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2020-06-02 2:45:15 PM  
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2020-06-02 3:00:09 PM  
Couldn't find his copy of "Mein Kampf."
 
2020-06-02 3:04:28 PM  
That's an excellent read. Well done.
 
2020-06-02 3:04:33 PM  
This dominionist crap could easily be the downfall of our Republic, and we were stupid enough to let it happen.
 
2020-06-02 3:10:14 PM  
It's gonna take me a while to check out the accuracy... ther's a lot to unpack.

That said, it was a really interesting read.  Thanks subby!
 
2020-06-02 3:17:19 PM  
From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.
 
2020-06-02 3:23:21 PM  

Glitchwerks: From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.


Osama bin Laden used to send messages to his followers in the same way. Mostly he used a AK-47 in various pictures, but the method is the same.
 
2020-06-02 3:29:26 PM  

snocone: Glitchwerks: From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.

Osama bin Laden used to send messages to his followers in the same way. Mostly he used a AK-47 in various pictures, but the method is the same.


And before someone trots out the tired Horseshoe Theory... dissimilar factions using similar tactics mean that... surprise!  those tactics are known to be effective.  Nothing more.  Not any of this "both-sides!" bullcrap.
 
2020-06-02 3:32:46 PM  

Glitchwerks: From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.


It was pretty obviously a signal to me as well.  I just didn't know what he was signaling... this is a good read
 
2020-06-02 3:44:49 PM  

lardweasel: snocone: Glitchwerks: From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.

Osama bin Laden used to send messages to his followers in the same way. Mostly he used a AK-47 in various pictures, but the method is the same.

And before someone trots out the tired Horseshoe Theory... dissimilar factions using similar tactics mean that... surprise!  those tactics are known to be effective.  Nothing more.  Not any of this "both-sides!" bullcrap.


Spoken like a man who doesn't understand the horseshoe theory to which you show such disdain.

Both Trump and Bin Laden are extremists. And they do the same (or similar, based on religious differences) tactics to send their cults messages.

Horseshoe theory would be explaining that, say, Stalinist Soviets and German Nazis both achieved power using similar rhetoric, similar tactics and purges. They're targets may differentiate a bit but they are predominantly the same.

And that's what horseshoe theory states, not that both sides are bad, but that the extremes of those two ends are closer to each other than we want to admit. And I'm sorry you think it's bullshiat. I know thinking beyond the surface layer of something is impossible for most, but that's how it works. We are at our most different at the halfway point between moderate and extremist (the Progressive/libertarian divide) but we go back to causing the same harm to each other when we become extreme, regardless of idealogy. Most of these moments are samples in time (Klan/Black Panthers in the 60s, Nazis/Soviets in the post WW1 era, Putin/Trump) but it exists and if you study the motives, tactics, and ultimate outcome they desired, there a lot of striking similarities.  That's why you see weird things pop up like Tulsi Gabbard endorsed by Klansmen, or Bernie Bros being hardcore Trumpists when Bernie ultimately loses, or Netanyahu promoting Hungarian fascists or Polish Holocaust deniers.
 
2020-06-02 4:00:19 PM  
I was born in 1974 and came of age in the Reagan years.
I was raised in a fundamentalist home
Got a degree in advanced imaginary friend studies, aka, theology
Started thinking for myself and became an atheist and a socialist (20 years ago)
I now live more than a thousand miles away from my family and don't miss them or their red hats
This article is somewhere between 100 and 1000 percent true
 
2020-06-02 4:36:38 PM  

somedude210: lardweasel: snocone: Glitchwerks: From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.

Osama bin Laden used to send messages to his followers in the same way. Mostly he used a AK-47 in various pictures, but the method is the same.

And before someone trots out the tired Horseshoe Theory... dissimilar factions using similar tactics mean that... surprise!  those tactics are known to be effective.  Nothing more.  Not any of this "both-sides!" bullcrap.

Spoken like a man who doesn't understand the horseshoe theory to which you show such disdain.

Both Trump and Bin Laden are extremists. And they do the same (or similar, based on religious differences) tactics to send their cults messages.

Horseshoe theory would be explaining that, say, Stalinist Soviets and German Nazis both achieved power using similar rhetoric, similar tactics and purges. They're targets may differentiate a bit but they are predominantly the same.

