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(DW)   Oopsie .. smug non-lockdown nation of Sweden launches inquiry into handling of pandemic as their death rate becomes highest in the world   (dw.com) divider line
    More: Dumbass, Sweden, Scandinavia, opposition parties, Nordic countries, Stockholm, Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven, independent commission, Denmark  
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2020-06-01 9:08:39 PM  
Because of course
 
2020-06-01 9:21:16 PM  
Dumb Swedes.
 
2020-06-01 9:45:05 PM  
I bet they're not rioting though!
 
2020-06-01 10:00:36 PM  
They have the best fish, though

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and the best bikini team

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and the best chef

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They're just not good with the death rate.  The Death Rate 2000.
 
2020-06-01 10:56:12 PM  

Jake Havechek: Dumb Swedes.


They're not Swedish, Mac. They're Norwegian.
 
2020-06-01 11:11:09 PM  
Since this didn't turn out the way they hoped for should their attempt be considered a "Swiss miss" ?
 
2020-06-01 11:12:15 PM  

Driver: Since this didn't turn out the way they hoped for should their attempt be considered a "Swiss miss" ?


Ugh !
Keep getting these places mixed up.
 
2020-06-01 11:14:52 PM  
Who could have possibly seen this coming?
 
2020-06-01 11:31:00 PM  
It was truly surprising when they went that direction. I'll be curious what they conclude.
 
2020-06-01 11:57:53 PM  
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World wide

375K global deaths, 104K deaths in the US
 
2020-06-02 12:08:38 AM  
Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May.

Not sure where they're getting those numbers.

Mortality Analyses

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Or am I missing something?
 
2020-06-02 12:11:56 AM  

Driver: Driver: Since this didn't turn out the way they hoped for should their attempt be considered a "Swiss miss" ?

Ugh !
Keep getting these places mixed up.


Sweden is the one with the kangaroos.
 
2020-06-02 1:49:47 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Driver: Driver: Since this didn't turn out the way they hoped for should their attempt be considered a "Swiss miss" ?

Ugh !
Keep getting these places mixed up.

Sweden is the one with the kangaroos.


I spent some years living in Switzerland. Every time, every. farking. time I would come back to visit the US a family member or friend would ask "How's Sweden" or something like that. Multiple times.
 
2020-06-02 1:51:12 AM  

fusillade762: Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May.

Not sure where they're getting those numbers.



Deaths/population. Not deaths/infections. "Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May"

When I did the math last week it was something like 4 per 1M population. For comparison, the US was at 3.
 
2020-06-02 1:51:16 AM  
That was the point, right?  Get it over with?  See how they're doing compared to the world in six months, six months after that, and a year after that for the full story.
 
2020-06-02 1:51:21 AM  
Meanwhile next door in Norway we're down to almost no new cases and are reopening. My county hasn't had a case in more than two weeks and is pretty much back to normal aside from large events being banned.
 
2020-06-02 1:52:49 AM  

fusillade762: Or am I missing something?


You're missing the part where you forgot to select "Deaths per 100,000" because the claim is deaths relative to population size, not deaths relative to number infected.
=Smidge=
 
2020-06-02 1:52:53 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: That was the point, right?  Get it over with?  See how they're doing compared to the world in six months, six months after that, and a year after that for the full story.


Since new cases and deaths in nearby countries are heading toward 0, it is a gigantic failure.
 
2020-06-02 1:54:51 AM  
Unless people were dying because they ran out of ventilators, additional lockdown measures would only have prolonged the inevitable. The 80+ crowd will die in huge numbers from coronavirus until there is a vaccine or a cure.
 
2020-06-02 1:56:14 AM  

flappy_penguin: I spent some years living in Switzerland. Every time, every. farking. time I would come back to visit the US a family member or friend would ask "How's Sweden" or something like that. Multiple times.


Somewhere I read a story about the embassies in Washington that have regular swaps of misdirected mail.

"Here's some mail for you that was delivered to us, Australia."

