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2020-06-04 3:18:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

They aren't mercs.

They're the prison riot squad.

We've even got a thread about it.

https://www.fark.com/comments/10835341

Although honestly it's not much of an improvement.


You can buy drugs from them. Can't do that with mercs.
 
2020-06-04 3:18:48 AM  
I found an antifa to report to the FBI

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2020-06-04 3:19:59 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.


Mattis isn't behind said doors these days. And SecDef is just covering his ass.
 
2020-06-04 3:20:07 AM  

ox45tallboy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

They aren't mercs.

They're the prison riot squad.

We've even got a thread about it.

https://www.fark.com/comments/10835341

Although honestly it's not much of an improvement.


Bringing the riot squad to a potential riot isn't stark raving madness.
Bringing in mercenaries sure would be.
 
2020-06-04 3:20:36 AM  

FightDirector: For anyone who does not recognize the seriousness of that letter, GEN Milley is laying the groundwork to do two things:

1) To protect his own job AND the job of anyone who Trump tries to forcibly relieve of duty.  All that letter officially says is to protect American values: that is also a direct instruction written in "command-ese" to disobey orders from any source - very definitely including POTUS - which run contrary to those values.  The way it is written, the only "reason" to relieve anyone of their position who agrees with that letter is that you plan to take actions contrary to those American values.  QED, if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.

2) Equally as serious, if not more so, Milley is laying the legal and ethical groundwork for a potential mutiny.  Not a coup, necessarily (in fact almost certainly not), but definitely a mutiny against the presidential chain of command.  Particularly and especially with that handwritten addendum.  He is careful to call out and defend both the explicit chain of command and the moral authority from the state governors, and then says in multiple ways that their ultimate duty is to American values and the American people.  NOT orders from the president.  If this goes down the way it is looking, this letter will frame the action as a defense of American values and the American people, against a president who not only doesn't care about either one of those, but is actively working to the detriment of those things.

Finally, the fact that his name is attached to this and it's been released publicly is just gigantic.  Serving military officers don't do that.  They don't release overtly political statements like this, no matter what we might wish Mattis had done years ago.  There's literally hundreds of years of tradition (in an institution where tradition really matters, no matter what cynics might think) and officers have it hammered home over and over and over aga ...


This is huge, also because if Trump tries to force rescheduling of the election or cancelling it with the support of the military or by using emergency powers, the Chairman basically told him he won't be able to use the military or national guard. Trump's only armed forces he can therefore command in the case of a coup or civil war would be the CBP and the Secret Service. Maybe the FBI and BATF.
 
2020-06-04 3:21:19 AM  
Trump moves from one area to another. He destroys it, blames others, and moves on with no regard toward fixing the mess. Trade wars, treaties, middle east, his wall, the ACA, infrastructure, pandemic, etc. He has the attention span of a fruit fly. When he discovers a new toy he plays with it frequently until he gets bored with it. He's a bully that recently realized he could literally knock the s*** out of anybody that disagreed with him. He attacked American citizens with no provocation and a legal ability to do so. I genuinely believe this is the military's way of saying f*** you, that's as far as you go. We're not your personal Goon Squad. Can't wait to see what happens when he tries to fire 'his' generals.
 
2020-06-04 3:21:48 AM  

shastacola: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat. Has this EVER happened? Have military commanders ever felt the need to send a letter like this basically saying "do not listen to this goddamn moron we have for a president"?

No, for about the 4th month in a row, we're in uncharted territory.


So both completely unprecedented and about damned time.
 
2020-06-04 3:22:02 AM  

Samfucious: WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT!?


Dude, *everybody* knows it. The nice bagger with Down's syndrome, down at the Foodmart, knows it.
 
2020-06-04 3:22:13 AM  

SpockYouOut: How long until the miltary protects peaceful protestors from the police?


Soon
 
2020-06-04 3:22:42 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: lolmao500: Approval rating by institution :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/conf​idence-institutions.aspx
The military : 73%
Supreme Court : 38%
Congress : 11%
The police : 53% (probably much lower than that today)
The just-us system : 24%

Trump : 42%


I say if the military were to move against Trump tomorrow if he gives illegal orders, they would have the backing of 3/4 of americans.