And that's what horseshoe theory states, not that both sides are bad, but that the extremes of those two ends are closer to each other than we want to admit. And I'm sorry you think it's bullshiat. I know thinking beyond the surface layer of something is impossible for most, but that's how it works. We are at our most different at the halfway point between moderate and extremist (the Progressive/libertarian divide) but we go back to causing the same harm to each other when we become extreme, regardless of idealogy. Most of these moments are samples in time (Klan/Black Panthers in the 60s, Nazis/Soviets in the post WW1 era, Putin/Trump) but it exists and if you study the motives, tactics, and ultimate outcome they desired, there a lot of striking similarities.  That's why you ...


My sincere apologies.  My reply was snarky, meant to be pithy, and didn't fully serve the point I was trying to make.  Invariably in these conversations, you have someone make a comparison (Bible/AK-47) and then someone else uses that as an *excuse* to say that both sides are bad.   If I had it to write again, or the time that I have now to clarify, I would have used a few extra minutes, synapses,and words to better express.
 
2020-06-02 4:39:31 PM  
I could get the full article from the Twitter feed, and I'm not sure if this is the same, but... Link, good read if so.

Thanks subby.
 
2020-06-02 4:40:09 PM  
... couldn't get...

grrr
 
2020-06-02 4:55:10 PM  
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Like the Church of the 3rd Revelation?
 
2020-06-02 5:19:18 PM  
"I have toilet paper right here, and you peasants don't."
 
2020-06-02 5:30:58 PM  
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I've gotten to post this so much recently, it's been fun.
 
2020-06-02 5:32:03 PM  
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2020-06-02 5:33:21 PM  
Because people are stupid?
 
2020-06-02 5:33:35 PM  

lardweasel: It's gonna take me a while to check out the accuracy... ther's a lot to unpack.

That said, it was a really interesting read.  Thanks subby!


There's some elisions, and it definitely has some gaps in it (specifically on intent), but the overall thrust is there, particularly if you understand it's not a conscious belief system for a lot of its adherents.  It's more of a 'fish don't know that they're in water' situation.
 
2020-06-02 5:33:48 PM  
Summary: The only people still supporting him are Evangelicals, and they are racist assholes.
 
2020-06-02 5:34:44 PM  
FTFA: Trump stands as the leader of a patchwork faith that is both chaotic and, some would argue, dangerous.

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2020-06-02 5:34:47 PM  

dryknife: Couldn't find his copy of "Mein Kampf."


You're being a bit harsh, it may have been a copy of "Art of the Deal" or an album of pics of Ivanka.
 
2020-06-02 5:35:01 PM  
Should've been holding up a copy of this:

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2020-06-02 5:35:07 PM  

OdradekRex: "I have toilet paper right here, and you peasants don't."


Meanwhile at the toilet paper warehouse
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2020-06-02 5:35:13 PM  
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2020-06-02 5:35:16 PM  
You get what you pray for.
 
2020-06-02 5:36:49 PM  
We should also keep in mind that the Republican Party sarcastically named Barak Obama "The Chosen One" in their rhetoric to belittle the Dems. Their allied magazines added the sarcastic label to their covers.

That set up a foil, an antithesis, to whoever they ran. Their candidate would be subverting the false messages of the Dems, in that rhetoric. The GOP created themselves as opponents of ego and undisciplined presumption.

That choice also allowed the next GOP president, whoever it would be, to appear as the true choice of providence, against the "chosen one' rhetoric of the Dems. But the time the next GOP president was elected, Americans I general had forgotten that the Dems never used that label in the first place. There was a closed loop of messaging thanks to Fox News and Brietbart.

It was a brilliant rhetorical flourish to use divine providence and egoistic presumption as a tool of propaganda, because it could be reversed, inverted, whatever, as time went on. We should thank the University of Chicago and Leo Strauss for graduating so many Republican White House staff.
 
2020-06-02 5:36:56 PM  
You think? I mean, I think this shiat is always really farking obvious, but I forget not everybody is old. Many people old enough to vote today don't remember the 1980s. Nor are all of them familiar with evangelical propaganda, which has been going on since before I was born.
 
2020-06-02 5:38:21 PM  
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2020-06-02 5:38:48 PM  
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So is this his pussy grabbing hand, or is he a lefty?


