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2020-06-04 9:08:20 AM  

born_yesterday: GoldSpider: I wonder how much coverage this is going to get in the mainstream press.

"President Trump today again declared his power and intent to use the military, including tanks, to crush protests in DC and around the country.  Others disagree."


This is part of the process that got us here. During the campaign the news cycle went a lot like this:

"Trump today repeated his claim that Clinton is a space alien who will eat your brains if elected. The Clinton campaign denied these claims.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign released video footage of Trump saying that he absolutely took actions that violate federal election laws. The Trump campaign called it 'fake news.'"

Because doing actual reporting and fact checking will turn off old conservatives who are the only people that watch network news and buy newspapers.
 
2020-06-04 9:09:29 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: lolmao500: Approval rating by institution :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/conf​idence-institutions.aspx
The military : 73%
Supreme Court : 38%
Congress : 11%
The police : 53% (probably much lower than that today)
The just-us system : 24%

Trump : 42%


I say if the military were to move against Trump tomorrow if he gives illegal orders, they would have the backing of 3/4 of americans.

No they wouldn't.

3/4 support the military when they are the good guys. Only 26% will support the military gunning down American civilians.


Unless those civilians are police officers gunning down their fellow citizens.
 
2020-06-04 9:10:00 AM  
I'm losing track here.

Is this unifying or dividing?
 
2020-06-04 9:17:23 AM  

somedude210: Koodz: somedude210: revrendjim: History is littered with the corpses of tyrants who lost the support of their military. A month ago I would have said that could never happen here.

It gives me hope. The military was always the wildcard. Though I kinda want to see a fist fight break out between actual soldiers and Barr's little green men

One on one I'd put my money on Barr's little green men. Actual soldiers tend to spend more time making their beds than training hand to hand unless it's their hobby while prison guards beat the shiat out of people all the time.

NG maybe. Active duty folks, especially from Bragg or Drum? I wouldn't want to f*ck with them


Don't fark with us Drummies. We're tempered in Chemical Creek when it's -40 out.

/Chemical Creek eats the laces off your boots and turns the leather white
//parts of it glow at night in the summer
 
2020-06-04 9:24:31 AM  

Shaggy_C: joepennerlives: Shaggy_C: Lot of reading between the lines going on here. Sounds more like he's pushing all accountability to the governors and saying anything the guardsmen do that is illegal or against the spirit of the constitution is therefore the governor's responsibility.

Echoes of Trump's coronavirus response, actually.

Take another look at the letter.

Point #2 makes it pretty clear that the national guard is operating under the orders of state governors, full stop. On the one hand he says the troops uphold the constitution, and on the other he's saying the governors are the ones in charge. A bit of the old "look, we want to do our best, but if something goes wrong, those guys are to blame, not me."

Call me a cynic, but I never take anything from someone in Trump's orbit without immediate suspicion.


Perhaps he wanted the National Guard to understand that their governors might be issuing illegal orders, and those orders should not interfere with defending the Constitution and American citizens.
 
2020-06-04 9:24:58 AM  

chawco: yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.

they don't have the legal authority to remove him from the White House. They can decline to follow his orders if they think they've is illegal, but that's all they can do.

Anything else is in fact a military coup. Only Congress can remove the president.


His cabinet can remove him under the 25th Amendment, but their too busy with their snouts in the trough to do anything about it.
 
2020-06-04 9:28:27 AM  

TelemonianAjax: FightDirector: So...quick question.  Can anyone track down a digitized copy of this?  I think I'd like to read it:

https://catalog.princeton.edu/catalog/​dsp01cc08hh28h

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For the record, I'm coming up with nothing on TPB. I would also like a digitized copy if someone can find one.


lemme look

/Librarian
 
2020-06-04 9:34:20 AM  

Charlie Freak: bluejeansonfire: I bet anyone here $10 that this guy wrote this because Trump asked / ordered him to bomb literal cities.

( We've already done that before, in Philly, and it was the police that did it. )

I could see him musing about air-dropping a live nuke on a test range as a show of force demonstration (also pretty effective distraction).


Oh gods. There were mutterings about a nuke test the other day. JFC, he didn't want to scare the Chinese, he wanted to scare protesters.