No they wouldn't.

3/4 support the military when they are the good guys. Only 26% will support the military gunning down American civilians.


How does not following Trump's illegal orders mean gunning down American civilians, wtf are you talking about?
 
2020-06-04 3:24:15 AM  

Smoking GNU: BafflerMeal: mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?

No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.

That's some pretty damn shiatty design.


Heh, you want to hear shiatty, from 1962 to 1977, the code that unlocked the nukes was 00000000.
 
2020-06-04 3:24:21 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: SpockYouOut: How long until the miltary protects peaceful protestors from the police?

Soon


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2020-06-04 3:24:32 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: ox45tallboy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

They aren't mercs.

They're the prison riot squad.

We've even got a thread about it.

https://www.fark.com/comments/10835341

Although honestly it's not much of an improvement.

Bringing the riot squad to a potential riot isn't stark raving madness.
Bringing in mercenaries sure would be.


Well a prison riot squad is probably used to being able to do things that you'd normally not get away with in full public view. However, the regular police are already shooting rubber bullets at people's eyes. So....
 
2020-06-04 3:24:48 AM  

Stupid Guitar: Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.

Given that this is one of the leakiest administrations ever, we'll probably hear about it on Friday.


There's a lot of stuff we dont hear about. The stuff that kellyanne isn't around for. The stuff Ivanka does leak to Maggie Haberman because it would make daddy look bad.


I'm guessing Kelly Anne wouldn't have been in a meeting with fat slob and the joint chiefs, so it wouldn't leak out so easily.

Trump said something to those generals. He told them something or asked them something. Within 24 hours secdef went from talking about battlespaces to the chairman of the joint chiefs putting out this letter.

Something earth shattering had to have been said to generate a letter like this.

My hunch is... after the Bible thing and trump saw all the "fark trump" graffiti, he suggested they arm the troops. He probably asked about apaches and navy seals and snipers and armored divisions rolling in to busy heads.

With that they'd just ignore it, because they've heard it before. I would bet they started hearing about trump and Jared and Miller have side conversations down the chain of command. And the crazy they thought they could ignore might start moving underneath them.

Whatever that fat sack of KFC grease said, scared everyone... people that didn't blink about being ordered to sacrifice thousands in Iraq or men to sneak into a hostile country to canoe bin laden. These guys don't scare easily. He said or did something that scared them.

Whatever it was, they don't want it to leak, because that would immediately get the maga scum on board and orange faced mushroom dick would make sure it happened.

That's how you know it's really really bad.
 
2020-06-04 3:25:10 AM  

BadReligion: JustSurfin: "The fate of their democracy is now in the hands of the Generals" is not a sentence I ever expected to write about America. Yet, there it is."

https://twitter.com/tomperrine/status/​1267677198615343105

Because the elected civilian lead ship has turned against the civilians.


Jesus farking Christ.  (Yes, that will be filtered)

That sounds like Egypt under Morsi, after they kicked out Mubarak.

Now look what they've got.
 
2020-06-04 3:26:47 AM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.

We've all seen Trump strut around and act as though he has his own personal army to command.
I think that the adults are telling him that he does not.


Yes, agreed. But why now?

He said something. Something happened.

They barely flinched when he wanted a military parade, because it's stupid and dumb and basically harmless.

But not this. Whatever it was.
 
2020-06-04 3:26:52 AM  
Oh yeah, him and what army?
 
2020-06-04 3:27:03 AM  

I want that sauce Morty!: apocryphaandmyth: ox45tallboy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

They aren't mercs.

They're the prison riot squad.

We've even got a thread about it.

https://www.fark.com/comments/10835341

Although honestly it's not much of an improvement.

Bringing the riot squad to a potential riot isn't stark raving madness.
Bringing in mercenaries sure would be.

Well a prison riot squad is probably used to being able to do things that you'd normally not get away with in full public view. However, the regular police are already shooting rubber bullets at people's eyes. So....


I'm not saying the prison riot squad is a measured, reasonable response to civil unrest.  I'm saying it's on the map.  It shares a border with territory that shares a border with reasonable.
 