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2020-06-02 5:39:42 PM  
Just stopping by to say that the Branch Davidian compound was not located in Waco. Bugs the ever-loving fark out of me when people refer to it that way.
 
2020-06-02 5:39:46 PM  

dryknife: Couldn't find his copy of "Mein Kampf."


Es ist ein Kampf
 
2020-06-02 5:40:15 PM  
I'm not sure standing in front of a Catholic cathedral with a woman bishop sends the message he intends to the fundie evangelicals.
 
2020-06-02 5:40:17 PM  
It was actually 'The Art of the Deal' with a different cover, soon to be sold through his website?
 
2020-06-02 5:40:17 PM  
Because "playing to the base" is his only strategy.
 
2020-06-02 5:41:47 PM  

derpes_simplex: I'm not sure standing in front of a Catholic cathedral with a woman bishop sends the message he intends to the fundie evangelicals.


Meant to say Episcopal not Catholic.
 
2020-06-02 5:43:03 PM  
Honestly, people are attributing this man with wayyyyy too much forethought and planning.

He got made fun of, but couldn't think of anything to do. So he walked across the street, but then ran into a boarded up church and couldn't get in. Stood outside it awkwardly and figured since he was here, hold up a Bible.

That's it.

There's no message; it's all reaction. There is no planning; is there was at least the church would have been open. There was no point; otherwise he'd have said something about it-- this dude never passes a chance to barf a bucket of word vomit.

The people writing the op-eds and deconstructions of the event are putting a thousand percent more time and effort into their work than went into this 100 yard stroll. If they had balls the media would headline this as "Unsure Of What To Do, President Takes A Walk".
 
2020-06-02 5:43:05 PM  

Epicedion: Should've been holding up a copy of this:

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I actually had just discovered that book recently. I put the book down several times just to exclaim, "Damn. This sounds like a book written today and tossed into a time machine back to 1972. Eerie.
 
2020-06-02 5:44:24 PM  
I was raised in that flavor of Evangelicalism.  Trump doesn't believe in anything but Trump, but he's a useful buffoon for them to achieve their end goal:  Everyone else suffers and dies and goes to hell, they get to go to heaven.  They've been edged on the apocalypse being right around the corner for decades, and they're more than happy to nudge it along.
 
2020-06-02 5:44:29 PM  
Because it was burning him?
 
2020-06-02 5:44:52 PM  
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2020-06-02 5:45:07 PM  
He wasn't holding it.  He was brandishing it.
 
2020-06-02 5:45:20 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Barak Obama "The Chosen One"


I seem to recall they called him the Democrat's "Messiah" and it was Trump who actually called himself "The Chosen One".

Either way, I'm not disagreeing with your point.
 
2020-06-02 5:45:23 PM  
*Self-Appointed

May be a distinction without a difference, but still.

*insert game of thrones "King" meme here*
 
2020-06-02 5:45:50 PM  

Glitchwerks: From the tweets:

"Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism. This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence."

Yes, I called it yesterday.  This was a signal.


bingo bango.  I grew up in an ultra-conservative christian household and this shiat is seriously giving me some bad flashbacks.
 
2020-06-02 5:46:30 PM  
 
2020-06-02 5:50:30 PM  
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2020-06-02 5:50:43 PM  

Pandymonium: Honestly, people are attributing this man with wayyyyy too much forethought and planning.

He got made fun of, but couldn't think of anything to do. So he walked across the street, but then ran into a boarded up church and couldn't get in. Stood outside it awkwardly and figured since he was here, hold up a Bible.

That's it.

There's no message; it's all reaction. There is no planning; is there was at least the church would have been open. There was no point; otherwise he'd have said something about it-- this dude never passes a chance to barf a bucket of word vomit.

The people writing the op-eds and deconstructions of the event are putting a thousand percent more time and effort into their work than went into this 100 yard stroll. If they had balls the media would headline this as "Unsure Of What To Do, President Takes A Walk".


Donald Trump may not be capable of planning, and in fact how awkwardly and clumsily he held that bible sure could prove your point.  Any frickin' Evangelical knows how their pastors would hold up the bible at Sunday service.

However, Barr, Pence, or any number of religious psychopaths in his inner circle could have planned this.

Trump is the figure head of this insane cabal and this was definitely a message.
 
2020-06-02 5:50:57 PM  
QAnon needs to be trolled to death from the inside somehow. I'm open to suggestions...
 
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