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2020-06-02 11:45:17 PM  
From TFA: Humphrey was asked if a gun was recovered from the body of McAtee. He said the answer, as well as whether McAtee was shot by the police or the National Guard, will come out as the investigation unfolds.

He did say LMPD officers involved had not been questioned by investigators as of the press briefing, adding it is "typical that officers will have their legal counsel prior to interviewing." He said he expected those interviews to take place 48 hours after the incident.


Those are both bullshiat.

The first thing the cops do when there's an incident is separate everyone so they can't corroborate stories and secure any weapons.  They should immediately know if a weapon was recovered, and the shooting officers should have been immediately separated and detained if they did not recover a weapon.  The officers should be independently detained and their lawyers immediately summoned just like any other suspect would face when invoking their right to an attorney.
 
2020-06-02 11:57:37 PM  
He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF
 
2020-06-03 12:01:36 AM  

derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF


It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me
 
2020-06-03 12:06:24 AM  

sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me


In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.
 
2020-06-03 12:18:45 AM  

derpes_simplex: sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me

In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.


Well the Georgia Patrol was a making their rounds so he fired a shot just to flag them down.  And a fat bellied sheriff grabbed his gun and said why'd you do it.
 
2020-06-03 12:25:42 AM  

derpes_simplex: sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me

In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.


I just re-watched it.  Ugh.  So after several people come in, he goes out and pumps a couple rounds in the air.  I agree with your assessment.  Then he steps inside, waits a few seconds, then steps back out to do the same thing again but he's spotted now and gets shot as soon as he does.  That is the dumbest f*cking thing I have ever seen somebody do hands down.  He wasn't shooting at them I don't think.  I think he was just trying to pour some gas on the fire and it blew up in his face.  Did the cops returning fire know he wasn't shooting at them?  I have no idea, honestly either possibility seems plausible.  Either way, this is going to be ruled justifiable and is certainly a hell of a lot more justifiable than scores of other cop shootings given that label.  And I assume this was his own video that caught all this?  The stupidity just burns.
 
2020-06-03 12:37:04 AM  

derpes_simplex: derpes_simplex: sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me

In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.

I just re-watched it.  Ugh.  So after several people come in, he goes out and pumps a couple rounds in the air.  I agree with your assessment.  Then he steps inside, waits a few seconds, then steps back out to do the same thing again but he's spotted now and gets shot as soon as he does.  That is the dumbest f*cking thing I have ever seen somebody do hands down.  He wasn't shooting at them I don't think.  I think he was just trying to pour some gas on the fire and it blew up in his face.  Did the cops returning fire know he wasn't shooting at them?  I have no idea, honestly either possibility seems plausible.  Either way, this is going to be ruled justifiable and is certainly a hell of a lot more justifiable than scores of other cop shootings given that label.  And I assume this was his own video that caught all this?  The stupidity just burns.


Ask yourself about those asshats with guns, at the state legislature. If it had been them, would they have been shot? Because if you ask me, going to your state government with a gun , is just as stupid.
 
2020-06-03 12:48:11 AM  

sithon: derpes_simplex: derpes_simplex: sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me

In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.

I just re-watched it.  Ugh.  So after several people come in, he goes out and pumps a couple rounds in the air.  I agree with your assessment.  Then he steps inside, waits a few seconds, then steps back out to do the same thing again but he's spotted now and gets shot as soon as he does.  That is the dumbest f*cking thing I have ever seen somebody do hands down.  He wasn't shooting at them I don't think.  I think he was just trying to pour some gas on the fire and it blew up in his face.  Did the cops returning fire know he wasn't shooting at them?  I have no idea, honestly either possibility seems plausible.  Either way, this is going to be ruled justifiable and is certainly a hell of a lot more justifiable than scores of other cop shootings given that label.  And I assume this was his own video that caught all this?  The stupidity just burns.

Ask yourself about those asshats with guns, at the state legislature. If it had been them, would they have been shot? Because if you ask me, going to your state government with a gun , is just as stupid.


