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2020-06-01 7:08:33 PM  
... yet.
 
2020-06-01 7:21:24 PM  
Weird how that works.
 
2020-06-01 7:40:55 PM  
Remember when the black president wanted $800B to build literal and metaphorical bridges?
 
2020-06-01 8:31:47 PM  
Ok, but what about the soaring debt before COVID?
 
2020-06-01 8:49:00 PM  

Flappyhead: Ok, but what about the soaring debt before COVID?


Those tax cuts to job creators are why we don't have 80 million new eunmplyed instaed of 40. Heroic. So heroic, we probably owe them another round of tax cuts.
 
2020-06-01 10:26:15 PM  
Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.
 
2020-06-01 10:45:28 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Yup. A handful of democrats were against the insane deficit and military spending last time... and the rest of them were okay with it. All of em are pro-status quo. They dont give a fark about the debt and the deficit because most of them are either rich or old.
 
2020-06-01 10:46:21 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


That is about the lamest BSABSVR attempt ever.
 
2020-06-01 10:47:03 PM  
imagine waiting your whole life to write your big article about deficits, and then the president uses the Insurrection Act of 1807 and the military is deployed in the streets and nobody even bothers to look at your epic takedown of the Laffer Curve. Even your mom is like, Yeah yeah good, good job honey, hand me another Molotov, I think I can make it to Best Buy when the cops look away. and you're like Mom you're not even looking
 
2020-06-01 10:47:41 PM  

sdd2000: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

That is about the lamest BSABSVR attempt ever.


#All Lame BSAB Matter
 
2020-06-01 10:49:00 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Don't worry, Donald has you covered. Can't have a national debt if you don't have a nation, right? Well, get ready to be debt free!
 
2020-06-01 10:50:49 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


True. But only one pretends to be fiscally responsible, small government proponents.
 
2020-06-01 10:51:32 PM  
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2020-06-01 10:51:43 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


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2020-06-01 10:52:11 PM  
Subby is right. The debt and deficit will be called a failure of leadership at 12:01 AM on January 21st
 
2020-06-01 10:52:17 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Yes, you are correct. But while we're being honest, let's take a look at what they each spend it on.
 
2020-06-01 10:52:31 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.
 
2020-06-01 10:52:48 PM  

Bowen: Remember when the black president wanted $800B to build literal and metaphorical bridges?


The audacity!
 
2020-06-01 10:56:19 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Hahahahahahahahahaha
 
2020-06-01 10:57:20 PM  

Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.


I assure you, it does not.
 
2020-06-01 10:58:01 PM  
Y'know... if there's about to be a Democrat in the White House, now would be a good time to sabotage the economy. Then we can blame them for not fixing our mess fast enough.
 
2020-06-01 10:58:04 PM  

Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.


Narrator " the mentioned poster does not, in fact, care about facts "
 
2020-06-01 10:58:48 PM  
Right now, deficits shouldn't matter.

Of course, over the past three years, steps should have been taken to reduce the deficit so that there was no issue with implementing large deficits when a crisis arises.
 
2020-06-01 10:58:58 PM  
hoo-boy! Wait until the totally not-racist tea party hears about how tRUmp has been increasing the deficit EVERY YEAR over what Obama left him!  And now it is even exploding more!

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2020-06-01 11:02:00 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Which democratic policy he created such large deficits?
 
2020-06-01 11:03:22 PM  
Lots of the trump increases in the debt load and budget deficit was from his corporate handouts, not the COVID response.

Plus, Goldman Sachs can eat all the dicks. Just gobble them all up.....farkers
 
2020-06-01 11:05:55 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Which party answers every economic issue with tax cuts for rich people?
 
2020-06-01 11:06:59 PM  

dywed88: Right now, deficits shouldn't matter.

Of course, over the past three years, steps should have been taken to reduce the deficit so that there was no issue with implementing large deficits when a crisis arises.


Oh come on.

What crisis?
 
2020-06-01 11:10:02 PM  
FTFA: As the private sector pulls back amid the [COVID-19] crisis, governments are right to step in and bridge the gap through large increases in spending.

I think most people from both sides will agree on this.  As a Democrat, I don't have a problem with my government running a deficit to get through a recession.  However, the government is SUPPOSED to then run a surplus when time are better in order to pay for that deficit.  Republicans would rather just run a deficit forever and never pay for anything.
 
2020-06-01 11:16:42 PM  

Aldon: hoo-boy! Wait until the totally not-racist tea party hears about how tRUmp has been increasing the deficit EVERY YEAR over what Obama left him!  And now it is even exploding more!

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Oh I've been hammering on Rethuglicans about it, and calling Trump voting farmers welfare queens eating big gubbermint steak and lobster. I actually go to Rethuglican town halls and hammer on them for redistributing wealth by stealing my money via taxes to prop up lazy rural people who can't fund their own lives.

