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2020-06-04 1:13:45 AM  
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2020-06-04 1:20:12 AM  
That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?
 
2020-06-04 1:24:04 AM  

feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?


Do we really want our citizens treated the way prison guards treat prisoners?

I mean, maybe it might be a wake-up call for more prison reform.
 
2020-06-04 1:26:43 AM  

feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?


Not subby, but I think that you will find that generally, much to your chagrin, most Americans want de-escalation of this current situation not adding any sort of personnel to the fray.  But hey if the hacks want to be next in line for the civil suits arising out of this assault on democracy, so be it.   Defunding is coming bigly, one way or another.
 
2020-06-04 1:30:47 AM  

ox45tallboy: feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?

Do we really want our citizens treated the way prison guards treat prisoners?

I mean, maybe it might be a wake-up call for more prison reform.


I'd argue we don't want prisoners treated the way prison guards treat prisoners.
 
2020-06-04 1:36:43 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: ox45tallboy: feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?

Do we really want our citizens treated the way prison guards treat prisoners?

I mean, maybe it might be a wake-up call for more prison reform.

I'd argue we don't want prisoners treated the way prison guards treat prisoners.


My point exactly.
 
2020-06-04 1:46:04 AM  
I want my MTVBarack Obama
 
2020-06-04 2:09:43 AM  

feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?


These are probably the only large armed force in the federal government that's been trained to ignore human rights violations, and has been engaging in that for 3+ years now.

I don't know if you saw what Gen. Mattis and Gen. Milley said today but there's some shiat going down.
 
2020-06-04 2:38:11 AM  
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2020-06-04 3:37:41 AM  

darkhorse23: [Fark user image image 401x401]


Too pale. That shiat is margarine.

MARGARINE.
 
2020-06-04 3:42:48 AM  
Some parts of this country are working on de-escalation and police reform.

Others are encouraging the civilians to study Hong Kong and make a few trips to Home Depot.
 
2020-06-04 3:58:12 AM  
we live in a time where doxing is a thing and has been use to make threats to families of law enforcement during riots in many places in the world (hello Hong Kong protesters).

now there are way that it could be done with minimal doxing information if every officer had a QR code on their chest and you could use your phone to scan it and a gov database just sends you a "yes he his a officer of X" and a low res pic of the officer. that would give you a way of confirming that yes the dude is a officer and you get a tracking number for a possible complaint if something happen but very little to start a dox campaign.
 
2020-06-04 4:01:15 AM  
Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?
 
2020-06-04 4:08:11 AM  
Miami's been mostly quiet after the first night. Don't know why the hell he's sending anybody here unless it's to make things worse.
 
2020-06-04 4:09:39 AM  
All right folks, we have a new poker player at the table.  Is it Barr or Prince, putting chips into play?

The letter, released earlier, from the top military has shown that d2s is bluffing as usual.  So someone has raised, dumping a whole pile of ignorant but loyal goons into the game.

Will the various police departments around the country, and mayors and governors fold to placate the bunker baby?  Or, will we see more people standing up and crossing over to work with the protesters?
 
2020-06-04 4:10:14 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?


Utah is into massacres?

\it is a historical fact from when they were still part of a territory
 
2020-06-04 4:11:08 AM  

bluewave69: we live in a time where doxing is a thing and has been use to make threats to families of law enforcement during riots in many places in the world (hello Hong Kong protesters).

now there are way that it could be done with minimal doxing information if every officer had a QR code on their chest and you could use your phone to scan it and a gov database just sends you a "yes he his a officer of X" and a low res pic of the officer. that would give you a way of confirming that yes the dude is a officer and you get a tracking number for a possible complaint if something happen but very little to start a dox campaign.


Your idea sucks.
What about citizens who don't have phones, or have had them taken or smashed by the police? How would you report that officer for misconduct? How would you be able to know that the arresting officer was the one attending your trial? How hard would it be to mark the QR so no one could scan you, then just say it must have happened while on duty if you're found out? Do you really think that such a system wouldn't have the ever loving shiat abused out of it?
 