2020-06-04 3:27:07 AM  

BafflerMeal: mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?

No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.


Oh yes there are.

We've averted WWIII on multiple occasions when verified orders came through but the guys on watch wouldn't turn the keys. The orders turned out to be screwups, but it's only because those orders were disobeyed that we aren't in Fallout 4.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_​o​f_nuclear_close_calls

I've got faith in the system. American watch guys may have been in their share of  trouble in the past with the testing scandals and what not, but they do have access to current events. Literally none of them want to start WWIII, and I think they'll have a grasp on the situation if the orders ever do come through.
 
2020-06-04 3:27:09 AM  

Smoking GNU: lolmao500: Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.

Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.

A gunbattle between the military and a  facist-takeover army loyal to the evil shouty yam of hate and chaos in DC? And you don't think it'd instantly spread all over the country with cries of "The military has betrayed dear leader" under the usual derp brigade? That's how you get 20 of insurgency and carbombings in your country.


I am OK with this. It is the only way I can see to cut out the cancer and cauterize the wound. Fox and Sinclair et al have pushed things too far anything else. And I think the Trumpers will not last that long.
 
2020-06-04 3:29:12 AM  

shpritz: Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.

Mattis isn't behind said doors these days. And SecDef is just covering his ass.


come on. You've never talked to an old co-worker about the boss you still report to?

He said something terrifying and scary and one of them talked to Mattis... hey bud, remember the crazy boss? He said x,y, and z today. I'm writing a letter. Oh, youll do one too? Perfect. That'll help. Thanks bud. See you at Smith's BBQ in 4 weeks.
 
2020-06-04 3:29:32 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: lolmao500: Approval rating by institution :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/conf​idence-institutions.aspx
The military : 73%
Supreme Court : 38%
Congress : 11%
The police : 53% (probably much lower than that today)
The just-us system : 24%

Trump : 42%


I say if the military were to move against Trump tomorrow if he gives illegal orders, they would have the backing of 3/4 of americans.

No they wouldn't.

3/4 support the military when they are the good guys. Only 26% will support the military gunning down American civilians.


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2020-06-04 3:30:08 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Smoking GNU: BafflerMeal: mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?

No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.

That's some pretty damn shiatty design.

Heh, you want to hear shiatty, from 1962 to 1977, the code that unlocked the nukes was 00000000.


Yup, heard about that one already.
 
2020-06-04 3:30:20 AM  

mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?


Good thing they changed it from 00000000 before he was elected.
 
2020-06-04 3:31:08 AM  

Hand Banana: Cubansaltyballs: lolmao500: Approval rating by institution :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/conf​idence-institutions.aspx
The military : 73%
Supreme Court : 38%
Congress : 11%
The police : 53% (probably much lower than that today)
The just-us system : 24%

Trump : 42%


I say if the military were to move against Trump tomorrow if he gives illegal orders, they would have the backing of 3/4 of americans.

No they wouldn't.

3/4 support the military when they are the good guys. Only 26% will support the military gunning down American civilians.

How does not following Trump's illegal orders mean gunning down American civilians, wtf are you talking about?


I read your thing wrong. My bad. I thought you were saying 75% would support the military following an illegal order.

Sorry about that.
 
2020-06-04 3:31:38 AM  
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2020-06-04 3:31:55 AM  

Smoking GNU: lolmao500: Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.

Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.

A gunbattle between the military and a  facist-takeover army loyal to the evil shouty yam of hate and chaos in DC? And you don't think it'd instantly spread all over the country with cries of "The military has betrayed dear leader" under the usual derp brigade? That's how you get 20 of insurgency and carbombings in your country.


Good. Burn out the hornets.
 
2020-06-04 3:32:18 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Trump moves from one area to another. He destroys it, blames others, and moves on with no regard toward fixing the mess. Trade wars, treaties, middle east, his wall, the ACA, infrastructure, pandemic, etc. He has the attention span of a fruit fly. When he discovers a new toy he plays with it frequently until he gets bored with it. He's a bully that recently realized he could literally knock the s*** out of anybody that disagreed with him. He attacked American citizens with no provocation and a legal ability to do so. I genuinely believe this is the military's way of saying f*** you, that's as far as you go. We're not your personal Goon Squad. Can't wait to see what happens when he tries to fire 'his' generals.