They really don't like their talking points thrown back in their faces.
 
2020-06-01 11:28:22 PM  

Mentat: Weird how that works.


Presumably Pox News doesn't mention it.
 
2020-06-01 11:28:43 PM  

Bowen: Remember when the black president wanted $800B to build literal and metaphorical bridges?


Yeah but bridge to nowhere so checkmate
 
2020-06-01 11:33:58 PM  

Mentat: Weird how that works.


"I've been around a long time and it seems to me the economy does better under Democrats than Republicans"

- Donald J Trump
 
2020-06-01 11:37:04 PM  

Emposter: I think most people from both sides will agree on this.  As a Democrat, I don't have a problem with my government running a deficit to get through a recession.  However, the government is SUPPOSED to then run a surplus when time are better in order to pay for that deficit.  Republicans would rather just run a deficit forever and never pay for anything.


As an independent and a hardcore deficit hawk, I agree with everything in your post other than the implication that Democrats want to run a surplus ever.
 
2020-06-01 11:38:01 PM  
 
2020-06-01 11:41:04 PM  

Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.


Let's be honest here - as opposed to any lies coming from trump mushroom sucking maggots - Clinton gave the republican, mass-murderer bush - a positive, gw bush destroyed the economy while murdering 100's of 100's of Iraqis while you cheered their deaths.  Then, Obama corrected the economy while you worked against America.  And, then your god who you worship by drinking his mushroom juices, destroyed everything.

WTF do you even have to use as proof of your continuous lies?

You are truly the perfect representative of everything trump, everything republican, everything christian.
 
2020-06-01 11:42:05 PM  

Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.


Clinton did have a budget surplus but he also had a Republican Congress at the time too.
 
2020-06-01 11:44:13 PM  

Mentat: Weird how that works.


Citizens during GOP term:  "OMG the debt and the wars and racism!  Vote them out, vote them out, vote them out!"

Dems during GOP term: "The GOP is so amazingly awful we can run whatever shiathead we want and they HAVE to vote for us, whether we do anything or not!"

GOP during Dem term:  "Look at this massive mess we madethat they failed to clean up!"

Citizens during Dem term:  "Vote them back in, vote them back in!"

50 years and we don't seem to have caught on to this con.
 
2020-06-01 11:46:59 PM  

Chuck87: Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.

Clinton did have a budget surplus but he also had a Republican Congress at the time too.


So what is Bush and tRUmp's excuse when they have had a Republican congress?

The facts are historically Democratic Presidents do much better with the debt than Republican Presidents, just reality.

If you care about the debt you would accept the facts and try to change Republicans to be more like Democratic Presidents.  Or vote Democratic...
 
2020-06-01 11:48:04 PM  

Aldon: If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.


Also if you care about the rule of law, civil liberties, national security, the economy, your grandma's life and what's left of our national dignity.
 
2020-06-01 11:53:04 PM  
Chuck87:
Clinton did have a budget surplus but he also had a Republican Congress at the time too.

And they worked against him the entire time.  They deserve 0 credit.  They are the same people who were shocked by Clinton trying to pick up a woman and don't give a flying f*ck about trump's multiple rapes and treason.

Tell me what moral high ground you live on by supporting trump and I'll show you how you are currently burning in hell where you belong.
 
2020-06-01 11:53:29 PM  

Aldon: So what is Bush and tRUmp's excuse when they have had a Republican congress?


Opposition lowers deficits.  Divided government always beats one party rule.

Except for the next few years, when all other priorities need to be secondary to eradicating the Republican party as it currently exists.

GOP delenda est.
 
2020-06-01 11:53:55 PM  

Aldon: Chuck87: Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.

Clinton did have a budget surplus but he also had a Republican Congress at the time too.

So what is Bush and tRUmp's excuse when they have had a Republican congress?

The facts are historically Democratic Presidents do much better with the debt than Republican Presidents, just reality.

If you care about the debt you would accept the facts and try to change Republicans to be more like Democratic Presidents.  Or vote Democratic...


I thought the Paul Ryan tax cut thing was a bad idea.  I don't like everything the Republicans do.
 
2020-06-01 11:56:08 PM  

jerryskid: And they worked against him the entire time.  They deserve 0 credit.


I can't wrap my head around how you could say that and think it makes any sense.
 
2020-06-02 12:06:37 AM  

alienated: Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.

Narrator " the mentioned poster does not, in fact, care about facts "


Narrator: 'Aldon was to be disappointed.'
 
2020-06-02 12:13:29 AM  

Chuck87: Aldon: Chuck87: Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.

Clinton did have a budget surplus but he also had a Republican Congress at the time too.

So what is Bush and tRUmp's excuse when they have had a Republican congress?

The facts are historically Democratic Presidents do much better with the debt than Republican Presidents, just reality.