What. The. Fark.
 
2020-06-04 9:35:51 AM  

Smoking GNU: lolmao500: Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.

Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.

A gunbattle between the military and a  facist-takeover army loyal to the evil shouty yam of hate and chaos in DC? And you don't think it'd instantly spread all over the country with cries of "The military has betrayed dear leader" under the usual derp brigade? That's how you get 20 of insurgency and carbombings in your country.


If we've got an unrest modifier of greater than 15% or more we can spend prestige points to decrease the unrest. Prestige levels are low now anyway, who cares about another 20 points? After that we can just use admin points to get an extra diplomat to smooth things a bit with our trading partners. "I don't like supply lines" isn't going to work for this run since the continent is in control of like 9 trade nodes. We can always attempt to steer trade from our neighbor's, but with such low prestige they won't really go for it. We probably should have switched out Native Policy to "integrate" instead of "subjugate" but that's way too late now. All we can do is just try to maximize profits to pay back our loans.
 
2020-06-04 9:36:31 AM  

Dave The Slushy: Charlie Freak: bluejeansonfire: I bet anyone here $10 that this guy wrote this because Trump asked / ordered him to bomb literal cities.

( We've already done that before, in Philly, and it was the police that did it. )

I could see him musing about air-dropping a live nuke on a test range as a show of force demonstration (also pretty effective distraction).

Oh gods. There were mutterings about a nuke test the other day. JFC, he didn't want to scare the Chinese, he wanted to scare protesters.

What. The. Fark.


I don't doubt for a nanosecond that Trump would nuke Minneapolis.

It's a liberal city, just in general, and I'm sure he'd love to nuke liberal cities.
But it also kills protesters and plants the seed of terror in the minds of protesters in other cities.
 
2020-06-04 9:36:42 AM  
RE:
A Critical Analysis of Revolutionary Guerrilla Organization in Theory and Practice

It's a thesis so this will be tricky

Worldcat has nothing
TPB also
185 pages so  not just a quick scan

It's a senior thesis for an undergrad degree so it's a nope

Here is the cite in dataspace, manuscript (!) only

https://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui​/​handle/88435/dsp01cc08hh28h
 
2020-06-04 9:36:49 AM  

SpockYouOut: How long until the miltary protects peaceful protestors from the police?


Police are inherently cowardly authoritarians.

They'll listen to daddy and be on their best church behavior.
 
2020-06-04 9:37:16 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Dave The Slushy: Charlie Freak: bluejeansonfire: I bet anyone here $10 that this guy wrote this because Trump asked / ordered him to bomb literal cities.

( We've already done that before, in Philly, and it was the police that did it. )

I could see him musing about air-dropping a live nuke on a test range as a show of force demonstration (also pretty effective distraction).

Oh gods. There were mutterings about a nuke test the other day. JFC, he didn't want to scare the Chinese, he wanted to scare protesters.

What. The. Fark.

I don't doubt for a nanosecond that Trump would nuke Minneapolis.

It's a liberal city, just in general, and I'm sure he'd love to nuke liberal cities.
But it also kills protesters and plants the seed of terror in the minds of protesters in other cities.


LA or NYC before MPLS
 
2020-06-04 9:38:51 AM  

gopher321: Maybe this is why Pence has been scarce the past few days? Where is he, exactly?


That's a damn good question! It's very interesting that there has been virtually no articles, tweets, commentaries, etc. asking the same question.
 
2020-06-04 9:41:26 AM  

AnEasyTarget: What's the law in US constitution that says only an order of congress can direct troops on US soil. It's from late 1800s post US civil war.


Posse Commitatus Act
 
2020-06-04 9:43:13 AM  

silvervial: Snaps: I hope this is why the troops in DC seem so calm tonight, they don't have to worry about obeying insane orders.

I watched the seven hour live feed of that protest and the soldiers were pretty calm.

Most of them refused to look at the protesters and acknowledge their humanity, and there was one guy who looked like every fu*king stereotype of a alt-right hitler youth. Big blue eyes and all. I noted him, his expression of disdain barely held in check. How he refused to not only look at anyone in the eye, he wouldn't even look around at the scene in general. Black person after black person "walked the line" demanding respect and acknowledgement as a human being, but he didn't look once. I was getting more and more worried about him.