He'll appoint new ones that are of the same quality as his current advisors and Cabinet. It won't get the military to execute illegal orders and he will just have the police and federal agency personnel do it instead. This will likely limit the incident to just DC, but it is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back. The protests would shift from being about police brutality in general to removing Trump for ordering police brutality.

\it is going to be a long time till November comes around
\\I don't know if my liver can take it
 
2020-06-04 3:33:57 AM  

Greil: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: chawco: yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.

they don't have the legal authority to remove him from the White House. They can decline to follow his orders if they think they've is illegal, but that's all they can do.

Anything else is in fact a military coup. Only Congress can remove the president.

Declining to follow Trumps orders can be the same as a coup depending on who they do decide to follow.

Near as I can tell, the appropriate answer is not to defy all of the chaos goblin's orders, just the illegal ones. Follow all applicable previous legal orders, decline illegal ones, and wait for the next legal order. It's a hell of a fine line to tread but that's how you're supposed to do it.

Of course, declining even an illegal order will get you masted at best unless you can prove it was illegal.

/ Most of his orders will be illegal by now I expect


The letter doesn't say that only illegal orders will be refused.

It says to refuse orders that go against American values.

That is quite a bit broader than just illegal orders.
 
2020-06-04 3:34:44 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.


He wanted troops to gun down protesters like his personal death squad. Then, he probably proposed airstrikes on black majority neighborhoods in major cities.

That teargas photo op showed the generals why you don't let a toddler play with matches.

With any luck, Two Scoops' little stunt just cost him the United States military.
 
2020-06-04 3:34:50 AM  

Brat E. Pants: I just wanted to briefly interrupt and tell subby I appreciated the headline. Been a while since one has made me laugh out loud. I'm kinda fond of the "your mom" ones.

/I have a juvenile sense of humor


We're all fond of your mom. Headlines I mean.
 
2020-06-04 3:37:13 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Hand Banana: Cubansaltyballs: lolmao500: Approval rating by institution :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/conf​idence-institutions.aspx
The military : 73%
Supreme Court : 38%
Congress : 11%
The police : 53% (probably much lower than that today)
The just-us system : 24%

Trump : 42%


I say if the military were to move against Trump tomorrow if he gives illegal orders, they would have the backing of 3/4 of americans.

No they wouldn't.

3/4 support the military when they are the good guys. Only 26% will support the military gunning down American civilians.

How does not following Trump's illegal orders mean gunning down American civilians, wtf are you talking about?

I read your thing wrong. My bad. I thought you were saying 75% would support the military following an illegal order.

Sorry about that.


It was lolmao500's post but no worries.
 
2020-06-04 3:39:15 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: shpritz: Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.

Mattis isn't behind said doors these days. And SecDef is just covering his ass.

come on. You've never talked to an old co-worker about the boss you still report to?

He said something terrifying and scary and one of them talked to Mattis... hey bud, remember the crazy boss? He said x,y, and z today. I'm writing a letter. Oh, youll do one too? Perfect. That'll help. Thanks bud. See you at Smith's BBQ in 4 weeks.


It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.

SecDef, like I said, is seeing where the wind is blowing and covering his ass.

That's not to say Milley isn't reacting to something Trump told him to do. I just don't think it's some coordinated gameplan.

And let's not forget that Trump is the guy that wanted to nuke a hurricane, so Milley has probably heard a lot of terrifying stuff.
 
2020-06-04 3:40:21 AM  
I really do think the tide is finally turning against the toddler in chief, and the great thing is the more people go against him the more he will throw tantrums and screw up, meaning he loses even more support. Of course he will never lose the support of his braindead cult but they are just a loudmouthed minority so who cares.
 
2020-06-04 3:40:26 AM  

stoli n coke: Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.

He wanted troops to gun down protesters like his personal death squad. Then, he probably proposed airstrikes on black majority neighborhoods in major cities.

That teargas photo op showed the generals why you don't let a toddler play with matches.

With any luck, Two Scoops' little stunt just cost him the United States military.