"Thanks, Austria. Here's yours."
 
2020-06-02 1:56:31 AM  
Well that svcks
 
2020-06-02 1:57:18 AM  
I noticed that Swedish band Amaranthe slipped into Denmark right before they shut everything down, and quarantined there while they recorded their next album.. did they anticipate that their own government would fark it up this badly?
 
2020-06-02 1:59:10 AM  

fusillade762: Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May.

Not sure where they're getting those numbers.

Mortality Analyses

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Or am I missing something?


For May
 
2020-06-02 2:00:59 AM  
This was inevitable, that public health official that became a household name after his advice of "responding to this is just too difficult" is going to wish he stayed unknown.  They screwed the pooch by believing their own bullshiat of Swedish exceptionalism.
 
2020-06-02 2:06:07 AM  

Driver: Driver: Since this didn't turn out the way they hoped for should their attempt be considered a "Swiss miss" ?

Ugh !
Keep getting these places mixed up.


It's easy to remember. Sweden shares a big border with Norway, whereas Swiss has one with Australia.
 
2020-06-02 2:08:01 AM  

Alphax: I noticed that Swedish band Amaranthe slipped into Denmark right before they shut everything down, and quarantined there while they recorded their next album.. did they anticipate that their own government would fark it up this badly?


Thanks for reminding me they are still around. So many bands I've forgotten even existed.
 
2020-06-02 2:09:43 AM  

Stibium: Alphax: I noticed that Swedish band Amaranthe slipped into Denmark right before they shut everything down, and quarantined there while they recorded their next album.. did they anticipate that their own government would fark it up this badly?

Thanks for reminding me they are still around. So many bands I've forgotten even existed.


Album #6 is out in about a month.. they have changed 2 of the 3 singers since they started.
 
2020-06-02 2:17:46 AM  

fusillade762: Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May.

Not sure where they're getting those numbers.

Mortality Analyses

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Or am I missing something?


nope... I thought the same. Worldometers has them at #8.
still not good, but there you go.
 
2020-06-02 2:21:51 AM  

Dr.Fey: They have the best fish, though

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and the best bikini team

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and the best chef

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They're just not good with the death rate.  The Death Rate 2000.


Fact, the "Swedish" bikini team is comprised of mainly Norwegians.
 
2020-06-02 2:23:38 AM  

fusillade762: Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May.

Not sure where they're getting those numbers.

Mortality Analyses

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Or am I missing something?


Might be most recent 7-day moving average.
 
2020-06-02 2:24:54 AM  

Alphax: Stibium: Alphax: I noticed that Swedish band Amaranthe slipped into Denmark right before they shut everything down, and quarantined there while they recorded their next album.. did they anticipate that their own government would fark it up this badly?

Thanks for reminding me they are still around. So many bands I've forgotten even existed.

Album #6 is out in about a month.. they have changed 2 of the 3 singers since they started.


Wow, I gotta see how they are doing. Last one I remember was Nexus.
 
2020-06-02 2:26:08 AM  
Have no fear, America will be returning to greatness with the highest death rate soon, now that an incompetent roll-out of testing, tracing, and guidance from the federal government have lead to the country collectively shrugging and opening up in the worst case of c'est la vie this side of the Atlantic. Follow that with weeks of nation wide protest, first for haircuts, and now for racial justice, and this time next month our numbers are going to be fun.
 
2020-06-02 2:31:12 AM  

Shaggy_C: Unless people were dying because they ran out of ventilators, additional lockdown measures would only have prolonged the inevitable. The 80+ crowd will die in huge numbers from coronavirus until there is a vaccine or a cure.


The analogy is this: your bedroom in your house has a small fire on the table. Perhaps a lit cigarette caught a piece of paper on fire. Do you snuff out the fire covering it up so that it uses up all the oxygen and extinguish itself, or do you just let it burn itself out with all sorts of other random paper products strewn over the table?