I completely agree although actually firing a gun in the air when cops are clearing an area... Eh.  I'd like to think those magats at the capitol would get shot if they started squeezing off rounds but who knows anymore.  And all of this skirts the fact that who are the damn cops to break up a protest anyway.  But this is clearly a case of taking two to tango rather than wrong place wrong time wrong skin color.  Asshattery all the way around I'm afraid.
 
2020-06-03 3:18:28 AM  

derpes_simplex: derpes_simplex: sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me

In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.

I just re-watched it.  Ugh.  So after several people come in, he goes out and pumps a couple rounds in the air.  I agree with your assessment.  Then he steps inside, waits a few seconds, then steps back out to do the same thing again but he's spotted now and gets shot as soon as he does.  That is the dumbest f*cking thing I have ever seen somebody do hands down.  He wasn't shooting at them I don't think.  I think he was just trying to pour some gas on the fire and it blew up in his face.  Did the cops returning fire know he wasn't shooting at them?  I have no idea, honestly either possibility seems plausible.  Either way, this is going to be ruled justifiable and is certainly a hell of a lot more justifiable than scores of other cop shootings given that label.  And I assume this was his own video that caught all this?  The stupidity just burns.


Which is weird behaviour from the guy, from what little I know about him.  He was supposedly a pillar of the community and might have even fed the cop who shot him for free.

What You Need to Know About David McAtee, the Louisville Restaurant Owner Killed After Sunday's Protests

If those statements are accurate it makes what he did even more baffling.
 
2020-06-03 4:01:15 AM  

fusillade762: derpes_simplex: derpes_simplex: sithon: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

It looked like he was shooting in the air, to me

In the grand spirit of internet speculation, assuming you're correct, I wonder what his motive was?  Was he trying to just fire in the air to spook the cops with gunfire and instead got spotted and shot?  That would have to be about the stupidest damn idea I've ever heard if that's what happened.  But if you're correct and he's firing into the air... just... that's the only explanation I got.  Help me out here.

I just re-watched it.  Ugh.  So after several people come in, he goes out and pumps a couple rounds in the air.  I agree with your assessment.  Then he steps inside, waits a few seconds, then steps back out to do the same thing again but he's spotted now and gets shot as soon as he does.  That is the dumbest f*cking thing I have ever seen somebody do hands down.  He wasn't shooting at them I don't think.  I think he was just trying to pour some gas on the fire and it blew up in his face.  Did the cops returning fire know he wasn't shooting at them?  I have no idea, honestly either possibility seems plausible.  Either way, this is going to be ruled justifiable and is certainly a hell of a lot more justifiable than scores of other cop shootings given that label.  And I assume this was his own video that caught all this?  The stupidity just burns.

Which is weird behaviour from the guy, from what little I know about him.  He was supposedly a pillar of the community and might have even fed the cop who shot him for free.

What You Need to Know About David McAtee, the Louisville Restaurant Owner Killed After Sunday's Protests

If those statements are accurate it makes what he did even more baffling.


Say his actions feeding the cops were part of his desire to foster good community relations, foster community oriented police behavior in a proactive manner. Doesn't mean that something inside him can't break when he watches yet another black man of somewhat similar age to him being murdered in the streets. And it doesn't mean his anger won't boil over when he sees all his efforts wasted when the cops band together to suppress a legitimate protest in his community. Rage can take over and make us do strange things. So no, it isn't hard to explain.

But firing a gun over a bunch of scared cops heads when they are on riot control duty is practically suicide.
 
2020-06-03 4:52:30 AM  
Looks like he was shootig in the air a two different times.  Stupid as hell.  Pillar of community or need t, stuid decisions are had by smart/pillared peeps all the time.   Very sad.

