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2020-06-04 2:35:47 AM  
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2020-06-04 2:36:01 AM  

GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.


That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.
 
2020-06-04 2:36:58 AM  
So he'll be fired next week?
 
2020-06-04 2:37:10 AM  

Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.


While you're making things up that people are getting excited about a "military coup"  how about imagining me a steak or something...I'm hungry and lazy at the same time.
 
2020-06-04 2:37:49 AM  

Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.


Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.
 
2020-06-04 2:39:26 AM  
Trump either tries to play this off like 'of course we believe in free speech, i directed him to say that', or he's removed as Chairman. Probably being removed, because Trump never likes anybody who works for him saying negative shiat about him. It might not be this week, but it will be before Trump is out of office.
 
2020-06-04 2:39:38 AM  

yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.


Which actually reassured me and gives me a tiny glimmer of hope.
 
2020-06-04 2:40:15 AM  
WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MOM AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT!?
 
2020-06-04 2:40:37 AM  

TWX: For all the threads that postulate what would happen if Trump loses and refuses to acknowledge that he lost in November through Inaguration in January, this is all the proof that you need that Trump's Presidency would be over.  The military has just been told to adhere to their oath to the Constitution, to the people of the United States.


We'll just have to wait and see how many of them will be willing to stick to that oath when the time comes.
 
2020-06-04 2:41:07 AM  
Lot of reading between the lines going on here. Sounds more like he's pushing all accountability to the governors and saying anything the guardsmen do that is illegal or against the spirit of the constitution is therefore the governor's responsibility.

Echoes of Trump's coronavirus response, actually.
 
2020-06-04 2:41:42 AM  

gopher321: Maybe this is why Pence has been scarce the past few days? Where is he, exactly?


According to my exhaustive five minutes of searching the internet he's planning a trip to Minneapolis to coincide with Obama's next week. No mention of what he's been doing outside of that for the last five days or so. Making some kind of attempt at outreach is the sort of thing he'd do if he was still being loyal to the administration or if he was preparing to get a battlefield promotion, so I don't think we can draw much from that. Keeping distance from the President on the other hand is just a good idea right now.
 
2020-06-04 2:43:03 AM  

quiotu: make me some tea: The Mattis op-ed in The Atlantic was a shot across Trump's bow.

The Milley letter to the heads of all military branch is a declaration of independence.

Wow. I'm at the same time floored, impressed, and terrified.

I'm not terribly surprised. This is the General that every time I saw him at a Trump presser or meeting, looked like he wanted to be anywhere else with every fiber of his being.

His sworn duty to the country kept him there, but I have a feeling this guy hopes he's one of the people that gets to forcibly remove the pasty old coward from the Oval Office when it happens.


Much like Mattis and Kelly caught in video shots.
 
2020-06-04 2:44:46 AM  

yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.


Following orders and overthrowing the government are not the only two options here. You have a helluva a x- axis going on.
 
2020-06-04 2:45:28 AM  

Original: Original Tweet:


This was nice. TY, subby .
 
2020-06-04 2:45:33 AM  
This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?
 
2020-06-04 2:46:36 AM  

mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?


No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.
 
2020-06-04 2:47:46 AM  

anuran: This is a statement that the military command will not obey illegal orders or commit crimes against humanity. It is laying the groundwork for mutiny.


It is not mutiny to disregard an unlawful order.
Mutiny or following unlawful orders against US citizens would both result in a military dictatorship.
 
2020-06-04 2:48:14 AM  

FightDirector: For anyone who does not recognize the seriousness of that letter, GEN Milley is laying the groundwork to do two things:

1) To protect his own job AND the job of anyone who Trump tries to forcibly relieve of duty.  All that letter officially says is to protect American values: that is also a direct instruction written in "command-ese" to disobey orders from any source - very definitely including POTUS - which run contrary to those values.  The way it is written, the only "reason" to relieve anyone of their position who agrees with that letter is that you plan to take actions contrary to those American values.  QED, if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.

