
Investigation = we will review the video evidence and if it looks like you might loose a civil liberties case in court, because you got caught, we will have to suspend you for not being a sneaky little shiat.
 
2020-06-04 9:03:12 AM  
PDs are about to lose a ton of lawsuits
 
2020-06-04 9:13:03 AM  
He had 71 use of force cases on file - and that is just in the 4 years he was with Fort Lauderdale Police.  No telling how many while he was with Florida Highway Patrol.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/20​2​0/06/03/officer-accused-of-pushing-tee​n-during-protest-has-71-use-of-force-c​ases-on-file/
 
2020-06-04 9:13:54 AM  
Was this the jerk who already had 79 - seventy nine - excessive force complaints against him in 3-4 years?  If so he needs to be fired (out of a cannon into a pool of sharks) & never work in any form of law enforcement/position of power over others ever again.

One of the nationwide reforms that needs to be pushed through somehow is that there needs to be a mechanism in place to strip people of police powers nationwide for 'x' years ('x' being on a sliding scale from months to lifetime ban).  Otherwise this clown will accept his firing, look contrite for the two minutes that the cameras will be focused on him & then move one county down & get hired on there to go abuse 'their' citizens.
 
2020-06-04 9:36:58 AM  
So... paid leave?

Work on the tan?

Rough.
 
2020-06-04 9:38:54 AM  
Since this shiat is going on nationwide, is FL tag particularly applicable?
 
2020-06-04 9:40:33 AM  

Tracianne: He had 71 use of force cases on file - and that is just in the 4 years he was with Fort Lauderdale Police.  No telling how many while he was with Florida Highway Patrol.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/202​0/06/03/officer-accused-of-pushing-tee​n-during-protest-has-71-use-of-force-c​ases-on-file/


Hmm.. looks like he'll have to join Broward's Sheriffs department next.
 
2020-06-04 9:41:56 AM  
"We have investigated ourselves and determined that the only mistake that was made was getting caught."
 
2020-06-04 9:42:42 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Otherwise this clown will accept his firing, look contrite for the two minutes that the cameras will be focused on him & then move one county down & get hired on there to go abuse 'their' citizens.


Or the Police Union will sue and get the guy back on duty.
 
2020-06-04 9:43:25 AM  
Maglione said protesters had attacked a police car, jumping on it and breaking its windows. Pohorence and other officers responded to the initial distress call...
Jonothan DeCamps, a local photographer who witnessed the incident, said he did not see any police vehicles with their windows broken, or any officers in distress...
Pohorence's personnel file wasn't available Monday. Neither were body camera footage or police radio calls of the encounter
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Prove me wrong.  I'll wait.
 
2020-06-04 9:43:34 AM  
OUTSTANDING!

Seems the protest ARE doing some good.
 
2020-06-04 9:44:41 AM  
Yes, crucify cop-bro.  But also give that other cop that farking gives him hell up one side and down the other and then reported him to the supervisor a farking promotion.  She looked like that wasn't the first time she'd had to tell that particular shiathead off, and she's probably quietly saved the city millions just by having her head on straight.
 
2020-06-04 9:46:20 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: PDs are about to lose a ton of lawsuits


Indeed. As someone pointed out here the other day (I'm sorry I don't remember the poster to credit them), juries are going to look at cops and their word much differently...
 
2020-06-04 9:48:03 AM  
The cop with 79 previous incidents of excessive force?  Does he get promoted after #80?
 
2020-06-04 9:49:22 AM  
Good! More of this. Wake me when they do the same to all of the police officers who used tear gas on a peaceful crowd and attacked journalists, EMTs, and priests all so Trump could have an awkward photo op.
 
2020-06-04 9:50:30 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Was this the jerk who already had 79 - seventy nine - excessive force complaints against him in 3-4 years?s will be focused on him & then move one county down & get hired on there to go abuse 'their' citizens.



Amazing that he hasn't shot anyone yet.

-According to Internal Affairs investigators, there have been at least 51 incidents in which Pohorence has drawn his gun.

-His personnel file shows an allegation of unnecessary force and false arrest was made

-In each case, he was not found to be in violation of department policy.
 