Then a white man, an older man, began to walk the line, holding up his military ID and declaring he was a veteran and he knew better than to face off against his own people when he was in uniform. He went up and down the line shaming them, and then stopped at Blue-Eyed Boy and told him the same things, directly to his face.

Blue-Eyed Boy blinked.

He suddenly started actually looking at people and the scene and the guys standing next to him and the people across from him.

And I felt a bit better. Blue-Eyed Boy seemed to have had a "come to Jesus moment" and I hope it sticks.


Wow. Quite an imagination you have there. That narrative didn't bubble out of your cauldron of stereotypes and theatrical drama at all.
 
2020-06-04 9:44:26 AM  
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2020-06-04 9:46:43 AM  

Halfabee64: chawco: yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.

they don't have the legal authority to remove him from the White House. They can decline to follow his orders if they think they've is illegal, but that's all they can do.

Anything else is in fact a military coup. Only Congress can remove the president.

His cabinet can remove him under the 25th Amendment, but their too busy with their snouts in the trough to do anything about it.


they're
 
2020-06-04 9:53:42 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: FightDirector: For anyone who does not recognize the seriousness of that letter, GEN Milley is laying the groundwork to do two things:

1) To protect his own job AND the job of anyone who Trump tries to forcibly relieve of duty.  All that letter officially says is to protect American values: that is also a direct instruction written in "command-ese" to disobey orders from any source - very definitely including POTUS - which run contrary to those values.  The way it is written, the only "reason" to relieve anyone of their position who agrees with that letter is that you plan to take actions contrary to those American values.  QED, if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.

2) Equally as serious, if not more so, Milley is laying the legal and ethical groundwork for a potential mutiny.  Not a coup, necessarily (in fact almost certainly not), but definitely a mutiny against the presidential chain of command.  Particularly and especially with that handwritten addendum.  He is careful to call out and defend both the explicit chain of command and the moral authority from the state governors, and then says in multiple ways that their ultimate duty is to American values and the American people.  NOT orders from the president.  If this goes down the way it is looking, this letter will frame the action as a defense of American values and the American people, against a president who not only doesn't care about either one of those, but is actively working to the detriment of those things.

Finally, the fact that his name is attached to this and it's been released publicly is just gigantic.  Serving military officers don't do that.  They don't release overtly political statements like this, no matter what we might wish Mattis had done years ago.  There's literally hundreds of years of tradition (in an institution where tradition really matters, no matter what cynics might think) and officers have it hammered home over and ov ...


This comment chain made me decide to give a call to a retired JAG(family member) to talk about the situation. Pretty much echoed what has been said. That and he gravitated towards this being a good sign from the "the system won't let Trump refute the election results" perspective.
 
2020-06-04 9:54:38 AM  
Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.
 
2020-06-04 9:56:34 AM  

AdrienVeidt: Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.


This is an official public statement from one of the highest ranking military officials in our country explicitly instructing every member of every branch of the armed service to ... not do that.
 
2020-06-04 10:05:05 AM  

AnEasyTarget: What's the law in US constitution that says only an order of congress can direct troops on US soil. It's from late 1800s post US civil war.


The Grab The By the Posse Commitatus
 
2020-06-04 10:09:30 AM  
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2020-06-04 10:10:19 AM  

AdrienVeidt: Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.


Nice bomb throw. Good height, but terrible distance. Gotta work on your throwing arm.
 
2020-06-04 10:12:27 AM  

AdrienVeidt: Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.


I think you're missing the point that jack shiat is EXACTLY what they're supposed to do when given an illegal order.
 
2020-06-04 10:14:11 AM  

SpockYouOut: How long until the miltary protects peaceful protestors from the police?


7 months and 17 days
 
2020-06-04 10:14:46 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat. Has this EVER happened? Have military commanders ever felt the need to send a letter like this basically saying "do not listen to this goddamn moron we have for a president"?


No, it has not!
 
2020-06-04 10:16:29 AM  

SpockYouOut: How long until the miltary protects peaceful protestors from the police?


wouldn't that be a sight!?
 