So, here's what I'm wondering.  The kids all took cover in the kitchen, du king and rushing.  Was there shots fired to have them all run for cover?  I can't see them running from "clearing a parking lot".   ALso, it doesn't look like anything is going o  bad there (rioting, fighting, etc), doesn't even look like there are protests.  Simply looks like a popular hangout spot for locals (like zillions of neighborhoods), walking around, cruising and people sitting there eating even.
SO, did the cops start shooting?   Did someone else start shooting at the cops?
Didn't anyone else notice someone book it past the door prior to the kids all coming in for cover?  Someone was running for their life cuz it was a nano second..but you can see it.
 
2020-06-03 5:04:16 AM  
Forgot to add:
Maybe that's why he just shoots into the air, thinking it's gun shooting hoodlums and he'd scare them away by squeezing off a round or two to spook them off.  He looked super casual doing it, as if it's nothing new.  But didn't realize that there were cops in hot pursuit of the ACTUAL initiator of the gun shots.
The cops saw him running toward the back of the BBQ and unfortunately..David made the last stupidest last decision of his life.   Very sad.

R.I.P. Kind sir.   Obviously he was revered, look at all the kids and people who knew they could take cover there.  Also, looks like at the beginning, he was admonishing a young man (son?) and directs him into the other room.

if the cops didn't harass and start shooting first, I can see why there wouldn't be any charges against any of them.  IMO.   Dumbasses should of had their body cameras on and we wouldn't have to assume and speculate.

Anyway..my two cents.
 
2020-06-03 5:44:33 AM  
If he had a weapon on him, they'd have been waving it around the first day, if they were honest their body cams would have been on.
 
2020-06-03 5:53:43 AM  

derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF


I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.
 
2020-06-03 5:55:56 AM  
Something stinks.
 
2020-06-03 6:02:10 AM  

NINEv2: Something stinks.


The police had their bodycams turned off. That tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of anything they say.
 
2020-06-03 6:04:53 AM  

Corona Cure: Didn't anyone else notice someone book it past the door prior to the kids all coming in for cover? Someone was running for their life cuz it was a nano second..but you can see it.


I don't see anything like that in the outside video. I see the kids standing around, then there's a burst of gas or smoke on the sidewalk nearby. Either someone shot the sidewalk there, or tossed a firecracker there (possibly the guy with the suitcase nearby), or something. Moments later the police appear walking toward that point and the kids go inside pretty quickly.
 
2020-06-03 6:08:50 AM  

NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.


At 0:40-0:45 you can see what appears to be a holster  on his hip, t shirt pulled up around it

And at 2:10-2:12 you can see him holding his hip as he moves to the door

And at 2:32 onwards you can see something lying on the ground, the girl in blue points at it but doesn't touch it


But...it could be a phone

/no body cams make it dodgy as to who fired first
//white shirt-blue shorts guy also has something that could be a gun at 2:28
///but then it's America and everyone is allowed guns
 
2020-06-03 6:12:35 AM  
No body cams = Police shot first. I don't give a shiat what actually happened. The cops don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 
2020-06-03 6:18:53 AM  
Check the 5:00 mark, you can see that the police is firing a (rubber) round which ricochets off of the curb that rushes everybody inside. That corresponds with the 2:04 mark of the inside camera, where you see the masked girl rushing inside. So there was no initial firing by the owner.

In other words; cops start firing. The guy grabs his gun and goes to the door to protect his property, gets taken out by police as he gets out.
 
2020-06-03 6:20:22 AM  

Tinners478: NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.

At 0:40-0:45 you can see what appears to be a holster  on his hip, t shirt pulled up around it

And at 2:10-2:12 you can see him holding his hip as he moves to the door

And at 2:32 onwards you can see something lying on the ground, the girl in blue points at it but doesn't touch it


But...it could be a phone

/no body cams make it dodgy as to who fired first
//white shirt-blue shorts guy also has something that could be a gun at 2:28
///but then it's America and everyone is allowed guns


Yeah, I looked again in higher resolution and it does look like he had a gun holstered early in the video, doesn't have it after being shot, and it may be the object on the ground at the end. I still never see it in his hand. The guy in the white cap behind him definitely has a gun, but doesn't ever go outside or fire it. So maybe he shot first, into the air or something. It's not clear from this. But it doesn't really make sense for him to do that, so I'm skeptical if this is the only footage.
 