Definitely the officer corps.

The rank and file... probably not.

But we've got like 150 more days of tiny dick wrapped in a bad suit with his face covered makeup from the  thousand island dressing collection who sees every govt asset, especially the military as his own props for his campaign. And to make that limp-dick coward piece of rotting shiat feel like a man for the first time since he raped that 7th grader at Jeff's rape menagerie.
 
2020-06-04 3:44:06 AM  

shpritz: Cubansaltyballs: shpritz: Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.

Mattis isn't behind said doors these days. And SecDef is just covering his ass.

come on. You've never talked to an old co-worker about the boss you still report to?

He said something terrifying and scary and one of them talked to Mattis... hey bud, remember the crazy boss? He said x,y, and z today. I'm writing a letter. Oh, youll do one too? Perfect. That'll help. Thanks bud. See you at Smith's BBQ in 4 weeks.

It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.

SecDef, like I said, is seeing where the wind is blowing and covering his ass.

That's not to say Milley isn't reacting to something Trump told him to do. I just don't think it's some coordinated gameplan.

And let's not forget that Trump is the guy that wanted to nuke a hurricane, so Milley has probably heard a lot of terrifying stuff.


I know military guys become family after serving together. I'm 1000% certain miley and mattis remained close. They both stopped horribly dumb things in the past.

The letter makes me think this actually could happen or was in motion and it terrified them it might actually farking happen.

The nuke thing is easy. He's just a dummy. Remove random storms from any possible strike package and it's moot.

I think something really wild happened.
 
2020-06-04 3:44:39 AM  

Samfucious: WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT!?


About 9 months before you were born, I suppose.

/Luke, I am your father
 
2020-06-04 3:45:43 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Definitely the officer corps.

The rank and file... probably not.


Eh, I know plenty of lower-level officers and senior enlisted and W-Xes that will be on the friction point between command and the actual boots on the ground. Most of them are horrified at the prospect of even being put in their current position, and will likely balk at relaying orders that they think might be illegal.
 
2020-06-04 3:49:01 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.


He was asking about what military vehicles could be deployed and mentioned tanks.

'Trump is talking about using tanks to quell the George Floyd protests'
 
2020-06-04 3:49:04 AM  
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2020-06-04 3:52:56 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Whatever it was, they don't want it to leak, because that would immediately get the maga scum on board and orange faced mushroom dick would make sure it happened.

That's how you know it's really really bad.


Could be, or it could be that Gen. Milley saw Barr order those cops to gas those protesters without provocation for a stupid photo op, put 2 and 2 together, and figured it was only a matter of time before the Orange Idiot did something similar involving U.S. troops.

That's not to say the U.S. version of Tiananmen Square isn't still in the future, just that it will most likely involve secret police and Erik Prince's mercs, rather than active-duty military.
 
2020-06-04 3:53:13 AM  

Boo_Guy: Cubansaltyballs: I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

He was asking about what military vehicles could be deployed and mentioned tanks.

'Trump is talking about using tanks to quell the George Floyd protests'


Probably led off the rant with, "I was just speaking with Vladimir, and he suggested..."

/ Bugger
 
2020-06-04 3:53:40 AM  

shpritz: It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.


Quick point.  Evidently there are several other publicly released memos as well. This is just the highest-priority one.  Here are two of them.  Note that these are all coming out essentially simultaneously, which would indicate to me a smaller degree of coincidence that you're ascribing.

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2020-06-04 3:53:52 AM  

GWSuperfan: Cubansaltyballs: Definitely the officer corps.

The rank and file... probably not.

Eh, I know plenty of lower-level officers and senior enlisted and W-Xes that will be on the friction point between command and the actual boots on the ground. Most of them are horrified at the prospect of even being put in their current position, and will likely balk at relaying orders that they think might be illegal.


I only know a few active ones. I was chatting with one of them. Asked him what he thought. He brushed it off as "never gonna happen so don't fret about it" kind of thing.

He knows how bad it would be. We're not a 3rd world country. We've got tons of guns and resources that would make the Iraqi insurgency look like a petting zoo. He just doesn't want to think about those two awful awful choices... refuse orders or get blown up by his countrymen with homemade bombs in 3d printed drones.
 
