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2020-06-01 8:00:03 AM  
5 votes:

way south: There's a point to be made about style here too.  The iss looks like the back side of a network rack, with sharp edges and monitors hanging everywhere all heater skelter.  Meanwhile the endeavour is like a futuristic airline, nice and smooth with big glass cockpit touchscreens.


There is a good reason for that.

The Crew Dragon isn't made to be reconfigured.  It's a vehicle, much like your car.  You don't have a bunch of exposed wiring in your car, do you?*

The ISS on the other hand, is not just a house in space, it's also a laboratory.  You need to have things accessible so you can change stuff and add or remove or even move stuff so that you can do different experiments.  If you had to fix all the wires and stuff every time you did that and carefully mount computers in slick wall panels and the like, it would take you twice as long to get things done.


*I have some, but because I have a couple of ham radios installed in the car.  But I mostly try to keep them out of the way and neatly stowed.
 
2020-06-01 7:08:24 AM  
5 votes:
Did anyone play the song "Take off" when Bob and Doug took off?  If they didn't, it was a wasted opportunity....
 
2020-06-01 3:00:28 AM  
5 votes:
It's a pretty good time to be off planet.
 
2020-06-01 7:18:28 AM  
4 votes:

Pointy Tail of Satan: JNowe: This is the first time I've seen astronauts without a jumpsuit. They sent them up in khakis and a polo shirt like they're Geek Squad doing a house call.

Wait till there is a Moon base!

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We have submarines with female crew members now.

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What are we waiting for?
 
2020-06-01 5:59:54 AM  
4 votes:

JNowe: This is the first time I've seen astronauts without a jumpsuit. They sent them up in khakis and a polo shirt like they're Geek Squad doing a house call.


Wait till there is a Moon base!

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2020-06-01 2:03:45 AM  
3 votes:
Bob McKenzie: I gotta take a leak so bad I can taste it.
 
2020-06-01 1:11:37 PM  
2 votes:

way south: JNowe: This is the first time I've seen astronauts without a jumpsuit. They sent them up in khakis and a polo shirt like they're Geek Squad doing a house call.

The jumpsuits appear to be "formal" attire.  When the cameras are off it's shorts and polos from most of what I've seen.

There's a point to be made about style here too.  The iss looks like the back side of a network rack, with sharp edges and monitors hanging everywhere all heater skelter.  Meanwhile the endeavour is like a futuristic airline, nice and smooth with big glass cockpit touchscreens.
It is the first of its kind so no doubt the later variants will look a bit less polished, more crammed full of extra experiments and added on features.

But at least for this moment the contrast between past generation and present are stark.

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/I wouldn't be surprised if russia and China try to do a quick redesign of their next gen cockpits.
/I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing took advantage of the refly to do the same.


Crew Dragon was designed by one small, unified group of in-house designers and stylists.

ISS was designed decades ago by a large, uncoordinated group of mismatched international committees with conflicting languages and standards.
 
2020-06-01 12:00:22 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: way south: There's a point to be made about style here too.  The iss looks like the back side of a network rack, with sharp edges and monitors hanging everywhere all heater skelter.  Meanwhile the endeavour is like a futuristic airline, nice and smooth with big glass cockpit touchscreens.

There is a good reason for that.

The Crew Dragon isn't made to be reconfigured.  It's a vehicle, much like your car.  You don't have a bunch of exposed wiring in your car, do you?*

The ISS on the other hand, is not just a house in space, it's also a laboratory.  You need to have things accessible so you can change stuff and add or remove or even move stuff so that you can do different experiments.  If you had to fix all the wires and stuff every time you did that and carefully mount computers in slick wall panels and the like, it would take you twice as long to get things done.


*I have some, but because I have a couple of ham radios installed in the car.  But I mostly try to keep them out of the way and neatly stowed.


That is part of it, but Koch of the ISS is 20 plus year old technology now. And even the sections developed more recently have to interface with mid-1990s technology in the core of the ISS.

This was the popular, fancy new cell phone of 1998 when the first ISS module was launched:
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If they built the ISS today, I would wager there would be heavy use of touchscreens while leaving various things for experiments accessible. Touch screens are versatile and easily configurable to whatever you are doing. Bring up an experiment package? Just plug it in and get instant results from and sensors and monitoring equipment as well as having controls just appear. Bring up a second experiment that is completely different? Plug it into the same spot and all the different read outs just appear. Something goes wrong in one section? Push a few buttons and any controls or readout a in that section are instantly transferred anywhere else.
 
2020-06-01 8:54:23 AM  
2 votes:
Hey, 10 bucks is 10 bucks.
 