2020-06-03 6:25:29 AM  
Here is a prime example of the thin blue line: "..only to learn that the devices worn by officers on the scene had not been activated."
This is Ouroboros protesting, protesting the police killings while experiencing police killings.
 
2020-06-03 6:44:19 AM  
From the cell phone video we saw yesterday there was definitely an early shot and then about 9 seconds later shots coming in. I tried to get the two videos to line up with the sound (very unscientific - I don't have my Youtube video downloader on the work laptop) but from what I can tell the kids jump up and run from their seats first, then the first shot happens, then the big bang at the end goes along with the cops shooting.

Video from David McAtee shooting
Youtube KGnuM5Sybqw


So, not clear what caused them to run in the first place, that part is confusing.
 
2020-06-03 6:45:52 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: NINEv2: Something stinks.

The police had their bodycams turned off. That tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of anything they say.


The body and dash cam thing is really pissing me off. They were installed to give a first hand account of the incident which protects both the alleged perpetrators, and the officers. Turning them off makes zero sense.
 
2020-06-03 6:52:34 AM  

Shaggy_C: From the cell phone video we saw yesterday there was definitely an early shot and then about 9 seconds later shots coming in. I tried to get the two videos to line up with the sound (very unscientific - I don't have my Youtube video downloader on the work laptop) but from what I can tell the kids jump up and run from their seats first, then the first shot happens, then the big bang at the end goes along with the cops shooting.

[YouTube video: Video from David McAtee shooting]

So, not clear what caused them to run in the first place, that part is confusing.


Another article said the cops were using pepper spray balls to disperse the crowds after curfew.
 
2020-06-03 7:07:30 AM  
1:24 is when someone in a white shirt runs by.

2:11 he unholsters the gun.

4:22 is the kid on a cell phone going past the back door.  I was wrong, looked quicker from the inside camera..so there wasn't anyone running.


After watching again, there is NO REASON for them to even shoot rubber bullets.  I saw the richochet near the luggage guy, but he ducks and takes cover by the car.  He didn't shoot or throw a firework.
The cops really lit up the door!  I wonder if they were blasting the door with rubber bullets, then when David fired back they switched to lethal??I
Farking weird anyway.  Like I said before, everything looks totally NORMAL there..as if the cops came rolling up KNOWING there would be lots of targets to fark with.
Clearly nothing "bad" (that is obvious) going on..I don't even see protesting ffs.

Yeah, I'm thinking they went there to escalate in a local hangout spot KNOWING it would rile and terrorize.  Sure wish David never stuck his head out and shot back though.

Is there a police report saying why they were there at all?  Like, why shoot rubber bullets?  Are we even sure they WERE rubber to begin with?
Why would they have to clear this parking lot area to begin with?
Lots of questions THAT THE FARKING BODY CAMS WOULD ANSWER.

I think the cops clearly started this, shot first and IMO went looking for an escalation.
 
2020-06-03 7:15:50 AM  

Corona Cure: 1:24 is when someone in a white shirt runs by.

2:11 he unholsters the gun.

4:22 is the kid on a cell phone going past the back door.  I was wrong, looked quicker from the inside camera..so there wasn't anyone running.


After watching again, there is NO REASON for them to even shoot rubber bullets.  I saw the richochet near the luggage guy, but he ducks and takes cover by the car.  He didn't shoot or throw a firework.
The cops really lit up the door!  I wonder if they were blasting the door with rubber bullets, then when David fired back they switched to lethal??I
Farking weird anyway.  Like I said before, everything looks totally NORMAL there..as if the cops came rolling up KNOWING there would be lots of targets to fark with.
Clearly nothing "bad" (that is obvious) going on..I don't even see protesting ffs.

Yeah, I'm thinking they went there to escalate in a local hangout spot KNOWING it would rile and terrorize.  Sure wish David never stuck his head out and shot back though.