2020-06-04 4:12:23 AM  
Interesting but ominous, it looks like they dug into some ancient "deputizing" law that allows the US Marshal Service to deputize random people to effectively become sheriffs in any given state, with the consent of the AG.  So there's Pandora's box right there, and it's opening.

/I cannot say this enough: we seriously need to split up the DOJ, weaken the AG's power, and/or make it independent of the Executive.
 
2020-06-04 4:14:59 AM  
C'mon folks. Their side gig is drug smuggling. Hit 'em up for weed!

/ Only $100 per joint.
 
2020-06-04 4:16:10 AM  

koder: Interesting but ominous, it looks like they dug into some ancient "deputizing" law that allows the US Marshal Service to deputize random people to effectively become sheriffs in any given state, with the consent of the AG.  So there's Pandora's box right there, and it's opening.

/I cannot say this enough: we seriously need to split up the DOJ, weaken the AG's power, and/or make it independent of the Executive.


Split up the powers among the three branches more. Fully independent sounds good, but then you have to have oversight that is enforceable and effective still.
 
2020-06-04 4:17:02 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: ox45tallboy: feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?

Do we really want our citizens treated the way prison guards treat prisoners?

I mean, maybe it might be a wake-up call for more prison reform.

I'd argue we don't want prisoners treated the way prison guards treat prisoners.


Ding ding ding!
 
2020-06-04 4:20:11 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I'd argue we don't want prisoners treated the way prison guards treat prisoners.


Prisoners do not treat prisoners all that well either
 
2020-06-04 4:21:07 AM  

bluewave69: we live in a time where doxing is a thing and has been use to make threats to families of law enforcement during riots in many places in the world (hello Hong Kong protesters).

now there are way that it could be done with minimal doxing information if every officer had a QR code on their chest and you could use your phone to scan it and a gov database just sends you a "yes he his a officer of X" and a low res pic of the officer. that would give you a way of confirming that yes the dude is a officer and you get a tracking number for a possible complaint if something happen but very little to start a dox campaign.


The best time to quit huffing paint was yesterday, the second best time is now.
 
2020-06-04 4:21:49 AM  

darkhorse23: [Fark user image image 401x401]


The domain butter.com is still available, btw. I could totally see ironic hipster folks paying for an email address from them.

"Butter emails: You'll Never Forget Them!!"
 
2020-06-04 4:21:57 AM  

HerptheDerp: Some parts of this country are working on de-escalation and police reform.

Others are encouraging the civilians to study Hong Kong and make a few trips to Home Depot.


The problem is that, unlike Hong Kong, we have more privately-owned guns than citizens. I'm pretty sure (and terrified that) this won't end with bungee cord catapults.
 
2020-06-04 4:22:14 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?


That's my question. My sister is a member of the Utah NG and her unit was just activated today.

:(
 
2020-06-04 4:23:47 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?


Have you been to Utah?
😜
 
2020-06-04 4:24:23 AM  

koder: Interesting but ominous, it looks like they dug into some ancient "deputizing" law that allows the US Marshal Service to deputize random people to effectively become sheriffs in any given state, with the consent of the AG.  So there's Pandora's box right there, and it's opening.

/I cannot say this enough: we seriously need to split up the DOJ, weaken the AG's power, and/or make it independent of the Executive.


Independent of the executive for godamn sure, that's a fact.
 
2020-06-04 4:25:13 AM  

feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?


Solving problems like adults is hard, I know.
 
2020-06-04 4:37:42 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?


Trump asked for "More men" and someone heard "Mormon"

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2020-06-04 4:46:23 AM  
Woah, I didn't realise we had prisons in the Bay of Plenty. Although weird we'd export them for this purpose.
 
2020-06-04 4:47:36 AM  

feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?


Not the subby, but I totally disagree w/ feckingmorons here. A quick google tells me that they have access to arms, but for crying out loud, fecks, why would you ever propose a prison guard as a crisis manager? Is it the empathy they show to prisoners?
 
2020-06-04 4:52:36 AM  

uttertosh: darkhorse23: [Fark user image image 401x401]

The domain butter.com is still available, btw. I could totally see ironic hipster folks paying for an email address from them.

"Butter emails: You'll Never Forget Them!!"


