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(Mediaite)   "Trump and his Republican enablers must be removed this November," urges noted Liberal muckraker George Will   (mediaite.com) divider line
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2020-06-02 7:07:20 AM  
As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.
 
2020-06-02 7:15:46 AM  

growinthings: As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.


I started reading George in college. I was a bleeding heart libby then, but his writing was so damn good. I hardly ever agree with him either, but it's good to be on the same side during the Trump fiasco.
 
2020-06-02 7:29:39 AM  
I dare him to go on OANN and say that.

/ Yeah I know they will never let him on any show -- he talk too smart derr must be an in-tea-lec-chew-all
 
2020-06-02 7:30:38 AM  
Thing is, "Republican" no longer equals "conservative." It's not liberal either, mind you, but the conservatism I know:

- Wants small government
- Fiscal responsibility
- "Family values"
- The rule of law
- Strengthening our alliances to keep our enemies calm
- Justice for all

George Will is just pushing back against Republicans' rejection of these principles. I applaud him for calling out those who have hijacked conservatism and the Republican Party in exchange for evil and abuse of power.
 
2020-06-02 7:36:07 AM  
What really should happen is that the entire Republican Party, as it exists today, should be outlawed from holding office ever again.  In the same way the Nazi Party is officially banned in Germany.  That should be the price paid for supporting Donald Trump.

Spend four years in the political wilderness learning what it means to have a set of morals again, and then return as a new party that is willing to work on building up the country and not hell-bent on tearing it down.
 
2020-06-02 8:26:09 AM  
Cut the last two words off that sentence, and I'm in total agreement.

/If you're waiting five months to vote, you're waiting too long.
 
2020-06-02 8:29:25 AM  
George Will is certainly smart, but his use of big words and language would only confuse Trump's "we love being ignorant and uneducated" base.
 
2020-06-02 8:47:50 AM  
Sorry, George, but Trump is just Reagan with half the brain, and you loved that guy.

Go fark yourself.
 
2020-06-02 8:56:00 AM  
Well, if anyone will get it done, George Will.
 
2020-06-02 8:57:10 AM  
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2020-06-02 8:57:54 AM  

Close2TheEdge: What really should happen is that the entire Republican Party, as it exists today, should be outlawed from holding office ever again.  In the same way the Nazi Party is officially banned in Germany.  That should be the price paid for supporting Donald Trump.

Spend four years in the political wilderness learning what it means to have a set of morals again, and then return as a new party that is willing to work on building up the country and not hell-bent on tearing it down.


Or, split the Dems into two new parties. Conservatives and Progressives.
 
2020-06-02 8:58:22 AM  
I fear the rule of law will no longer apply and votes will be rigged in key areas.  And much like after the shenanigans in the Kerry/Bush election the American public will shrug and say "What can you do?"  and try to adapt.

I fear that we will have a President who lost the popular vote by a huge margin mysteriously still winning the electoral college, if only by a squeaker.

I fear that he will have learned that he is truly invulnerable will remove all protections and start arresting and prosecuting citizens that merely speak against him.

I hope that the Senate proves too difficult to rig and can re-assert some checks and balances.

I hope that Trump dies too unexpectedly and soon for any successor to consolidate power to take over and push this madness forward.

I hope that we can recover and come out stronger from this, legislate the norms that were violated by Trump to make the next one use a new playbook.
 
2020-06-02 8:59:26 AM  
Trump will not be attending a single debate against Biden.
 
2020-06-02 9:00:10 AM  
It's cute how people still think there's going to be an election.
 
2020-06-02 9:01:27 AM  
Hey, Will, your trigger finger works, don't it? I mean this purely in terms of nose picking, if of course.
 
2020-06-02 9:03:06 AM  
"I had a hand in creating this mess, but I don't like the outcome! Please, I beg of you! Save me from this disaster that I enabled and allowed to flourish through my club to the point that it has literally caused the country to burn"

fark you. You had a role in this show too. Don't think suddenly finding a conscience because the wyrm grew up absolves you of your sin.
 