Norway, Denmark, and Finland took the former course while Sweden took the latter. In the end both choices will burn through their supply of "fuel". The difference is that Norway will result in some smoke blemish on the ceiling while Sweden had pull down the beams holding the second floor while simultaneously searching for remains of the family b
 
2020-06-02 2:35:50 AM  
It's nice to see that no one is exempt from covid-19 mutating into karma-20.

/except maybe New Zealand but they have earthquakes and volcanos
 
2020-06-02 2:47:37 AM  

Fano: Because of course


Everyone blames course. Course had nothing to do with it; it was the dumb Swedes.
 
2020-06-02 2:48:34 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: That was the point, right?  Get it over with?  See how they're doing compared to the world in six months, six months after that, and a year after that for the full story.


There are a few problems with trying that strategy on COVID-19. Ignoring the morality of saying that we're going to make everyone's grandma roll the dice so that someone else's stock portfolio will go up:

1. Doctors keep discovering new ways that this virus farks up the human body. First it was a respiratory disease. Then it was causing blood clots and strokes. A few limbs had to be amputated. Maybe a bit of kidney or heart damage. Then kids started experiencing some weird inflammatory syndrome. Patients are reporting lingering or recurrent symptoms for weeks or months after the initial infection. It's the disease which keeps on giving. Who knows what's next, or what the long-term health implications will be?

2. It's expensive to have people in hospitals and ICUs for weeks at a time. Even if the patients don't have to pay directly, the society as a whole has to come up with a way to pay those bills. There are also the lost wages from everyone not being able to work during those weeks of treatment and recovery.

3. For those who do recover, it's an open question how long their body's immunity will last. If it fades within a year then they've gone through #1 and #2 for nothing and will get to play again next season. Will a second infection be more severe? The same? Less severe? Will they be protected from getting sick themselves, but still spread the virus to others? We just don't know yet.
 
2020-06-02 2:51:03 AM  
Of course all the people who said BUT BUT BUT SWEDEN!! will totally ignore this...

Also the medias wont say a thing about the swedish economy going into the dumpster anyway.
 
2020-06-02 2:52:21 AM  

fusillade762: Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May.

Not sure where they're getting those numbers.

Mortality Analyses

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Or am I missing something?


"Through parts of May" would be what Subby missed.
 
2020-06-02 2:53:44 AM  
Hey guys, thanks for being the control group. Now stay over there until we're done, okay?
 
2020-06-02 2:55:25 AM  

lolmao500: Of course all the people who said BUT BUT BUT SWEDEN!! will totally ignore this...

Also the medias wont say a thing about the swedish economy going into the dumpster anyway.


Seriously? Can you elaborate? I'm honestly curious. Is their economy that bad?
 
2020-06-02 3:04:48 AM  

DarkHealer: lolmao500: Of course all the people who said BUT BUT BUT SWEDEN!! will totally ignore this...

Also the medias wont say a thing about the swedish economy going into the dumpster anyway.

Seriously? Can you elaborate? I'm honestly curious. Is their economy that bad?


Basically the same as their neighbours: https://nationalpost.com/​news/world/sw​eden-in-deep-economic-crisis-as-per-ca​pita-deaths-rise-despite-soft-lockdown​

Of course, because world economies are heavily intertwined even if Sweden had zero cases of COVID, its economy would be hurting badly from everyone else's suffering.
 
2020-06-02 3:26:55 AM  

jaytkay: Deaths/population. Not deaths/infections.


Smidge204: fusillade762: Or am I missing something?

You're missing the part where you forgot to select "Deaths per 100,000" because the claim is deaths relative to population size, not deaths relative to number infected.
=Smidge=


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Bunch of other countries still have them beat on that metric as well.
 
2020-06-02 3:35:36 AM  

dywed88: Basically the same as their neighbours: https://nationalpost.com/n​ews/world/sweden-in-deep-economic-cris​is-as-per-capita-deaths-rise-despite-s​oft-lockdown

Of course, because world economies are heavily intertwined even if Sweden had zero cases of COVID, its economy would be hurting badly from everyone else's suffering.