Available according to whom? Looks like it has been registered non-stop for 23 years. Although it looks like some shiatcan is just squatting on it and not actually using it.
 
2020-06-04 4:58:04 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: why would you ever propose a prison guard as a crisis manager?


They aren't crisis managers. They are tools of crisis management. 'Roided up meathead teams for prison riot suppression.
 
2020-06-04 5:29:15 AM  
Using people that you are unable to identify does not bode well for the people that might/will suffer abuse from them.

Accountability is paramount.
 
2020-06-04 5:37:56 AM  

darkhorse23: [Fark user image 401x401]


Some people might die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if it sends a message to the DNC.
 
2020-06-04 5:40:04 AM  

BafflerMeal: darkhorse23: [Fark user image image 401x401]

Too pale. That shiat is margarine.

MARGARINE.


FAKE MOOS


/I know I know, I'm late to the party
 
2020-06-04 5:46:40 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?


The whitest state, far from DC.

When the Polish communist government was failing, they bussed in rural riot police recruits to Warsaw. They were naturally resentful of urban "elites". They fed them amphetamines and sent them in to attack "those people".
 
2020-06-04 5:49:51 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?

Not the subby, but I totally disagree w/ feckingmorons here. A quick google tells me that they have access to arms, but for crying out loud, fecks, why would you ever propose a prison guard as a crisis manager? Is it the empathy they show to prisoners?


To be fair, Trump doesn't handle crises very well. So he got his TOP MEN, aka his Tops, on the case.
 
2020-06-04 5:50:02 AM  

bluewave69: we live in a time where doxing is a thing and has been use to make threats to families of law enforcement during riots in many places in the world (hello Hong Kong protesters).

now there are way that it could be done with minimal doxing information if every officer had a QR code on their chest and you could use your phone to scan it and a gov database just sends you a "yes he his a officer of X" and a low res pic of the officer. that would give you a way of confirming that yes the dude is a officer and you get a tracking number for a possible complaint if something happen but very little to start a dox campaign.


So what kind of mark are you thinking of here? Barcodes lack flair. Need something with a bit more pizazz. Swastikas are overplayed. An intersecting triplet of 6's might be nice if done tastefully. Let's get creative here.
 
2020-06-04 5:51:04 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?


Because they said yes? I don't know.
 
2020-06-04 6:15:03 AM  

ox45tallboy: Do we really want our citizens treated the way prison guards treat prisoners?


Absolutely yes. Yes you do. And if that requires prison reform, as you suggest, reform your damn prisons.

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2020-06-04 6:22:52 AM  

BafflerMeal: darkhorse23: [Fark user image image 401x401]

Too pale. That shiat is margarine.

MARGARINE.


I will certainly agree that margarine is, uh, MARGARINE . . . but at least it isn't Miracle Whip.

Here's a short bit from my ute -- sorry, youth. Our family, three kid plus mom 'n dad, were not poor but neither were we wealthy. We never, seriously never had butter on our table. We had margarine. When my older brother turned 16 he got a job in downtown Seattle delivering telegrams . . . and actually made money. He bought a guitar and a black shirt . . . and every week a pound of butter that he jealously hid in a strong box in our shared bedroom. He didn't realize that the hasp of the lock was installed wrong and the screws were exposed instead of being covered by the hasp. When I'd get home from school I'd make toast and use his butter to cover my toast by removing the screws to the hasp to get access. Ah, sweet cream butter. There was no way for me to substitute margarine for the butter I used, the margarine was too yellow and the butter too pale.

My brother was a bully and I knew if he caught me or even thought I was using his butter he'd beat the crap outta me. I struggled to find a way to hide my depredations . . . and as late spring became summer the solution was thrust upon me. His butter began to melt in his strong box. I took two cubes of his butter and hid it away in the fridge, melted two cubes of margarine in a pan and poured it into his box along with original packaging.

Okay, we may have been a strange family -- or maybe not -- but it was a common occurrence to open the fridge and stare in there waiting for something to look "tasty" for, it seemed, several minutes. There was never anything. Nothing, but we'd look anyway. I put "my" butter in one of those Tupperware containers that was ruined by spaghetti sauce and stuffed it in the back of the fridge where nothing even remotely edible was stored.