Is there a police report saying why they were there at all?  Like, why shoot rubber bullets?  Are we even sure they WERE rubber to begin with?
Why would they have to clear this parking lot area to begin with?
Lots of questions THAT THE FARKING BODY CAMS WOULD ANSWER.

I think the cops clearly started this, shot first and IMO went looking for an escalation.


You don't need bodycams to know why they were shooting pepper spray balls. They were enforcing curfew in the middle of rioting. This was way after curfew.

You could argue that police shouldn't be using that tactic. But they have been. If there are crowds after curfew, that's what's going to happen.
 
2020-06-03 7:50:49 AM  
The only thing that will make this better is if everyone had a gun.  And when you meet a stranger, you don't say, "Hello," you just fire your gun in the air a few times.  This way, people aren't scared by gunfire and become accustomed to their pleasant sounds.  It is also a proven fact that an armed society is a polite society.  It appears to me Mr. Mcatee was just ahead of his time.
 
2020-06-03 8:04:40 AM  
Bullshiat. Something clearly came from the direction of the officers first. At roughly the 2:18 mark you can see something slam into the door area and it kicks up dust, then is when the restaurant dude jumps out the first time. On the outdoor cam as the last people get inside you can see something hit the drinks on the table but the momentum carries it towards the door. Then you see what looks like muzzle flash from the door. Something, I don't know what, came from the street in before he did anything.
 
2020-06-03 8:25:30 AM  
The fark are they talking about? Officer involved shootings where I worked required immediate interview. That is to prevent officers from cooking the story.

So, bullshiat.
 
2020-06-03 8:29:21 AM  

derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF


It looked like he was holding some cooking tongs to me.
 
2020-06-03 8:42:32 AM  

TWX: From TFA: Humphrey was asked if a gun was recovered from the body of McAtee. He said the answer, as well as whether McAtee was shot by the police or the National Guard, will come out as the investigation unfolds.

He did say LMPD officers involved had not been questioned by investigators as of the press briefing, adding it is "typical that officers will have their legal counsel prior to interviewing." He said he expected those interviews to take place 48 hours after the incident.

Those are both bullshiat.

The first thing the cops do when there's an incident is separate everyone so they can't corroborate stories and secure any weapons.  They should immediately know if a weapon was recovered, and the shooting officers should have been immediately separated and detained if they did not recover a weapon.  The officers should be independently detained and their lawyers immediately summoned just like any other suspect would face when invoking their right to an attorney.


Your local police union disagrees. So does theirs.

Police even get to review video footage and other evidence in order to "refresh their memory" before giving a statement.
 
2020-06-03 8:51:28 AM  

MizzouFTW: The fark are they talking about? Officer involved shootings where I worked required immediate interview. That is to prevent officers from cooking the story.

So, bullshiat.


I'm not sure where you worked, but that is definitely not the norm in most police jurisdictions. This is why the first person many officers call after shooting someone is their union rep and *not* their commanding officer - the union rep gets a lawyer out there post haste to make sure the officer isn't asked to give any statement.
 
2020-06-03 8:54:35 AM  

TWX: From TFA: Humphrey was asked if a gun was recovered from the body of McAtee. He said the answer, as well as whether McAtee was shot by the police or the National Guard, will come out as the investigation unfolds.

He did say LMPD officers involved had not been questioned by investigators as of the press briefing, adding it is "typical that officers will have their legal counsel prior to interviewing." He said he expected those interviews to take place 48 hours after the incident.

Those are both bullshiat.

The first thing the cops do when there's an incident is separate everyone so they can't corroborate stories and secure any weapons.  They should immediately know if a weapon was recovered, and the shooting officers should have been immediately separated and detained if they did not recover a weapon.  The officers should be independently detained and their lawyers immediately summoned just like any other suspect would face when invoking their right to an attorney.


Yea, i thought they immediately had to walk through the shoot with a rep and IA?  What is all this weird crap like nobody knows whats going on.......cops are all unraveling and the system is breaking down.
 