2020-06-02 9:03:24 AM  
And yet the end result of decades of George Will & his ilk IS Trump. Hmmm.
 
2020-06-02 9:04:04 AM  

CokeBear: It's cute how people still think there's going to be an election.


This.  Is it not clear from the last week that this is an attempt to consolidate power before any of those pesky consequences of democracy?  Better to have a short, decisive civil war to dominate the antifa than risk an election.
 
2020-06-02 9:07:09 AM  

Close2TheEdge: What really should happen is that the entire Republican Party, as it exists today, should be outlawed from holding office ever again.  In the same way the Nazi Party is officially banned in Germany.  That should be the price paid for supporting Donald Trump.


Congress shall make no law something something restricting something something the freedom of assembly something something...
 
2020-06-02 9:14:05 AM  

CokeBear: It's cute how people still think there's going to be an election.


This.  He will burn the world to the ground and salt the earth to avoid prosecution.
 
2020-06-02 9:14:27 AM  
I like Will's writing even if I don't always agree with it.  However, he is writing in the Washington Post and using words that 90% of Trump voters would never read nor understand if they did.
 
2020-06-02 9:15:21 AM  
Fark you Will. And replace him with someone who keeps the quiet part quiet, right?
 
2020-06-02 9:16:02 AM  

LarryDan43: Trump will not be attending a single debate against Biden.


If Biden was smart, the second he secures the nomination (which could be today - there's a few primaries going on), he should challenge Trump to a debate of Trump's choosing.  Let him pick the format, forum, etc.  Trump will be all bluster, but eventually not attend, using some idiotic excuse.  Biden doesn't have to do a damn thing to win.
 
2020-06-02 9:17:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sorry, George, but Trump is just Reagan with half the brain, and you loved that guy.

Go fark yourself.


That's not even remotely true.  Stop lying.
 
2020-06-02 9:17:25 AM  
George? Are you in danger? Blink three times and we'll try and get you some help.

Seriously, though, this is welcome, unexpected, and, at this point, probably useless. He does provide some cover for other conservative 'intellectuals' who are ready to denounce the goblin, I guess. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
 
2020-06-02 9:20:21 AM  
For the love of all that is great and small - we are not going to make it to November!!

This needs to end NOW.  It cannot be allowed to go on.

Everyone in the world is SCREAMING at Trump to deescalate and diffuse this situation.  Not only is he promoting the violence himself, he has legions of his followers acting on his advice.

Do you want civil war?  Because this is how you get civil war.

Okay, maybe not.  But still...  Enough farking around.  Get Trump out of power now.  The tools to do it are right there.  The fact that he is actively inciting violence is a direct violation of his oath of office.  We don't even need a full impeachment.  Just remove him.
 
2020-06-02 9:20:25 AM  
November? Why wait?
 
2020-06-02 9:21:55 AM  
The overture last night -- his trip to the cathedral -- signals that Trump wants to interrupt the election via martial law. Be cool for the next 5 months and we can be rid of him.
 
2020-06-02 9:23:30 AM  

Earguy: Thing is, "Republican" no longer equals "conservative." It's not liberal either, mind you, but the conservatism I know:

- Wants small government
- Fiscal responsibility
- "Family values"
- The rule of law
- Strengthening our alliances to keep our enemies calm
- Justice for all

George Will is just pushing back against Republicans' rejection of these principles. I applaud him for calling out those who have hijacked conservatism and the Republican Party in exchange for evil and abuse of power.


At this stage, is it even possible for 'Will McAvoy' Republicans to take back the party?

The Newsroom - Will McAvoy - New Kind of Republican
Youtube TbErkUE3Az0
 
2020-06-02 9:23:58 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: And yet the end result of decades of George Will & his ilk IS Trump. Hmmm.