Jimmy got smart-er and began putting his butter in a bowl with ice water that later became just water, but ya know, it was just that much easier to steal just enough butter for two pieces of toast every day . . . because I was working on a whole pound of butter not a cube.

I remember how it all came crashing down. Dinner was stuffed green peppers with potatoes cooked in the tomato sauce. We kids would get a half bell pepper with a nice round ball of meat-loaf like stuff and a half potato that we'd smush and put on pats of margarine. Mom and dad would have two halves of bell pepper and two meatloaf-y balls.

We were sitting down to dinner, dishing up stuff when mom got up and pulled the Tupperware with the butter from the back of the fridge. She took a nice helping of butter and passed it to me to pass on to my dad. I was terrified because my dad did all the grocery shopping and he would surely question where it came from. He did, and my mom said blithely, "Oh, Jimmy bought it with his Western Union money, didn't you, Jimmy." My brother said he did, but there were daggers shooting in my direction. There was considerable discussion at dinner that night about family and sharing and how we all share the bounty . . . and yada, yada, yada. And then mom said, "And that'll be the end of that."

As a somewhat interesting sidelight, I am a butter hoarder. I have a big freezer in the basement and a side-by-side freezer/refrigerator in the kitchen. Between the two appliances I have maybe twelve pounds of butter. During the fall holiday season it is not uncommon for my hoard of yellow gold to grow to more than twenty pounds. I mean, why not? It's BUTTER.
 
2020-06-04 6:32:06 AM  

Straight Outta Hate: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I'd argue we don't want prisoners treated the way prison guards treat prisoners.

Prisoners do not treat prisoners all that well either


The other prisoners are not in charge. They do not have the duty of custody, which the guards/staff/leadership do.

It is incumbent upon those in charge, because of that duty, to not only NOT abuse prisoners themselves, but to not allow prisoners to abuse each other.

That prisons fall short of this so routinely and commonly is a disgrace. That there exists such a thing as a private, for-profit prison is an abomination.
 
2020-06-04 6:36:34 AM  

ProdigalSigh: Why the hell is the Utah National Guard in DC?

Because locals are harder to control, especially if you give them unethical orders.  When they're told to open fire on Americans protesting violence against blacks, they're more likely to do it if they're a pack of lily-white bigots from the other side of the country.  That's the idea, anyway, and why the right spent the last forty years de-humanizing liberals.
 
2020-06-04 6:51:33 AM  
DC police should arrest them.
 
2020-06-04 7:00:32 AM  

feckingmorons: That seems like a good thing that they're trained in crisis management. I don't see any rifles or other guns (and you can't have a gun inside a prison) so that seems a proper response.

Do you disagree subby?


Seems someone other than subby might disagree this seems a proper response:
from tfa:

"During Miami-Dade's virtual County commission on Tuesday, both Mayor Carlos Gimenez and Miami-Dade Police Director Freddie Ramirez said both were surprised by their arrival.

"I was unaware they were here. We didn't ask them to be here. We told them we didn't need them here. There is no reason for them to be here." said Mayor Gimenez.

"There originally was supposed to be 110 of them, the federal agents, but we turned them away. There were 23 of them, dealing with stuff inside federal prison. They are still staying at the hotel, but they were told they weren't needed. This is federal stuff going back and forth," said Miami-Dade Police Director Ramirez.

Director Ramirez added that the federal law enforcement agents have not been used for anything."

I hope that illustrates a bit better why this isn't a proper response?
 
2020-06-04 7:07:16 AM  

bluewave69: we live in a time where doxing is a thing and has been use to make threats to families of law enforcement during riots in many places in the world (hello Hong Kong protesters).

now there are way that it could be done with minimal doxing information if every officer had a QR code on their chest and you could use your phone to scan it and a gov database just sends you a "yes he his a officer of X" and a low res pic of the officer. that would give you a way of confirming that yes the dude is a officer and you get a tracking number for a possible complaint if something happen but very little to start a dox campaign.


Bless your heart, you sweet Summer child.
 
2020-06-04 7:15:35 AM  
And you though you were free.
 
2020-06-04 7:19:33 AM  
It's about time.
 
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