2020-06-04 9:51:34 AM  
"Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd."


One asshole cop caused all that.

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2020-06-04 9:52:34 AM  

rbuzby: The cop with 79 previous incidents of excessive force?  Does he get promoted after #80?


It's like those coffee cards where after 5 you get the next one for free, except in this case every assault is free.
 
2020-06-04 9:59:45 AM  
Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?
 
2020-06-04 10:00:51 AM  

thorpe: "Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd."

One asshole cop caused all that.



Seems like she may be well aware of his temperament and could tell he was about to lose it and do something really bad.
 
2020-06-04 10:06:44 AM  

thorpe: "Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd."

One asshole cop caused all that.

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He caused this to happen to this poor woman:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/p​r​otester-struck-by-officers-rubber-bull​et-during-fort-lauderdale-protest-spea​ks-out/2243552/
 
2020-06-04 10:07:27 AM  

Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?


If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.
 
2020-06-04 10:10:00 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Was this the jerk who already had 79 - seventy nine - excessive force complaints against him in 3-4 years?  If so he needs to be fired (out of a cannon into a pool of sharks) & never work in any form of law enforcement/position of power over others ever again.

One of the nationwide reforms that needs to be pushed through somehow is that there needs to be a mechanism in place to strip people of police powers nationwide for 'x' years ('x' being on a sliding scale from months to lifetime ban).  Otherwise this clown will accept his firing, look contrite for the two minutes that the cameras will be focused on him & then move one county down & get hired on there to go abuse 'their' citizens.


Imagine any other job where you're allowed to fark up this many times. Police "unions" need to go.
 
2020-06-04 10:11:06 AM  
I am from the future!  Since no laws changed and the union is still in place, Officer Dick has been cleared of all wrong doing and is reinstated with backpay and a promotion.
 
2020-06-04 10:12:53 AM  

Tracianne: thorpe: "Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd."

One asshole cop caused all that.

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He caused this to happen to this poor woman:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/pr​otester-struck-by-officers-rubber-bull​et-during-fort-lauderdale-protest-spea​ks-out/2243552/


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This is her just seconds before she got hit ...looks real scary just trying to get away from the tear gas.  There is more info in the Miami Herald but it won't let me link to that article
 
2020-06-04 10:14:04 AM  

BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.


1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.
 
2020-06-04 10:16:34 AM  

Tracianne: Tracianne: thorpe: "Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd."

One asshole cop caused all that.

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He caused this to happen to this poor woman:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/pr​otester-struck-by-officers-rubber-bull​et-during-fort-lauderdale-protest-spea​ks-out/2243552/

[Fark user image 850x477]This is her just seconds before she got hit ...looks real scary just trying to get away from the tear gas.  There is more info in the Miami Herald but it won't let me link to that article


Now imagine leveling a gun at her face and pulling the trigger.

Now imagine knowing that none of your "brothers" would ever rat you out, even if they thought that was a disgusting act.

Now imagine knowing that even if they did, which they never would, you would never lose your job over it.

Now imagine knowing that even if you did somehow lose your job over shooting a scared defenseless woman in the face for a laugh, you would never see the inside of a jail cell over it.

Now imagine leveling a gun at her face and pulling the trigger.
 
2020-06-04 10:18:23 AM  

RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.


5) civil suits are paid out of the pension fund.  Let's see how fast they hold each other accountable THEN.

6) national standards with national civilian enforcement.

I'm cagey about 3.  I'd prefer police have a union, but I'd prefer it be the SEIU.
 
2020-06-04 10:22:51 AM  

BeesNuts: RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.

5) civil suits are paid out of the pension fund.  Let's see how fast they hold each other accountable THEN.

6) national standards with national civilian enforcement.

I'm cagey about 3.  I'd prefer police have a union, but I'd prefer it be the SEIU.


7)  All cops at all times must be wearing items that clearly ID them from all angles and even from a camera 100 yards away.

8)  No knock warrants are banned for narcotics cases and any cases that do not involve kidnapping and the potential for immediate murder.

9)  Strict liability for all cops AND all judges who are involved in a no-knock warrant that goes bad.