2020-06-03 8:54:44 AM  
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He clearly fire a gun before being shot. He fired, ducked in and then ducked back out to pop off a few more rounds and caught fatal return fire. The gun is visible on the floor after he falls. The video is from his own security camera. There's a second angle from another source that perfectly comports with the other video. This is as rock solid as you can get. 

Now I'll go read the logic defying explanations of shenanigans and mysterious goings on up thread
 
2020-06-03 8:56:15 AM  
I tried to approach the video with concentration and maturity, but it looked like that lady was digging for gold in her butt crack.
 
2020-06-03 8:56:53 AM  
News flash:  Not every killing of a black person by the police is cause to riot.
 
2020-06-03 8:58:50 AM  

NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.


I thought I was going crazy because I agree, I don't see a gun either, and all these farkers are saying they see him shooting at the air.

I see him stick his hand out, don't see him holding anything.
 
2020-06-03 9:00:25 AM  

ole prophet: Tyrone Slothrop: NINEv2: Something stinks.

The police had their bodycams turned off. That tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of anything they say.

The body and dash cam thing is really pissing me off. They were installed to give a first hand account of the incident which protects both the alleged perpetrators, and the officers. Turning them off makes zero sense.


There was a great (I know) Twitter thread last night that had some great data on what works to reduce brutality complaints.

One of the things the data shows is that bodycams are not correlated with a lower number of complaints (not even a weak correlation) - nowhere near the correlation for things like community-based policing, use-of-force standards and continua, or citizen review boards.

It's a nice idea that cops will be on their best behavior when they know they're being watched, but if the cops get to decide when to turn their cams on or when to release any footage, and the officers involved are allowed to "review" it before talking to lawyers or judges or anyone to hold them accountable, it's not really oversight at all. And coming up with some Rube Goldbergian way to make absolutely sure that the camera always captures the incident and is never covered, broken, left off, or anything else is again asking the cops to "police" their own (who's going to hold Lt Shiatsmell to account? His boss, who now doesn't have to deal with a week or rioting because Shiatsmell Przbylewski'd a teenager? ...someone else, who will never see the footage?).

I'm all for bodycams as an(other) objective record of what happened in a given incident, but as a be-all, end-all to end police brutality? Nope, fark that.
 
2020-06-03 9:03:26 AM  

rga184: NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.

I thought I was going crazy because I agree, I don't see a gun either, and all these farkers are saying they see him shooting at the air.

I see him stick his hand out, don't see him holding anything.


you see the gun on the floor after he falls. the women sort of looks/ motions to it even.

he goes to the door, leans out and appears to fire a weapon based on the slight movement of his body, as if from recoil. He comes back in and then almost casually leans back out in the exact position from where it appears he fires the first round and is shot immeadiately upon leaning out.

btw, what are we arguing? the curfew and heavy handed tactic to enforce it suck and are unamerican or whether the police have any criminal liability?
 
2020-06-03 9:05:55 AM  

ole prophet: Tyrone Slothrop: NINEv2: Something stinks.

The police had their bodycams turned off. That tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of anything they say.

The body and dash cam thing is really pissing me off. They were installed to give a first hand account of the incident which protects both the alleged perpetrators, and the officers. Turning them off makes zero sense.


But the cameras give them stage fright when they pee. So they can't be expected to have oversight.
 
2020-06-03 9:08:32 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: rga184: NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.

I thought I was going crazy because I agree, I don't see a gun either, and all these farkers are saying they see him shooting at the air.

I see him stick his hand out, don't see him holding anything.

you see the gun on the floor after he falls. the women sort of looks/ motions to it even.

he goes to the door, leans out and appears to fire a weapon based on the slight movement of his body, as if from recoil. He comes back in and then almost casually leans back out in the exact position from where it appears he fires the first round and is shot immeadiately upon leaning out.

btw, what are we arguing? the curfew and heavy handed tactic to enforce it suck and are unamerican or whether the police have any criminal liability?


Ok, I see it, and I see him reach into what appears to be a holster to get it before that.

I wasn't arguing anything,just that I didn't see the gun.  But I think I see it now.