2) Equally as serious, if not more so, Milley is laying the legal and ethical groundwork for a potential mutiny.  Not a coup, necessarily (in fact almost certainly not), but definitely a mutiny against the presidential chain of command.  Particularly and especially with that handwritten addendum.  He is careful to call out and defend both the explicit chain of command and the moral authority from the state governors, and then says in multiple ways that their ultimate duty is to American values and the American people.  NOT orders from the president.  If this goes down the way it is looking, this letter will frame the action as a defense of American values and the American people, against a president who not only doesn't care about either one of those, but is actively working to the detriment of those things.

Finally, the fact that his name is attached to this and it's been released publicly is just gigantic.  Serving military officers don't do that.  They don't release overtly political statements like this, no matter what we might wish Mattis had done years ago.  There's literally hundreds of years of tradition (in an institution where tradition really matters, no matter what cynics might think) and officers have it hammered home over and over and over aga ...


Thank you for the differentiation between coup and mutiny.

As for American values, well, I wish he would spell them out, because a lot of Americans still seem to think that security after 9/11 means segregation, and American values are about successful nice people policing sad people who live in communities of broken windows. Broken windows theory is an American ideology, and it seems rampant the last 9 nights.
 
2020-06-04 2:51:38 AM  

BadReligion: JustSurfin: "The fate of their democracy is now in the hands of the Generals" is not a sentence I ever expected to write about America. Yet, there it is."

https://twitter.com/tomperrine/status/​1267677198615343105

Because the elected civilian lead ship has turned against the civilians.


Citizens, instead of civilians.

I remember a film scene where people rose up against an occupying army of fascists, but I cannot find the clip.

So I got this long version.

Arise, Citizens

"La Marseillaise" - France National anthem French & English lyrics
Youtube laWIjgWDesE
 
2020-06-04 2:52:22 AM  

FightDirector: For anyone who does not recognize the seriousness of that letter, GEN Milley is laying the groundwork to do two things:

1) To protect his own job AND the job of anyone who Trump tries to forcibly relieve of duty.  All that letter officially says is to protect American values: that is also a direct instruction written in "command-ese" to disobey orders from any source - very definitely including POTUS - which run contrary to those values.  The way it is written, the only "reason" to relieve anyone of their position who agrees with that letter is that you plan to take actions contrary to those American values.  QED, if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.

2) Equally as serious, if not more so, Milley is laying the legal and ethical groundwork for a potential mutiny.  Not a coup, necessarily (in fact almost certainly not), but definitely a mutiny against the presidential chain of command.  Particularly and especially with that handwritten addendum.  He is careful to call out and defend both the explicit chain of command and the moral authority from the state governors, and then says in multiple ways that their ultimate duty is to American values and the American people.  NOT orders from the president.  If this goes down the way it is looking, this letter will frame the action as a defense of American values and the American people, against a president who not only doesn't care about either one of those, but is actively working to the detriment of those things.

Finally, the fact that his name is attached to this and it's been released publicly is just gigantic.  Serving military officers don't do that.  They don't release overtly political statements like this, no matter what we might wish Mattis had done years ago.  There's literally hundreds of years of tradition (in an institution where tradition really matters, no matter what cynics might think) and officers have it hammered home over and over and over again over years do not interfere in or publicly speak about the political process or chain of command without an incrediblygood reason.  Here, GEN Milley has done both. Overtly.

Mattis's letter was a broadside against the office of the president.  This letter is damn near a nuke.


I am pleasantly surprised based on recent fark.com days that yours is the initial message in the thread. Dumb and "controversial" opinions have seemed to always magically been the initial message.

I am overwhelmingly thankful to you personally for the knowledgeable and informative post.
 
2020-06-04 2:54:55 AM  

yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.


they don't have the legal authority to remove him from the White House. They can decline to follow his orders if they think they've is illegal, but that's all they can do.

Anything else is in fact a military coup. Only Congress can remove the president.
 
2020-06-04 2:55:20 AM  

lolmao500: Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.

Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.


A gunbattle between the military and a  facist-takeover army loyal to the evil shouty yam of hate and chaos in DC? And you don't think it'd instantly spread all over the country with cries of "The military has betrayed dear leader" under the usual derp brigade? That's how you get 20 of insurgency and carbombings in your country.
 
2020-06-04 2:55:42 AM  

King Something: https://twitter.com/ChiefNGB/status/1​2​68335177484419073

USAF General Joseph Lengyel  is siding with the protesters.


