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(The Intercept)   What the actual Fark: More than half the Minneapolis police union board members have been involved in shootings, and the union head has been in 3. UltraFark: They don't get PTSD because shooting at people doesn't bother them   (theintercept.com) divider line
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2020-06-02 7:09:37 PM  
That's called being a psychopath
 
2020-06-02 7:14:27 PM  

cretinbob: That's called being a psychopath


An Army of psychopaths nearly immune to oversight.
Reminds me of ... some group.
 
2020-06-02 7:23:16 PM  
I keep saying, if you want to go all union buster, start with the police.
 
2020-06-02 8:06:19 PM  
The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.
 
2020-06-02 8:21:11 PM  
So I've been on record saying that everyone has the right to join a union.

I want to change that and say Fark this particular union.
 
2020-06-02 8:35:54 PM  

Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.


When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.
 
2020-06-02 8:49:40 PM  

IvanTheSilent: Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.

When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.


The mafia would still run the Northeast if their members had stuck to the omerta code the way cops do.
 
2020-06-02 9:26:07 PM  
A board full of sociopaths.
 
2020-06-02 9:27:16 PM  

bthom37: IvanTheSilent: Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.

When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.

The mafia would still run the Northeast if their members had stuck to the omerta code the way cops do.


This. The American police system is a gang. They even do the whole 'sure would be a shame if somethin' happened while you weren't under our "protection" ' schtick when criticized.
 
2020-06-02 9:28:45 PM  
Comforting.
 
2020-06-02 9:29:41 PM  
Given that a large part of the police union's "mission" is to defend cops no matter what the circumstances, a degree of psychopathy/sociopathy is a job requirement.

/Yes, everyone's entitled to a defense.  Doesn't mean the union need to be dicks about it
 
2020-06-02 9:30:02 PM  
Damn.  That...  that is beyond the pale...
 
2020-06-02 9:31:08 PM  
That explains a lot.
 
2020-06-02 9:31:22 PM  

IvanTheSilent: Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.

When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.


The history of the teamsters is far from clean
 
2020-06-02 9:31:59 PM  
Please stop linking The Intercept. If I wan't Pravda's take I'll go there directly.
 
2020-06-02 9:34:58 PM  
As a human with hobbies, I think the suppression of feelings is under rated. Most of the anger I see in the world is a result of a bad diet of feelings. You have to look at feelings like feelings are carbs ...
 
2020-06-02 9:36:38 PM  

dionysusaur: cretinbob: That's called being a psychopath

An Army of psychopaths nearly immune to oversight.
Reminds me of ... some group.


Fark?
 
2020-06-02 9:37:11 PM  

basemetal: I keep saying, if you want to go all union buster, start with the police.


It's no coincidence the only union the GOP doesn't want to bust represents the police.
 
2020-06-02 9:38:43 PM  
Is it just me or does this guy look like the poster boy for psycho cop?
 
2020-06-02 9:39:45 PM  

ScottD61080: Is it just me or does this guy look like the poster boy for psycho cop?


He probably could be, but Chauvin stole the limelight with a daring, broad daylight demonstration of it.
 
2020-06-02 9:39:51 PM  

El_Dan: Please stop linking The Intercept. If I wan't Pravda's take I'll go there directly.


The non Greenwald part is often okay.
 
2020-06-02 9:40:54 PM  
I know it's not really good to judge a book but its cover, but you can tell exactly how evil Kroll is just be looking at him.
 
2020-06-02 9:40:56 PM  
"Lt. Bob "Villanelle" Kroll, head of Minneapolis's police union "
 
2020-06-02 9:41:21 PM  
No comment whatsoever in TFA from city elected officials?

Minneapolis must have one of those magic police departments that simply popped into existence out of nothingness, and those poor brave souls on the city council are powerless to do anything about it. Why, they're just as shocked and surprised as anybody.
 
2020-06-02 9:41:52 PM  
The few. The proud.
 
2020-06-02 9:44:23 PM  
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2020-06-02 9:44:52 PM  

chitownmike: IvanTheSilent: Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.

When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.

The history of the teamsters is far from clean


When I read that I had the sane reaction.
"Really? The Teamsters is the example you want to give??"