Villagers:  We need to defeat the monster and the vampire!
Dr. Frankenstein:  Um, yeah, now that you mention it, that sounds like a good idea, I guess.
Renfield:  I mean, sure, upon reflection, the vampire has failed to live up to his promises, so, okay, count me in too!
 
2020-06-02 9:24:56 AM  

durbnpoisn: For the love of all that is great and small - we are not going to make it to November!!

This needs to end NOW.  It cannot be allowed to go on.

Everyone in the world is SCREAMING at Trump to deescalate and diffuse this situation.  Not only is he promoting the violence himself, he has legions of his followers acting on his advice.

Do you want civil war?  Because this is how you get civil war.

Okay, maybe not.  But still...  Enough farking around.  Get Trump out of power now.  The tools to do it are right there.  The fact that he is actively inciting violence is a direct violation of his oath of office.  We don't even need a full impeachment.  Just remove him.


Stacking the courts with ideologues is more important than "saving" this country.
 
2020-06-02 9:26:44 AM  
Breaking News:  Attorney General determines George Will is a member of ANTIFA.
 
2020-06-02 9:26:45 AM  

August11: growinthings: As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.

I started reading George in college. I was a bleeding heart libby then, but his writing was so damn good. I hardly ever agree with him either, but it's good to be on the same side during the Trump fiasco.



I strongly disagree with his hagiography and worship of baseball, however.

Yeah, it's a good sport, but it's not the embodiment of all that is good and right in every branch of philosophy.
 
2020-06-02 9:28:24 AM  
"we must remove Trump...this November, because we may be able to still get a few extra SCOTUS members if we wait"
 
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2020-06-02 9:29:03 AM  
George Will's slow shedding of reason and move to worship of GOP dogma (ref: look how he acted during the OWS demonstrations) helped usher in this era.  He is partially responsible for this.
 
2020-06-02 9:31:20 AM  
The Never-Trump Republican's list of grievances

1) "I don't hold as much influence or power as I used to think I did."


That's the list. They're fine with EVERYTHING else.
 
2020-06-02 9:32:54 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: At this stage, is it even possible for 'Will McAvoy' Republicans to take back the party?


Why would they bother? They run the Democratic Party now.
 
2020-06-02 9:33:56 AM  

growinthings: As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.


Since he's one of the pieces of shiat that enabled this situation I don't care how correct his words are, he's still responsible for what's going on.
 
2020-06-02 9:34:08 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: At this stage, is it even possible for 'Will McAvoy' Republicans to take back the party?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/TbErkUE3​Az0]


Someone's going to have to prove to me that "Will McAvoy Republicans" exist - and can get elected - somewhere outside Aaron Sorkin's coke-dreams.

McAvoy would be left of the Rockefeller Republicans, and they've been extinct in the wild since the 1980s!

// oh, there's like 5 Republicans in Massachussetts who don't throw rocks at gay people and think Trump is a buffoon?
// cool, call me when they also support labor rights (and unions, like Eisenhower Republicans did), a tax scheme that wasn't lifted from Cornelius Vanderbilt's spank bank, the VRA/VAWA/CRA/Title IX, and oppose McConnell's gamesmanship re judges and filibusters
 
2020-06-02 9:39:47 AM  
Earguy:

Thing is, "Republican" no longer equals "conservative."

It does if you paid any modicum of attention to what the policies they pushed for were meant to do the last 50 years.  The desperate need to raise "No True Scotsman!" as a defense for these farkers is nothing but head in the sand fantasy.

The result of Trump's actions is what these assholes have been fighting for since the 50's.  That Trump's lexicon is so stunted that it makes Grundy seem erudite by comparison is the only reason they're unhappy about it.
 