2020-06-04 10:18:56 AM  

Artisan Sandwich: silvervial: Snaps: I hope this is why the troops in DC seem so calm tonight, they don't have to worry about obeying insane orders.

I watched the seven hour live feed of that protest and the soldiers were pretty calm.

Most of them refused to look at the protesters and acknowledge their humanity, and there was one guy who looked like every fu*king stereotype of a alt-right hitler youth. Big blue eyes and all. I noted him, his expression of disdain barely held in check. How he refused to not only look at anyone in the eye, he wouldn't even look around at the scene in general. Black person after black person "walked the line" demanding respect and acknowledgement as a human being, but he didn't look once. I was getting more and more worried about him.

Then a white man, an older man, began to walk the line, holding up his military ID and declaring he was a veteran and he knew better than to face off against his own people when he was in uniform. He went up and down the line shaming them, and then stopped at Blue-Eyed Boy and told him the same things, directly to his face.

Blue-Eyed Boy blinked.

He suddenly started actually looking at people and the scene and the guys standing next to him and the people across from him.

And I felt a bit better. Blue-Eyed Boy seemed to have had a "come to Jesus moment" and I hope it sticks.

Wow. Quite an imagination you have there. That narrative didn't bubble out of your cauldron of stereotypes and theatrical drama at all.


Go fark yourself. That's what happened right on my computer screen. EABOD you twit.
 
2020-06-04 10:20:32 AM  
Nothing would make me happier than to see Eric Prince and his mercs get annihilated by the US military.

No Quarter.
 
2020-06-04 10:21:22 AM  

AdrienVeidt: Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.


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2020-06-04 10:26:28 AM  
I hate to bust up the circlejerk, but support for Trump remains high among the enlisted. Talking about oaths and service to the community is nice, but it's just talk. Historically, the involvement of the National Guard has not gone well for us. If the top brass is hoping that troops will choose them over their pyrite idol, they're probably doomed to disappointment.
 
2020-06-04 10:28:02 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.


I'm thinking anger was the bigger motivator.  Anger at the audacity and utter lack of knowledge of the Constitutional duties and scope of the presidency displayed by the current office holder.  Anger that they, the military, had to resort to these open condemnations because the idiot has been lead to believe by his lickspittle sycophants that he's untouchable and can do whatever he wants.  Anger at the bald attempt by this corrupt administration to morph into a dictatorship. Anger at the willful lawlessness.  Anger at the idiot waddling roughshod, literally, over the tenets the 1st Amendment, over the separation of church and state.

I'm pretty farking angry myself.

General Allen is weighing in now.  This is good.
 
2020-06-04 10:28:08 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: You can buy drugs from them. Can't do that with mercs.


Sure you can.  In Vietnam, ROK troops were basically mercs and they were the go-to for opiates.

You have a strange take on mercs.
 
2020-06-04 10:28:14 AM  

Samfucious: WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT!?


Is your mom now, or has she ever been, a member of The Lemon Party?

/pics, or it didn't happen
 
2020-06-04 10:28:28 AM  

FightDirector: shpritz: It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.

Quick point.  Evidently there are several other publicly released memos as well. This is just the highest-priority one.  Here are two of them.  Note that these are all coming out essentially simultaneously, which would indicate to me a smaller degree of coincidence that you're ascribing.

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Thanks for posting these.  These words are chose very f$cking carefully.  There are aspects that contradict the President and there are important statements that are completely missing from what Trump has said.

This is a big f$cking deal.  The 3 letters combined are amazing.

The last letter basically compares the police push back to the racist push back at the height of the civil.  That's a big one.  Also, Trayvon Martin as a tragedy which it was.  However, a vast majority of Trumpers consider Martin's killing justified.  That is a slap in their face. The Air Force general is going to get fired.  Not sure about the other two.
 
2020-06-04 10:28:42 AM  

Klyukva: mrparks: So this is what the GOP pivot looks like. Let Dumbtr*mp run things into the ground, and then swoop in and save us.

YAY!

Once again proving that for people like you, the problem was never with what Trump did but with which party he belonged too.

/ We also saw it when party-before-principles Democrats said people should rally behind Bloomberg if he won the primary.
// Thankfully that didn't come close to happening.