Honestly, it looks like people are rushing inside and he got his gun out to protect them or his business.  He was just saying bye to a patron before that.  And when he noticed people coming in scared he got his gun out

I agree that this is what happens when you have cops with assault weapons and itchy trigger fingers.  I still don't excuse the cops, just trying to discern the facts.
 
2020-06-03 9:10:32 AM  
I can't speculate about anything else other than "would he be alive if he were white?"

50/50,at worst.
 
2020-06-03 9:17:03 AM  

NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.


I can't see it either, but it's shiatty video. I'm not claiming there isn't one. I literally can't figure out what's going on from the video.
 
2020-06-03 9:17:22 AM  

derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF



No, you don't see him draw anything, and you don't see him drop anything.
The only thing you clearly see him holding anywhere in that video is tongs.
 
2020-06-03 9:20:42 AM  

derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF


I don't see anything that is clearly a gun in those images.  I know I thought I did earlier in the video, and it was just BBQ tongs.

And his arm is pointed towards the sky, the cops who shot him were on the ground, at his level.  He wasn't shooting at cops, whatever he was doing.
 
2020-06-03 9:21:07 AM  
Ooooooooooh fark

End of the second video like around 5:15 to 5:48 minutes in. 1 Cops fire gas grenade, 2 gas grenade has a secondary "pop" or mini explosion. 3 cops hear the gas grenade go off a second time and believe it was a gun shot, 4 cops open fire, 5 cops kill another person, allegedly.

If I throw a firecracker and it explodes in  way that spooks me (sake of argument here) and I believe a neighbor or a neighborhood kid opened fire at me, and if I killed them, is that murder, homicide, or manslaughter?  Asking for Louisville legal defense team.

I never understood military rules of engagement. Like Rob Riggle once joked, "when is it ok to return fire, nowadays? When the insurgents have their gun half way up your ass or all the way?" But I get it now. Jesus Christ these cops need more restraint.
 
2020-06-03 9:24:28 AM  

derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF


That's a pair of tongs
 
2020-06-03 9:25:49 AM  

RussianPotato: News flash:  Not every killing of a black person by the police is cause to riot.


But every single one of your posts is cause to roll eyes in disappointment.
 
2020-06-03 9:27:27 AM  

rga184: Giant Clown Shoe: rga184: NobleHam: derpes_simplex: He drops the gun after he got shot in the doorway at around the 2:30 mark.

If you look carefully, you can see him draw it out a few moments before from what appeared to be a holster.  It's not clear that he actually fired the weapon, but WTAF

I don't see the gun. The footage sucks, but I see him touching his waist at some point (where he does not appear to have a holster) and then holding his arm up outside the door. At no point do I see a gun in his hand or on his body. From the outside footage I don't see any indication of shooting, into the air or otherwise, until a beer or soda can is shot on a table near the door, and that can looks like it was shot from the other direction based on how it falls.

I thought I was going crazy because I agree, I don't see a gun either, and all these farkers are saying they see him shooting at the air.

I see him stick his hand out, don't see him holding anything.

you see the gun on the floor after he falls. the women sort of looks/ motions to it even.

he goes to the door, leans out and appears to fire a weapon based on the slight movement of his body, as if from recoil. He comes back in and then almost casually leans back out in the exact position from where it appears he fires the first round and is shot immeadiately upon leaning out.

btw, what are we arguing? the curfew and heavy handed tactic to enforce it suck and are unamerican or whether the police have any criminal liability?

Ok, I see it, and I see him reach into what appears to be a holster to get it before that.

I wasn't arguing anything,just that I didn't see the gun.  But I think I see it now.

Honestly, it looks like people are rushing inside and he got his gun out to protect them or his business.  He was just saying bye to a patron before that.  And when he noticed people coming in scared he got his gun out

I agree that this is what happens when you have cops with assault weapons and itchy trigger fingers.  I still don't excuse the cops, just trying to discern the facts.


BBQ cooks in the south like to holster their cooking utensils. It adds flair.
 
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