Was this released publicly, or an internal memo that was leaked?
 
2020-06-04 2:56:24 AM  
To all the farkers who said "if Dumpy doesn't leave, he will be removed," I hope that this letter signifies the beginning of my apology for doubting you. FuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuarkI really hope to be apologizing soon.
 
2020-06-04 2:56:54 AM  

gopher321: Maybe this is why Pence has been scarce the past few days? Where is he, exactly?


He's been hiding with Trump in the White House basement.
 
2020-06-04 2:58:14 AM  

ReaverZ: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat. Has this EVER happened? Have military commanders ever felt the need to send a letter like this basically saying "do not listen to this goddamn moron we have for a president"?

MacArthur pretty much did.


So did Patton.
 
2020-06-04 2:58:40 AM  

OK So Amuse Me: FightDirector: For anyone who does not recognize the seriousness of that letter, GEN Milley is laying the groundwork to do two things:

1) To protect his own job AND the job of anyone who Trump tries to forcibly relieve of duty.  All that letter officially says is to protect American values: that is also a direct instruction written in "command-ese" to disobey orders from any source - very definitely including POTUS - which run contrary to those values.  The way it is written, the only "reason" to relieve anyone of their position who agrees with that letter is that you plan to take actions contrary to those American values.  QED, if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.

2) Equally as serious, if not more so, Milley is laying the legal and ethical groundwork for a potential mutiny.  Not a coup, necessarily (in fact almost certainly not), but definitely a mutiny against the presidential chain of command.  Particularly and especially with that handwritten addendum.  He is careful to call out and defend both the explicit chain of command and the moral authority from the state governors, and then says in multiple ways that their ultimate duty is to American values and the American people.  NOT orders from the president.  If this goes down the way it is looking, this letter will frame the action as a defense of American values and the American people, against a president who not only doesn't care about either one of those, but is actively working to the detriment of those things.

Finally, the fact that his name is attached to this and it's been released publicly is just gigantic.  Serving military officers don't do that.  They don't release overtly political statements like this, no matter what we might wish Mattis had done years ago.  There's literally hundreds of years of tradition (in an institution where tradition really matters, no matter what cynics might think) and officers have it hammered home over and over and over aga ...

I do hope you are righter than right. My Dad was Air Force but he was out before he met my Mom so I don't really have any solid grounding in Military things.


Teehee, as a weirdo trying to decide if Pride will give me enough of an excuse to come out to my fam, I read this very, very differently than you intended it to begin with :-D
 
2020-06-04 2:58:41 AM  
So this is what the GOP pivot looks like. Let Dumbtr*mp run things into the ground, and then swoop in and save us.

YAY!
 
2020-06-04 3:00:35 AM  
Wow.

Shiat just got real.
 
2020-06-04 3:00:37 AM  

chawco: yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.

they don't have the legal authority to remove him from the White House. They can decline to follow his orders if they think they've is illegal, but that's all they can do.

Anything else is in fact a military coup. Only Congress can remove the president.


Declining to follow Trumps orders can be the same as a coup depending on who they do decide to follow.
 
2020-06-04 3:01:10 AM  

Medic Zero: King Something: https://twitter.com/ChiefNGB/status/12​68335177484419073

USAF General Joseph Lengyel  is siding with the protesters.

Was this released publicly, or an internal memo that was leaked?


Publicly. Published on General Lengyel's official Twitter account.
 
2020-06-04 3:01:16 AM  

BafflerMeal: mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?

No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.


That's some pretty damn shiatty design.
 
2020-06-04 3:03:09 AM  

Smoking GNU: BafflerMeal: mr intrepid: This also means the president has lost access to the launch codes?

No. There is literally no check and balance to the nuclear football. By design.

That's some pretty damn shiatty design.


This is also true.
 
2020-06-04 3:03:53 AM  

mrparks: So this is what the GOP pivot looks like. Let Dumbtr*mp run things into the ground, and then swoop in and save us.

YAY!


Once again proving that for people like you, the problem was never with what Trump did but with which party he belonged too.

/ We also saw it when party-before-principles Democrats said people should rally behind Bloomberg if he won the primary.
// Thankfully that didn't come close to happening.
 