I can't speak for others but I used to be an independent-leaning liberal. I've become a much stronger partisan Democratic Party supporter since I saw over 40% of the voting population still supporting Trump after he started separating families at the border and all the other clear abandonments of American values. Over 40% still support Trump today, after everything he's done. So there's no longer any room for bipartisanship. The Republicans no longer support American values, therefore the Republicans need to be removed from power at any cost.
 
2020-06-04 10:29:42 AM  

Smoking GNU: LrdPhoenix: Smoking GNU: BafflerMeal: mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?

No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.

That's some pretty damn shiatty design.

Heh, you want to hear shiatty, from 1962 to 1977, the code that unlocked the nukes was 00000000.

Yup, heard about that one already.


One of my favorites is where they used to store the cores before loading them into the bomb/airplane. In a shack at the end of the runway. Why yes, a bomber crashed into the shack.
 
2020-06-04 10:30:48 AM  

RaymondQGillet: I hate to bust up the circlejerk, but support for Trump remains high among the enlisted. Talking about oaths and service to the community is nice, but it's just talk. Historically, the involvement of the National Guard has not gone well for us. If the top brass is hoping that troops will choose them over their pyrite idol, they're probably doomed to disappointment.


If the enlisted go rogue then they can support Donnie* from Leavenworth.
 
2020-06-04 10:43:24 AM  
Someone probably mentioned this already, but it's important to reiterate.  It's not just this statement.  This came out right when the Commandant of the USMC said something similar, and Gen Mattis made his statements about Trump.  None of this was by mistake.

The USMC has always seen itself as kind of the praetorian guard (before they got corrupt), they exist to make sure a populist general of the army can't attempt a coup against the president.  The USMC band is the "presidents own", Marines guard the White House and camp David.  It's the USMC that is the last military line of defense for the Executive Branch.  It's one of the reasons the USMC has regularly argued to maintain its existence.  By the CMC and Mattis making these statements, it isn't just a couple generals saying something.  This is the internal politics of the military flying as big a flag as they can saying "there is zero military support for the illegal stuff we know you want to do."
Okay, so the military is going to follow the constitution, that's fine, what's so important about Mattis' statement?  Think of Generals as C-Suite execs and the board of directors.  Generals very rarely enter politics, nor speak ill of politicians, especially active ones in the middle of a crisis. This is a retired Chairman of the Board of Directors of the largest company in the world saying that he has zero confidence in the new CEO.  Not only that, but because of how the military works, his statements were vetted with the current board of directors before he said anything.
 
2020-06-04 10:46:23 AM  

RaymondQGillet: I hate to bust up the circlejerk, but support for Trump remains high among the enlisted.


No it doesn't. It had dropped to 43% last December, and it's reasonable to say it's even lower now.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pe​n​tagon-congress/2019/12/17/half-of-acti​ve-duty-service-members-are-unhappy-wi​th-trump-new-military-times-poll-shows​/

"Among the enlisted force, the recent survey showed a 43 percent favorable rating. "
 
2020-06-04 10:55:43 AM  

thorpe: RaymondQGillet: I hate to bust up the circlejerk, but support for Trump remains high among the enlisted.

No it doesn't. It had dropped to 43% last December, and it's reasonable to say it's even lower now.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pen​tagon-congress/2019/12/17/half-of-acti​ve-duty-service-members-are-unhappy-wi​th-trump-new-military-times-poll-shows​/

"Among the enlisted force, the recent survey showed a 43 percent favorable rating. "


Still higher than the general populace. That's to be expected as the Armed Forces draws from the same pool that Trump does for support. That is the subset of people that subscribe to the mantra that "Might Makes Right." (Needless to point out here that it historically has not.)
 
2020-06-04 11:06:03 AM  

BeesNuts: AdrienVeidt: Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.

This is an official public statement from one of the highest ranking military officials in our country explicitly instructing every member of every branch of the armed service to ... not do that.


And having jack shiat for effect because their oaths mean shiat.
 
2020-06-04 11:06:15 AM  
Buried in this BI article that someone else posted is one of the more frightening things I've recently seen about Trump: "A senior administration official said this didn't necessarily mean Trump wanted to send tanks, The Beast reported. "I think that is just one of the military words he knows," the official reportedly said."