If they don't fark up for a few decades then they can move to have their unions back.

That's another thing nobody talks about.  Even if we get everything we want the police WILL have advocacy and lobby groups trying to immediately dismantle it.  We need to acknowledge this counter force which is why we cannot accept half measures.
 
2020-06-04 10:26:58 AM  

BeesNuts: RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.

5) civil suits are paid out of the pension fund.  Let's see how fast they hold each other accountable THEN.

6) national standards with national civilian enforcement.

I'm cagey about 3.  I'd prefer police have a union, but I'd prefer it be the SEIU.


Yeah, #3 needs to be amended/removed.  The police do need some sort of union, 'however' it can't be a union of only police officers.  They can be part of a state/municipal workers union.  Most of the listed reforms seem to be (justifiably) aimed at the street level officer.  That leaves the supervisors, most of whom came up through the system that got us to where we are today.  They might want to shelter the bad cops & get rid of the new 'good' cops.  Without a union, the 'good' ones could easily be set up/hung out to dry.  With a union they still could but it would be harder to get rid of them (& easier to get rid of the proven 'bad' cops).

We also need reforms to weed out the bad supervisor/white shirts, which would be harder to do/define but are probably the levels where reforms really need to be made.
 
2020-06-04 10:29:28 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Was this the jerk who already had 79 - seventy nine - excessive force complaints against him in 3-4 years?  If so he needs to be fired (out of a cannon into a pool of sharks) & never work in any form of law enforcement/position of power over others ever again.

One of the nationwide reforms that needs to be pushed through somehow is that there needs to be a mechanism in place to strip people of police powers nationwide for 'x' years ('x' being on a sliding scale from months to lifetime ban).  Otherwise this clown will accept his firing, look contrite for the two minutes that the cameras will be focused on him & then move one county down & get hired on there to go abuse 'their' citizens.


And the step we too often miss is that his supervisor(s) need to be fired, too, for allowing him to continue to assault people.
 
2020-06-04 10:32:27 AM  

Recoil Therapy: BeesNuts: RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.

5) civil suits are paid out of the pension fund.  Let's see how fast they hold each other accountable THEN.

6) national standards with national civilian enforcement.

I'm cagey about 3.  I'd prefer police have a union, but I'd prefer it be the SEIU.

Yeah, #3 needs to be amended/removed.  The police do need some sort of union, 'however' it can't be a union of only police officers.  They can be part of a state/municipal workers union.  Most of the listed reforms seem to be (justifiably) aimed at the street level officer.  That leaves the supervisors, most of whom came up through the system that got us to where we are today.  They might want to shelter the bad cops & get rid of th ...


What you have written is rational and reasonable.  In fact, it is the very reason why police unions exist.  You are saying what was said decades ago.

Unfortunately, it fails to take into account history.  The police unions abuse their power in order to reinstall and protect the corrupt officers.  They lost their union privileges.

For crying out loud, due to the police unions the Coward of Broward, who sat outside behind a wall while some dickhead shot 18 students, one by one, was reinstated with backpay and a promotion.
 
2020-06-04 10:33:25 AM  

Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?


If you're talking about C12, I doubt he'd have much to say in support of this idiot.

OTOH, his relative silence during all of this has not gone unnoticed.
 
2020-06-04 10:35:46 AM  

BeesNuts: Yes, crucify cop-bro.  But also give that other cop that farking gives him hell up one side and down the other and then reported him to the supervisor a farking promotion.  She looked like that wasn't the first time she'd had to tell that particular shiathead off, and she's probably quietly saved the city millions just by having her head on straight.


I came here to say this.
 
2020-06-04 10:38:37 AM  
So you're saying he's up for a WH cabinet post?
 
2020-06-04 10:38:44 AM  

Tracianne: He had 71 use of force cases on file - and that is just in the 4 years he was with Fort Lauderdale Police.  No telling how many while he was with Florida Highway Patrol.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/202​0/06/03/officer-accused-of-pushing-tee​n-during-protest-has-71-use-of-force-c​ases-on-file/


This is the kind of prick that wouldn't be around if the cops had to carry insurance.

Or any kind of a real independent review board.
 