/Poe's law in action
 
2020-06-02 9:45:08 PM  

This text is now purple: dionysusaur: cretinbob: That's called being a psychopath

An Army of psychopaths nearly immune to oversight.
Reminds me of ... some group.

Fark?


Any family gathering I'm at?
 
2020-06-02 9:46:01 PM  
is that guy really enormous or is everyone and everything around him 3/5 scale?
 
2020-06-02 9:50:27 PM  

hobnail: I know it's not really good to judge a book but its cover, but you can tell exactly how evil Kroll is just be looking at him.


It's odd to realize that guy must be somehow distantly related to Nick Kroll who is one weird funny mofo
Kroll Show - PubLIZity - Yogurt Water (ft. Jenny Slate)
Youtube ZLMDcJxwkr0
 
2020-06-02 9:51:15 PM  
As I said in another thread, we don't call him Bob KKKroll for nothing.
 
2020-06-02 9:51:48 PM  

Resident Muslim: chitownmike: IvanTheSilent: Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.

When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.

The history of the teamsters is far from clean

When I read that I had the sane reaction.
"Really? The Teamsters is the example you want to give??"

/Poe's law in action


Ironically the Teamsters became a nationwide influence after their strike in Minnesota in 1934 where the Minneapolis police opened up on them with shotguns, killing 2 and wounding 67 others. Not sure what my point was. Oh, yeah. MPD have been murderous bastards for a long time.
 
2020-06-02 9:53:26 PM  

chitownmike: IvanTheSilent: Anenu: The more you read of that article the crazier and more openly psychotic that guy is. I'm all for unions, even police unions, but there needs to be some kind of checks in case a literal farking nazi ends up in charge of them.

When a union exists specifically to keep criminals out of jail, that's not a union.  You don't see the Teamsters rallying to protect methed up truckers who run over people.  You don't see the UFCW calling for understanding if a cook poisons a bunch of customers.  You don't see the NALC saying "Don't judge" if one of its members goes postal (literally.)  You only see that with the FOP and other police unions.  Maybe it's time to stop calling it a union, and call it instead what it is, a syndicate.

The history of the teamsters is far from clean


That's definitely the most important takeaway from all this.
 
2020-06-02 9:56:02 PM  

cretinbob: That's called being a psychopath


A friend of mine is a regular at our favorite bar, and he is also a Seattle PD officer.  One day, he comes in, and it's obvious that he is really stressed out.

He briefly mentions that he was involved in a shooting that day.  Few details were given...he just wanted to mention it and leave it at that.

/Really shaken up about it.
//Like a normal person.
 
2020-06-02 9:56:10 PM  
Go figure, American jiadis are mentally unstable people just like Middle Eastern jihadis. Can't we just round them all up and drop them together in a box canyon somewhere? Would solve at least three problems at once and be easy cleanup.
 
2020-06-02 9:58:18 PM  
I think this falls more into the sociopath category
 
2020-06-02 9:59:01 PM  

Majin_Buu: Go figure, American jiadis are mentally unstable people just like Middle Eastern jihadis. Can't we just round them all up and drop them together in a box canyon somewhere? Would solve at least three problems at once and be easy cleanup.


We already built GitMo, what's wrong w/ reusing what we already have?
 
2020-06-02 10:02:04 PM  
Cream rises to the top.  So does shiat.
 
2020-06-02 10:02:20 PM  

Resident Muslim: The few. The proud.


The Marines?
 
2020-06-02 10:09:51 PM  

Gulper Eel: No comment whatsoever in TFA from city elected officials?

Minneapolis must have one of those magic police departments that simply popped into existence out of nothingness, and those poor brave souls on the city council are powerless to do anything about it. Why, they're just as shocked and surprised as anybody.


It takes both bread and a whip to run a slave plantation.  The Minneapolis city government provides the bread, their PD provides the whip.
 
2020-06-02 10:17:36 PM  
So who.ks enabling this police force? Someone in the city or state administration is responsible for hiring police leadership. They don't exist in a vacuum. Step up and tell the police chief to either deal with the guys who express these completely unacceptable things or you'll find someone who will. Put it out there that this man has endangered the lives of every law enforcement officer and so do those who support him.