2020-06-01 8:51:17 AM  
2 votes:

JNowe: This is the first time I've seen astronauts without a jumpsuit. They sent them up in khakis and a polo shirt like they're Geek Squad doing a house call.


The Casual Friday look is normal.

"February 2015 - European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut Samantha Cristoforetti, a Flight Engineer with Expedition 42, photographs the Earth through a window in the Cupola on the International Space Station. "
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2020-06-01 7:43:39 AM  
2 votes:

JNowe: This is the first time I've seen astronauts without a jumpsuit. They sent them up in khakis and a polo shirt like they're Geek Squad doing a house call.


The jumpsuits appear to be "formal" attire.  When the cameras are off it's shorts and polos from most of what I've seen.

There's a point to be made about style here too.  The iss looks like the back side of a network rack, with sharp edges and monitors hanging everywhere all heater skelter.  Meanwhile the endeavour is like a futuristic airline, nice and smooth with big glass cockpit touchscreens.
It is the first of its kind so no doubt the later variants will look a bit less polished, more crammed full of extra experiments and added on features.

But at least for this moment the contrast between past generation and present are stark.

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/I wouldn't be surprised if russia and China try to do a quick redesign of their next gen cockpits.
/I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing took advantage of the refly to do the same.
 
2020-06-01 6:13:24 AM  
2 votes:
Beauty.
 
2020-06-01 3:13:04 PM  
1 vote:

dywed88: dittybopper: way south: There's a point to be made about style here too.  The iss looks like the back side of a network rack, with sharp edges and monitors hanging everywhere all heater skelter.  Meanwhile the endeavour is like a futuristic airline, nice and smooth with big glass cockpit touchscreens.

There is a good reason for that.

The Crew Dragon isn't made to be reconfigured.  It's a vehicle, much like your car.  You don't have a bunch of exposed wiring in your car, do you?*

The ISS on the other hand, is not just a house in space, it's also a laboratory.  You need to have things accessible so you can change stuff and add or remove or even move stuff so that you can do different experiments.  If you had to fix all the wires and stuff every time you did that and carefully mount computers in slick wall panels and the like, it would take you twice as long to get things done.


*I have some, but because I have a couple of ham radios installed in the car.  But I mostly try to keep them out of the way and neatly stowed.

That is part of it, but Koch of the ISS is 20 plus year old technology now. And even the sections developed more recently have to interface with mid-1990s technology in the core of the ISS.

This was the popular, fancy new cell phone of 1998 when the first ISS module was launched:
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If they built the ISS today, I would wager there would be heavy use of touchscreens while leaving various things for experiments accessible. Touch screens are versatile and easily configurable to whatever you are doing. Bring up an experiment package? Just plug it in and get instant results from and sensors and monitoring equipment as well as having controls just appear. Bring up a second experiment that is completely different? Plug it into the same spot and all the different read outs just appear. Something goes wrong in one section? Push a few buttons and any controls or readout a in that section are instantly transferred anywhere ...


Nah, I think it would look largely like it does today.

Go into an actual working laboratory somewhere, and it kind of looks like that:

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It's not like a manufactured single purpose vehicle.  It's a laboratory where equipment is shared and repurposed and the space has to do numerous jobs simultaneously, and it all has to be easily and quickly reconfigurable without removing wall panels and the like.
 
2020-06-01 9:36:51 AM  
1 vote:

RogermcAllen: I always figured that they have touchscreens because they can only monitor things and don't have any real control (the rocket is automated and the capsule just falls back and a parachute opens).

I'm a bit of a Luddite, but I can't imagine piloting a vehicle without physical controls.  Even things like driving with mouse and keyboard are shiat.


They controlled it manually shortly after separation and once again when approaching the ISS to prove that it can in fact be done if necessary.
 
2020-06-01 8:56:29 AM  
1 vote:

JNowe: This is the first time I've seen astronauts without a jumpsuit. They sent them up in khakis and a polo shirt like they're Geek Squad doing a house call.


The Russians are big into jumpsuits.  The US is big into cargo shorts, rugby shirts, and polos.  They wear different stuff depending on how they're feeling and what's on the schedule for the day.
 
2020-06-01 5:12:51 AM  
1 vote:
"How ya doin, eh? The hoser Russians stole my togue!"

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2020-06-01 2:42:00 AM  
1 vote:

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: It's like I'm about to be looking at porn or something.

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/am i?


Whatever that EU/Britain privacy law is (Some weird acronym) , websites have to show this now, some are a little more intense than others, I've noticed...
 
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