But since they have so many COVID cases now, their neighbors, who are starting to open back up to each other... really aren't comfy opening up to Sweden.

(Hell, I'm still nervous about us starting to open back up here in Finland. So many farking people were packed into restaurants yesterday...)
 
2020-06-02 3:46:36 AM  
Swedish nursing homes too, eh? Nursing homes are the traumatic shame that COVID revealed. honestly I am a little ashamed that Ontario isn't rioting like the USA over what our army reported in those homes.
 
2020-06-02 4:00:57 AM  

Felgraf: dywed88: Basically the same as their neighbours: https://nationalpost.com/n​ews/world/sweden-in-deep-economic-cris​is-as-per-capita-deaths-rise-despite-s​oft-lockdown

Of course, because world economies are heavily intertwined even if Sweden had zero cases of COVID, its economy would be hurting badly from everyone else's suffering.

But since they have so many COVID cases now, their neighbors, who are starting to open back up to each other... really aren't comfy opening up to Sweden.

(Hell, I'm still nervous about us starting to open back up here in Finland. So many farking people were packed into restaurants yesterday...)


That's going to be a tricky problem, and not just for countries bordering Sweden.

What does, say, New Zealand do?  No new cases is great...now, do they keep their borders closed until there's a vaccine?  What if there's never a vaccine?  Then, Sweden's just biting the bullet early.
 
2020-06-02 4:16:32 AM  

Felgraf: dywed88: Basically the same as their neighbours: https://nationalpost.com/n​ews/world/sweden-in-deep-economic-cris​is-as-per-capita-deaths-rise-despite-s​oft-lockdown

Of course, because world economies are heavily intertwined even if Sweden had zero cases of COVID, its economy would be hurting badly from everyone else's suffering.

But since they have so many COVID cases now, their neighbors, who are starting to open back up to each other... really aren't comfy opening up to Sweden.

(Hell, I'm still nervous about us starting to open back up here in Finland. So many farking people were packed into restaurants yesterday...)


I wonder how they are going to keep their citizens from coming to Sweden though, since the borders are open. A few days ago there was a long weekend, and many people from Denmark came over the border into Sweden. Apparently they had to sit in lines 6 hours long to get back home over the bridge on Sunday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thel​o​cal.com/20200525/returning-danes-cause​-6km-corona-queue-on-border-bridge/amp​
 
2020-06-02 5:08:34 AM  

fusillade762: jaytkay: Deaths/population. Not deaths/infections.

Smidge204: fusillade762: Or am I missing something?

You're missing the part where you forgot to select "Deaths per 100,000" because the claim is deaths relative to population size, not deaths relative to number infected.
=Smidge=

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Bunch of other countries still have them beat on that metric as well.


Here's what TFA says:

"Sweden had the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in Europe relative to the size of the population through parts of May."

Here are the stats from Worldometer compared to two countries higher on the overall deaths/per capita metric.

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So, whilst Sweden had a milder outbreak to begin with, it's downward trajectory has been a much gentler slope than other countries that were hit hard early on.

What might Sweden's graph have looked like, if the government had chosen to initiate a lockdown in late March?
 
2020-06-02 5:16:35 AM  

fusillade762: Jake Havechek: Dumb Swedes.

They're not Swedish, Mac. They're Norwegian.


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2020-06-02 5:19:39 AM  
Meanwhile in New Zealand..

NZ has just one active case
 
2020-06-02 5:45:41 AM  

Alphax: Stibium: Alphax: I noticed that Swedish band Amaranthe slipped into Denmark right before they shut everything down, and quarantined there while they recorded their next album.. did they anticipate that their own government would fark it up this badly?

Thanks for reminding me they are still around. So many bands I've forgotten even existed.

Album #6 is out in about a month.. they have changed 2 of the 3 singers since they started.


As long as it wasn't Elize it's fine by me
 
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