It's openly admitted that Trump is making decisions when he doesn't even know the words.

He's in serious cognitive decomposition, and you know that McConnell, Barr, Graham, and every other major GOPper and Fox News host knows it and won't say it.
 
2020-06-04 11:07:32 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: And just to clarify because sometimes I'm kind of subtle about it... I'm not like, a fan of president never ate a salad in his worthless disgusting puke existence because he grew up to look like his wretched mom that looked like a carney f*cked a cotton candy machine and produced a frizzy haired loser scumbag sack of shiat that has lived a life of rage because he's not a real man.


You.  I would like to subscribe to your newsletter...:)
 
2020-06-04 11:23:13 AM  

Free Radical: Nothing would make me happier than to see Eric Prince and his mercs get annihilated by the US military.

No Quarter.


That's the worst part. They will be easily dealt with AND given quarter. And tried. And rot in jail. And the US armed forces wouldn't even break a sweat. They might even do it as a team building exercise between the Navy Seals, the Army's Delta Force, the first Marine Division, and the Air force's overflying with a squad or 5 of A-10s.

Basically a life fire training exercise.
 
2020-06-04 11:45:51 AM  

Archie Goodwin: RaymondQGillet: I hate to bust up the circlejerk, but support for Trump remains high among the enlisted. Talking about oaths and service to the community is nice, but it's just talk. Historically, the involvement of the National Guard has not gone well for us. If the top brass is hoping that troops will choose them over their pyrite idol, they're probably doomed to disappointment.

If the enlisted go rogue then they can support Donnie* from Leavenworth.


From which they will be pardoned and reinstated. Did you forget about Sealy McWarcrimes? Besides which, none of that will undo whatever damage they choose to do.

The cops live in the communities they ostensibly serve, and they were just looking for an excuse to open up on us. Our PD has already put out a statement about escalation of force if we try to cover tear gas cannisters. A peaceful protestor lost an eye to a rubber bullet. The cop didn't bounce it off of shiat, just shot him straight in the face. And this was all after peacefully interacting with our protest leaders. One girl even gave them flowers. So what are these guys from out of town going to be willing to do to us?
 
2020-06-04 12:06:20 PM  

AdrienVeidt: BeesNuts: AdrienVeidt: Gosh, such a rebuke!  It sure is nice to see the military do jack shiat except wipe their asses with their oaths.

This is an official public statement from one of the highest ranking military officials in our country explicitly instructing every member of every branch of the armed service to ... not do that.

And having jack shiat for effect because their oaths mean shiat.


I guess we'll find out.  Hopefully you're wrong.
 
2020-06-04 12:07:26 PM  

BadReligion: JustSurfin: "The fate of their democracy is now in the hands of the Generals" is not a sentence I ever expected to write about America. Yet, there it is."

https://twitter.com/tomperrine/status/​1267677198615343105

Because the elected civilian lead ship has turned against the civilians.


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2020-06-04 12:07:36 PM  

RaymondQGillet: Archie Goodwin: RaymondQGillet: I hate to bust up the circlejerk, but support for Trump remains high among the enlisted. Talking about oaths and service to the community is nice, but it's just talk. Historically, the involvement of the National Guard has not gone well for us. If the top brass is hoping that troops will choose them over their pyrite idol, they're probably doomed to disappointment.

If the enlisted go rogue then they can support Donnie* from Leavenworth.

From which they will be pardoned and reinstated. Did you forget about Sealy McWarcrimes? Besides which, none of that will undo whatever damage they choose to do.

The cops live in the communities they ostensibly serve, and they were just looking for an excuse to open up on us. Our PD has already put out a statement about escalation of force if we try to cover tear gas cannisters. A peaceful protestor lost an eye to a rubber bullet. The cop didn't bounce it off of shiat, just shot him straight in the face. And this was all after peacefully interacting with our protest leaders. One girl even gave them flowers. So what are these guys from out of town going to be willing to do to us?


That is the problem they do NOT live in the community

8% of th MPD live in the city

https://www.startribune.com/few-minne​a​polis-cops-live-inside-city-limits/441​581413/
 
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