2020-06-04 10:39:54 AM  

Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?


I don't get this...

Known idiot says stupid shiat.
Other Farkers complain that Drew tolerates this shiat.

Known idiot isn't there to say stupid shiat.
Other Farkers complain that idiots are not there...

Shouldn't you be relieved they aren't here to say their stupid shiat?
 
2020-06-04 10:43:26 AM  

RussianPotato: Recoil Therapy: BeesNuts: RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.

5) civil suits are paid out of the pension fund.  Let's see how fast they hold each other accountable THEN.

6) national standards with national civilian enforcement.

I'm cagey about 3.  I'd prefer police have a union, but I'd prefer it be the SEIU.

Yeah, #3 needs to be amended/removed.  The police do need some sort of union, 'however' it can't be a union of only police officers.  They can be part of a state/municipal workers union.  Most of the listed reforms seem to be (justifiably) aimed at the street level officer.  That leaves the supervisors, most of whom came up through the system that got us to where we are today.  They might want to shelter the bad cops ...


Goddammit, the world is truly upside down when RussianPotato makes the argument I was going to make.  I guess this is the little man behind the curtain we're seeing now?

Anyway, we need at least a 10-20 year moratorium on police unions.  They are a HUGE impediment to badly needed change.  Cops can have their collective bargaining back after we straighten this shiat out and rebuild cop culture around policing by consent.  

Unions are a badly-needed tool in the the fight against neoliberalism, but they do go rotten and turn destructive on occasion.
 
2020-06-04 10:45:35 AM  

RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.


I am not a constitutional lawyer, but I think there are some wee issues with point number three.

You can reduce the power of the police union without making the union itself illegal.  You just have to have someone competent at the negotiating table.
 
2020-06-04 10:47:27 AM  

Z-clipped: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about C12, I doubt he'd have much to say in support of this idiot.

OTOH, his relative silence during all of this has not gone unnoticed.


He was pretty vocal against Chauvin at the start, as someone else mentioned upthread.
 
2020-06-04 10:49:21 AM  

RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.



Did you forget to switch alts?
 
2020-06-04 10:51:03 AM  
FTA:
The confrontation between the kneeling demonstrator and Officer Steven Pohorence came at the tail end of what had been a peaceful protest, escalating an already tense situation.

In social video, Pohorence can be seen walking into the crowd, ordering protesters to disperse. But Pohorence walks too far and becomes encircled. As he turns to walk away, a kneeling woman wearing a white T-shirt and a face covering blocks his path.

Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd. Later, as evening falls, officials state that protesters shattered windows and engaged in vandalism.

Local officials blamed outside agitators for the property damage and violence that occurred after Sunday's march. They labeled them troublemakers who were looking for an adrenaline fix.
But some activists blame the violence on the cops.


So dumbass cop turned a peaceful demonstration into a  violent one.
 
2020-06-04 10:53:09 AM  

abhorrent1: thorpe: "Pohorence shoves her out of the way, pushing her to the ground. A fellow officer, Krystle Smith, immediately berates Pohorence and separates him from the protesters, who begin to throw water bottles.
Soon after, witnesses say police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets and concussion grenades, dispersing the crowd."

One asshole cop caused all that.


Seems like she may be well aware of his temperament and could tell he was about to lose it and do something really bad.


And notice too that it was a female cop that got involved in an attempt to avoid worse shait, the male cops were all to ready to escalate it.
 
2020-06-04 10:57:19 AM  
Lol I love it, keep on exposing them, people!
 
2020-06-04 10:57:53 AM  

RussianPotato: BeesNuts: RussianPotato: BeesNuts: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, they pretty much opened up at the outset of all of this to say that what happened to Floyd was criminally inexcusable and more or less that whatever happened next was those cops' responsibility.  And he had some thoughts on what kinds of things need to happen to address the issue moving forward.

If you're thinking of somebody else, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.

1)  Complete end of qualified immunity.  Cops are regular civilians who no special protections and are capable of being sued the same as anyone else.

2)  People and bystanders are allowed to use self-defense when cops take illegal actions.

3)  Police unions are prohibited by all state constitutions.