2020-06-04 3:04:07 AM  

Smoking GNU: lolmao500: Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.

Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.

A gunbattle between the military and a  facist-takeover army loyal to the evil shouty yam of hate and chaos in DC? And you don't think it'd instantly spread all over the country with cries of "The military has betrayed dear leader" under the usual derp brigade? That's how you get 20 of insurgency and carbombings in your country.


From what I've seen, I'd reckon 98% of those III%ers wouldn't last more than 48 hours.
 
2020-06-04 3:04:14 AM  

lolmao500: Boo_Guy: GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.

That's rather disturbing to think about. Did they put their own little private army together to carry out their deeds in case the actual army tells them no?

That could turn incredibly bad.

Would it? The army would slaughter the fascist scumbags shooting at americans, it would save us a ton of money in lawyers and trials.


If the army refuses his orders, maybe they won't be anywhere nearby to slaughter the fascists.  The army says no, we're not gonna go shoot the civvies, and Trump gets that worrisome no-ID private army to do it instead.  The army might be elsewhere.
 
2020-06-04 3:04:22 AM  

ox45tallboy: FightDirector: For anyone who does not recognize the seriousness of that letter, GEN Milley is laying the groundwork to do two things:

1) To protect his own job AND the job of anyone who Trump tries to forcibly relieve of duty.  All that letter officially says is to protect American values: that is also a direct instruction written in "command-ese" to disobey orders from any source - very definitely including POTUS - which run contrary to those values.  The way it is written, the only "reason" to relieve anyone of their position who agrees with that letter is that you plan to take actions contrary to those American values.  QED, if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.

2) Equally as serious, if not more so, Milley is laying the legal and ethical groundwork for a potential mutiny.  Not a coup, necessarily (in fact almost certainly not), but definitely a mutiny against the presidential chain of command.  Particularly and especially with that handwritten addendum.  He is careful to call out and defend both the explicit chain of command and the moral authority from the state governors, and then says in multiple ways that their ultimate duty is to American values and the American people.  NOT orders from the president.  If this goes down the way it is looking, this letter will frame the action as a defense of American values and the American people, against a president who not only doesn't care about either one of those, but is actively working to the detriment of those things.

Finally, the fact that his name is attached to this and it's been released publicly is just gigantic.  Serving military officers don't do that.  They don't release overtly political statements like this, no matter what we might wish Mattis had done years ago.  There's literally hundreds of years of tradition (in an institution where tradition really matters, no matter what cynics might think) and officers have it hammered home over and over and over aga ...

What;s interesting to me is I don't think any of the Trump loyalists are savvy enough to understand what this is and what it means. There's simply no one to explain what is actually being said here to Trump.


Some will know.  But are they going to call out the chairman for simply stating that he swore to uphold the constitution?  They can't say boo without starting a conversation about why they think it is a bad thing.

The smart move is to say "of course we all support the constitution!" and pivot to a new talking point.  Trump will probably  fire him or demand his resignation by Friday.
 
2020-06-04 3:04:50 AM  
Wow. Wow.
 
2020-06-04 3:06:06 AM  

Klyukva: / We also saw it when party-before-principles Democrats said people should rally behind Bloomberg if he won the primary.


I didn't see a single democrat saying that.
 
2020-06-04 3:08:01 AM  

King Something: Medic Zero: King Something: https://twitter.com/ChiefNGB/status/12​68335177484419073

USAF General Joseph Lengyel  is siding with the protesters.

Was this released publicly, or an internal memo that was leaked?

Publicly. Published on General Lengyel's official Twitter account.


The next meeting he has with Trump is either going to be full of shouting or just the normal awful that is working with Cheetolini. Can't wait to see the General taunt the derp monkey, especially if Trump doesn't find out about the subtext of the letter until commanders start refusing to obey illegal orders.
 
2020-06-04 3:08:03 AM  
When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.
 
2020-06-04 3:09:52 AM  

lolmao500: Approval rating by institution :
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/conf​idence-institutions.aspx
The military : 73%
Supreme Court : 38%
Congress : 11%
The police : 53% (probably much lower than that today)
The just-us system : 24%

Trump : 42%


I say if the military were to move against Trump tomorrow if he gives illegal orders, they would have the backing of 3/4 of americans.