If you care about the debt you would accept the facts and try to change Republicans to be more like Democratic Presidents.  Or vote Democratic...

I thought the Paul Ryan tax cut thing was a bad idea.  I don't like everything the Republicans do.


Maybe it would help if Republicans encouraged, praised and acknowledged when the deficit goes down no matter who's in office?  And march on the streets and protested when the deficit goes up, again, no matter who's in office? Then your party might actually start caring about fiscal responsibility more than the Democrats do.

Until then Republicans will continue to be the party of crazy debt and reckless spending.
 
2020-06-02 12:38:55 AM  

BMFPitt: Emposter: I think most people from both sides will agree on this.  As a Democrat, I don't have a problem with my government running a deficit to get through a recession.  However, the government is SUPPOSED to then run a surplus when time are better in order to pay for that deficit.  Republicans would rather just run a deficit forever and never pay for anything.

As an independent and a hardcore deficit hawk, I agree with everything in your post other than the implication that Democrats want to run a surplus ever.


Certainly Democrats come closer.  Tax-and-Spend is a far more responsible philosophy than Don't Tax-and-Still-Spend.  Tax cuts do NOT pay for themselves, and only one party pretends that they do.

You can, I suppose, argue that there is no good and bad party on deficits, just a bad party and a worse party.  I'd tentatively agree with you there.  I would, however, argue that this is in part because Republicans have seriously poisoned political discourse regarding taxes to the point where everyone is afraid to even talk about raising them.
 
2020-06-02 1:07:20 AM  
Told you there was a whiffle bat.
 
2020-06-02 1:42:14 AM  

BMFPitt: jerryskid: And they worked against him the entire time.  They deserve 0 credit.

I can't wrap my head around how you could say that and think it makes any sense.


Because Clinton was able to work with a group of people who clearly wanted to destroy the economy - as republicans always do - and still reverse the deficit.   trump started with the gop in charge of the both the house and senate and managed to turn Obama's economic recovery into a depression that even a short year democrats in the house could not stop.  All trump voters are responsible for the death.  All trump voters are responsible for the unemployment.  All trump voters are responsible to the collapse of the US in the world standing.

All of them and their christian base.  It it a party of evil supported by a religion of hate and evil.

Pick one republican that has not destroyed the economy in the last 20 years.  Pick one.
 
2020-06-02 2:20:54 AM  

Chuck87: Aldon: Chuck87: Let's be honest here: The national debt is due to both Republicans and Democrats.

Let's be completely honest and point out that historically Republicans are way worse on increasing the debt than Democrats.

In my lifetime every Democrat President has decreased the budget deficit from what they were given by the end of their terms and every Republican President has increased the deficit they were given by the end of their terms.

Only a Democratic President has had a budget surplus.

In general Democratic Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, reduce the debt when times are good.  Republican Presidents have been: increase the debt when times are bad, increase the debt when times are good.

If debt really matters to you, there is a clear choice between the two.  I mean if you care about facts.

Clinton did have a budget surplus but he also had a Republican Congress at the time too.


Hold on. Stop right there. I remember SPECIFICALLY hearing everybody and their brother biatching about Clinton's budget.

Surplus was a bad thing. Instead of a surplus we should cut taxes. The military needs its funding raised. We need more F-22s.

If they weren't biatching about the surplus they were demanding it be spent on something military or cutting revenues.

Which they DID, coincidentally, as soon as Shaved Chimp was cordoned into office.

And then promptly did everything they could to keep the deficits off the books. Which they then turned around and blamed Obama for when he came into office and changed the book-keeping rules so that the costs of the wars actually got accounted for.

Republicans have ZERO credit or authority on the subject of fiscal conservatism. The only motherfarkers that have practiced it since I've been alive have been Clinton and Obama on the federal level, and of all the Governors I've witnessed that have done it, the only prominent Republican was Romney (of like 4 Republican Governors TOTAL in the 16 years I've been voting). Whose health care plan got called everything up to and including Naziism because a black man adopted it.

EVEN BY THE OLD MATH, the bullshiat ideas that were floated around back when the Laffer Curve was spoken of without a giggle, current Republican Fiscal Policy is COMPLETELY bass-ackwards. They can't even keep their economic schools of thought straight. Are we Supply or Demand Side? Trickle-Up or Trickle-Down? THEY CAN'T EVEN KEEP TRACK OF WHAT "PAYS FOR ITSELF" ANYMORE.

Republicans, "Conservatives," and "Free-Market" economists don't have a leg to stand on in ANY farking discussion--whether it be finance, tax, economics, or infrastructure--because they can't bring even 2 ideas to the table the aren't contradictory from one another. Until they can find an economic school of thought with some consistency and proof behind it, it is literally too expensive for me to listen to them talk about it. I won't even SPEAK to my GC anymore about anything involving government or politics unless he gives me $20 for the car ride, and HE'S THE ONE DRIVING.

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