4)  Laws are passed in each state that lay down very clear instances in which a cop is automatically terminated and loses all benefits and pensions, including not having their camera working when any force is used, not immediately arresting a fellow officer that they see committing an illegal act, lying in even the slightest way in any paper work.

5) civil suits are paid out of the pension fund.  Let's see how fast they hold each other accountable THEN.

6) national standards with national civilian enforcement.

I'm cagey about 3.  I'd prefer police have a union, but I'd prefer it be the SEIU.

7)  All cops at all times must be wearing items that clearly ID them from all angles and even from a camera 100 yards away.

8)  No knock warrants are banned for narcotics cases and any cases that do not involve kidnapping and the potential for immediate murder.

9)  Strict liability for all cops AND all judges who are involved in a no-knock warrant that goes bad.

If they don't fark up for a few decades then they can move to have t ...


And in the strangest turn of events so far in 2020, I find myself nodding in furious agreement with RussianPotato.

Let's see how far we can take this:
10) National moratorium on capital punishment
11) Reform the funding mechanism of private prisons (I'm not naive enough to shoot for ending the private prison system I mean, c'mon...)
12) All revenue generated from legal proceedings, fines, etc, are directed to other government departments.  They can vote on which one gets each year's haul during budget approval.
13) Less viable for state police, but if local police are involved in a felony, like murder, larceny, etc. the entire department is frozen and taken over by the state police until the entire department has been fully investigated.  If you have 6 cops, and 2 of them are caught being dirty, I'm worried about the other 4 just being better at hiding it.
 
2020-06-04 11:01:23 AM  

RussianPotato: That's another thing nobody talks about.  Even if we get everything we want the police WILL have advocacy and lobby groups trying to immediately dismantle it.  We need to acknowledge this counter force which is why we cannot accept half measures.


This right here is why the riots matter.

One of the few things the system properly understands is force and violence against property.  If you make this costly enough, these advocacy and lobbying groups will have a much harder time convincing the money men to let things go back to the way they were.  Last time we let you run the show, it personally cost me 2.5 million dollars and it provides zero benefit to me.  No.  This is much better for me.
 
2020-06-04 11:15:13 AM  

RussianPotato: What you have written is rational and reasonable. In fact, it is the very reason why police unions exist. You are saying what was said decades ago.

Unfortunately, it fails to take into account history. The police unions abuse their power in order to reinstall and protect the corrupt officers. They lost their union privileges.

For crying out loud, due to the police unions the Coward of Broward, who sat outside behind a wall while some dickhead shot 18 students, one by one, was reinstated with backpay and a promotion.


That's why I said that they need to be rolled into the general municipal worker's union.  If the police act up (ok, 'when'...), they'll have a harder time covering it up if the guys who mow the parks' lawn, keep the water flowing, etc are also in their union but are really pissed off at them for their actions.  They'll have the collective bargaining protection, but they'll also be severely neutered power wise.
 
2020-06-04 11:15:47 AM  
Not to be "that guy", but I do want to point out that he did not have 71 complaints of excessive use of excessive force against him in four years.  He had 71 reports of the use of force of any kind, based on his own paperwork.  Cops have to fill out a report every time they get into a scuffle (and they're diligent about because it matters for their early retirement paperwork).  And seriously, he pulled his weapon 51 times in 4 years?  Someone is clearly compensating for something.

Still doesn't change the fact that this guy is a 'roided up asshole of the first order, but we should at least try to get our facts right in the process of excoriating them for their bullshiat.
 
2020-06-04 11:24:09 AM  

Flab: Z-clipped: Number 216: Where's Farks resident farking moron to explain to us all the cop was well within his rights and the protester is a career criminal who should've already been imprisoned for life?

If you're talking about C12, I doubt he'd have much to say in support of this idiot.

OTOH, his relative silence during all of this has not gone unnoticed.

He was pretty vocal against Chauvin at the start, as someone else mentioned upthread.


Yeah, he's almost always willing to call out individual acts, But he will never, under any circumstances, admit that there is a broad systemic problem with police culture that requires major change, and keeping up the pretense that all of these protests are just about Chauvin would be a pretty tall task.
 
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