2020-06-02 9:45:02 AM  

Earguy: Thing is, "Republican" no longer equals "conservative." It's not liberal either, mind you, but the conservatism I know:
- Wants small government
- Fiscal responsibility
- "Family values"
- The rule of law
- Strengthening our alliances to keep our enemies calm
- Justice for all


What do you think those bullet points actually mean?  Because they certainly don't mean what the GOP and conservative think tanks have been selling for 40 years.  Let's unwind the euphemisms:

- Free to discriminate against gays, minorities and other undesirables
- Spend freely, but use "responsibility" as a cudgel when not in control
- Women are best as mothers and cooks
- Excessive enforcement on minorities
- Securing foreign natural resources
- Judicial protection for wealthy white men

It's been dressed up in euphemisms like "law and order" and "family values" and "state's rights", because when overt racism was no longer acceptable, they had to shift the language to create something that felt more palatable.  But the agenda and purpose never changed.

In practice (and intent) "the rule of law" has ALWAYS meant sending police into minority communities and protecting middle class white neighborhoods.  Just like the "war on drugs" has always been about attacking minorities, and "family values" has always meant attacking LGBT communities and keeping women in predominantly subservient roles.
 
2020-06-02 9:45:51 AM  
George Will has no problem with what Trump is doing, only with how he's doing it. He's damaging the brand.
 
2020-06-02 9:51:57 AM  

FrancoFile: August11: growinthings: As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.

I started reading George in college. I was a bleeding heart libby then, but his writing was so damn good. I hardly ever agree with him either, but it's good to be on the same side during the Trump fiasco.


I strongly disagree with his hagiography and worship of baseball, however.

Yeah, it's a good sport, but it's not the embodiment of all that is good and right in every branch of philosophy.


Wow. Good to know. I've always meant to read it, Men at Work, I think is the title.
 
2020-06-02 9:57:13 AM  

FrancoFile: August11: growinthings: As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.

I started reading George in college. I was a bleeding heart libby then, but his writing was so damn good. I hardly ever agree with him either, but it's good to be on the same side during the Trump fiasco.


I strongly disagree with his hagiography and worship of baseball, however.

Yeah, it's a good sport, but it's not the embodiment of all that is good and right in every branch of philosophy.


Two months of no baseball and look at the state of the country.
 
2020-06-02 9:59:21 AM  

August11: growinthings: As a liberal DEM, I don't agree with George often, but he's 100% correct on this one.

I started reading George in college. I was a bleeding heart libby then, but his writing was so damn good. I hardly ever agree with him either, but it's good to be on the same side during the Trump fiasco.


I guess he's not really targeting Trumpers with that opinion piece since those SAT vocabulary words would automatically turn them off.
 
2020-06-02 10:19:49 AM  

Kegluneq: CokeBear: It's cute how people still think there's going to be an election.

This.  Is it not clear from the last week that this is an attempt to consolidate power before any of those pesky consequences of democracy?  Better to have a short, decisive civil war to dominate the antifa than risk an election.


I bet Susan Collins will be concerned.
Not concerned enough to do anything but Eli Manning face, especially when she doesn't need to finish her campaign to be reelected.
 
2020-06-02 10:27:02 AM  
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account George Will has no problem with what Trump is doing, only with how he's doing it. He's damaging the brand.

Yeah, Will is so into it that he left the Republican Party, did not vote for Trump and encouraged right leaning voters to choose democrats in 2018.  Now he wants Democrats to take the Senate.  Either this is the strangest long con I've ever seen or he really thinks his former party is hurting the country and needs to suffer historic losses so that some measure of sanity can be restored.
 
2020-06-02 10:31:59 AM  

CokeBear: It's cute how people still think there's going to be an election.


I'm already owed some TotalFark over the CDC acknowledging that we'd have over 100k coronavirus deaths, would you like to add to that?

/If we don't have an election, I'm not sire I'll care that I lost
 
2020-06-02 10:35:46 AM  
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2020-06-02 10:44:30 AM  
George Will is a conservative first, Republican second. Such people are loathed by Trump and Trump's supporters.

When the Whigs split in 1852, Will would have been one of the Northern conservatives who helped grow the GOP whereas the Trumpers would be the Southern conservatives who joined the Democratic Party.
 
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