There is no need for this to be so bad. The reason there is so little dialogue is because of mentalities like his.

When is their contract up? Use removal of this guy and his supporters as a stipulation for finalizing the contract. Make it clear that any future contract will provide for outside oversight and the removal of officers who are deemed to be dangers to society and to other officers.

This isn't a first amendment issue. Lots of licensed people give up portions of their Constitutional rights in order to hold those licenses, which is why I left the financial industry following the OWS movement-- my participation was deemed against the interest in the business of interest by the Indiana Department of Insurance according to a letter I received warning me to knock it off. So I surrendered my producers license and became a truck driver instead, an independent contractor not subject to such stipulations even by the company I currently drive for according to the lease agreement.

A city government can most certainly require a contract that requires those who wear the city's uniform to act in ways not contrary to the city's expressed values and code of conduct at all times in public, whether on or off duty.

In fact that should be standard for all government employees, whether law enforcement or a DBA or a customer service specialist. Your public conduct directly impacts the trust the people have in government.

And pay them a bit more for it. Police are often paid crap for what they face. Make it worth their while.
 
2020-06-02 10:19:18 PM  
As Dan Hedaya said in Running scared:"Name another job where they let you shoot people".
/Brother in law a retired cop.
//Part of the openly racist good 'ol boy network.
///Gave up trying to validate him, I just ignore him now.
 
2020-06-02 10:21:50 PM  

Ex-Texan: :"Name another job where they let you shoot people".


Well, right now it would appear that any shop owner trying in a major city to protect their property would qualify.....
 
2020-06-02 10:25:17 PM  

rpm: Don't forget about this one


If any Alt-right person is found to be "flying the false-flag" to stick it to the other side, you have my permission to double whatever sentence they may get.

Deal?
 
2020-06-02 10:34:39 PM  
I'm a gun owner but I think if I ever used it to kill someone, even if my own life was in danger, it would screw me up at least a little bit. Taking a person's life means that everything they were or would ever be is simply gone.

My sidearm is in the nightstand, and that's where it stays except for the range or camping trips (I camp in the actual wild, not a campground.)  I don'thave kids but some of my friends do and when they come over it goes in a lockbox.
 
2020-06-02 10:35:38 PM  

PainSorrowLoss: In the first article, they defaced a Robert E. Lee statue and refused to go inside for curfew.


Incorrect - don't forget the firearm violations and commercial burglary arrests that were made as well.  Why are you leaving those out of your argument?  Are you Cherry Picking?
 
2020-06-02 10:39:17 PM  

HeadLever: PainSorrowLoss: In the first article, they defaced a Robert E. Lee statue and refused to go inside for curfew.

Incorrect - don't forget the firearm violations and commercial burglary arrests that were made as well.  Why are you leaving those out of your argument?  Are you Cherry Picking?


Because it makes the huge leap that none of the people involved were agents provocateur, and I am not convinced that is the case.  Because literally every single instance I've seen in Houston so far of people breaking stuff has been white/Hispanic people who coincidentally vanish into a pile of cops immediately before said pile starts dicking with protestors.
 
2020-06-02 10:41:38 PM  

PainSorrowLoss: The second article's guy is such a farking obvious cop/3%er, you should literally be dead from embarrassment from merely linking that article.


Because you say so, doesn't make it so.  Show me where Joseph Alcoff is a cop/III%er.  I'll wait.

In fact, I am now tired of waiting.  I'll get the information for you to save you some time. Does this article make Joseph Alcoff look like a Copper or a III%er?

If so, please explain how storming Tucker Carlson's house or harassing Ted Cruz while he is at a restaurant makes one an obvious cop?

Seriously, your point is obviously weaksauce.
 
2020-06-02 10:41:58 PM  

cretinbob: That's called being a psychopath


That's the first thing I said in my head when I read the title. Get out of my head.
 
2020-06-02 10:43:37 PM  

PainSorrowLoss: Because it makes the huge leap that none of the people involved were agents provocateur,


Being arrested for said offenses doesn't make them agents provocateur.  It makes them alleged criminals.
 
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