2020-06-04 3:56:51 AM  

FightDirector: shpritz: It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.

Quick point.  Evidently there are several other publicly released memos as well. This is just the highest-priority one.  Here are two of them.  Note that these are all coming out essentially simultaneously, which would indicate to me a smaller degree of coincidence that you're ascribing.

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I've got my hunch. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

But I just don't see all them doing that because of what they saw on the news.
 
2020-06-04 3:59:55 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: FightDirector: shpritz: It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.

Quick point.  Evidently there are several other publicly released memos as well. This is just the highest-priority one.  Here are two of them.  Note that these are all coming out essentially simultaneously, which would indicate to me a smaller degree of coincidence that you're ascribing.

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I've got my hunch. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

But I just don't see all them doing that because of what they saw on the news.


For clarity, I was supporting your view.  I think that of the various theories ascribed thus far, yours is probably the closest to being correct.  Someone high up in the civilian command structure said or did something, and given the only faster-than-light communication method known to man is the military rumor mill, word of that flashed around the military as they heard what they might be expected to do.  There's too many memos all hitting the same rhetorical points, in too short a time, and SecDef's flip is too fast, to be the result of media or public pressure: it almost has to be an internal matter.
 
2020-06-04 4:00:06 AM  

Klyukva: mrparks: So this is what the GOP pivot looks like. Let Dumbtr*mp run things into the ground, and then swoop in and save us.

YAY!

Once again proving that for people like you, the problem was never with what Trump did but with which party he belonged too.

/ We also saw it when party-before-principles Democrats said people should rally behind Bloomberg if he won the primary.
// Thankfully that didn't come close to happening.


As I recall, they said people should rally behind the nominee. It was never in any danger of being Bloomberg, unless *oogabooga* there was a brokered convention. They being AOC, and it was directed at those who might be disgruntled by Bernie not being nominated. Context, meet nuance.
That is the third thing you've gotten wrong in that post alone, and frankly, the only one worth addressing.
 
2020-06-04 4:05:12 AM  

twistedknickers: My goodness! A strongly worded letter!

Like bringing an email to a gunfight, not going to matter when the thugs start killing protesters.


strange. why exactly is it that SO many old, OLD friends are just soooo....."conservative", slimy, ignorant, and hateful when it comes to the freedoms that make america great?  i think those are the adjectives i was grasping for! when it comes to the old old -and seldom seen- dear friends.....

it's JUST SO WEIRD.......
 
2020-06-04 4:05:23 AM  

FightDirector: Cubansaltyballs: FightDirector: shpritz: It's possible. But that's a lot of assumption. I think Mattis is just reacting to more or less what we're all seeing. Trump said in public that he wants the military to quell the protests. You don't need any inside information to come to the conclussions that Mattis came to.

Quick point.  Evidently there are several other publicly released memos as well. This is just the highest-priority one.  Here are two of them.  Note that these are all coming out essentially simultaneously, which would indicate to me a smaller degree of coincidence that you're ascribing.

[Fark user image image 850x967]

[Fark user image image 850x1097]

I've got my hunch. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

But I just don't see all them doing that because of what they saw on the news.

For clarity, I was supporting your view.  I think that of the various theories ascribed thus far, yours is probably the closest to being correct.  Someone high up in the civilian command structure said or did something, and given the only faster-than-light communication method known to man is the military rumor mill, word of that flashed around the military as they heard what they might be expected to do.  There's too many memos all hitting the same rhetorical points, in too short a time, and SecDef's flip is too fast, to be the result of media or public pressure: it almost has to be an internal matter.


Exactly.

I thought you were agreeing they all  saw the same news report and took it upon themselves to do wild shiat.

Something really crazy happened. We'll find out one day. Like all the times when we found out how close we came to nuclear war 20 years after the event.

It couldn't just be that he said something dumb. No one would care. His dumb crazy thing probably started moving and it freaked everyone out.
 
2020-06-04 4:05:52 AM  
He's a Seminar XXI grad along with Mike Rogers. That means a lot.

/Met them both there, extremely briefly.
 
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