No they wouldn't.

3/4 support the military when they are the good guys. Only 26% will support the military gunning down American civilians.
 
2020-06-04 3:10:52 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.


Given that this is one of the leakiest administrations ever, we'll probably hear about it on Friday.
 
2020-06-04 3:11:10 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: chawco: yukichigai: Rent Party: No it isn't a predicate for mutiny.  It is an effort to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks when you have a POTUS that is clearly out of control and unstable by reminding any troops that might be out there where the loyalty of their oath lies.

It is still a big damn deal, but lets not get all excited about a military coup or some stupid shiat like that.  It ain't happening, nor should it.

Clarification: the military isn't going to stage a coup, but they've now made it clear they're going to uphold the law of the land above all else. that could be where it ends, but if anyone in the administration decides to demand the military perform some blatantly illegal action and, for example, stakes their legitimacy on their orders being followed, the military is clearly not going to take the action that upholds their legitimacy.

In other words, not a coup per se, but they're given a choice by Trump to either follow his orders or remove him from the White House there is now zero ambiguity as to which of those options they'll go for.

they don't have the legal authority to remove him from the White House. They can decline to follow his orders if they think they've is illegal, but that's all they can do.

Anything else is in fact a military coup. Only Congress can remove the president.

Declining to follow Trumps orders can be the same as a coup depending on who they do decide to follow.


Near as I can tell, the appropriate answer is not to defy all of the chaos goblin's orders, just the illegal ones. Follow all applicable previous legal orders, decline illegal ones, and wait for the next legal order. It's a hell of a fine line to tread but that's how you're supposed to do it.

Of course, declining even an illegal order will get you masted at best unless you can prove it was illegal.

/ Most of his orders will be illegal by now I expect
 
2020-06-04 3:11:26 AM  

King Something: Medic Zero: King Something: https://twitter.com/ChiefNGB/status/12​68335177484419073

USAF General Joseph Lengyel  is siding with the protesters.

Was this released publicly, or an internal memo that was leaked?

Publicly. Published on General Lengyel's official Twitter account.


Thank you.
 
2020-06-04 3:13:15 AM  

VerifiedPoster: BadReligion: JustSurfin: "The fate of their democracy is now in the hands of the Generals" is not a sentence I ever expected to write about America. Yet, there it is."

https://twitter.com/tomperrine/status/​1267677198615343105

Because the elected civilian lead ship has turned against the civilians.

Citizens, instead of civilians.

I remember a film scene where people rose up against an occupying army of fascists, but I cannot find the clip.

So I got this long version.

Arise, Citizens

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Casablanca La Marseillaise
Youtube HM-E2H1ChJM
 
2020-06-04 3:15:53 AM  

GardenWeasel: Maybe this is the real reason why Barr bought mercs and DOJ  squads to DC.


They aren't mercs.

They're the prison riot squad.

We've even got a thread about it.

https://www.fark.com/comments/1083534​1

Although honestly it's not much of an improvement.
 
2020-06-04 3:17:00 AM  
FightDirector:
if they are relieved of duty by Trump now, it is because he plans to take those contrary actions.


yup.
 
2020-06-04 3:17:23 AM  

Shaggy_C: Lot of reading between the lines going on here. Sounds more like he's pushing all accountability to the governors and saying anything the guardsmen do that is illegal or against the spirit of the constitution is therefore the governor's responsibility.

Echoes of Trump's coronavirus response, actually.


Take another look at the letter.
 
2020-06-04 3:18:17 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: When secdef basically recanted and this letter and Mattis' letter...

I think something happened behind closed doors.

I think Trump said something so catastrophically alarming or gave an order so frightening they all got on the same page.

I am curious if he asked or started talking about tanks and Apache's and shooting protestors.

All these guys coming together like that didnt do it because of media pressure or from the shiat we saw on the news. Whatever it was, it was behind closed doors and scared the living shiat out of all these men.

One day we'll hear what it was and it'll terrify us, too.


We've all seen Trump strut around and act as though he has his own personal army to command.
I think that the adults are telling him that he does not.
 
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