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2020-05-30 6:43:54 PM  
And I am perfectly fine with this use of my tax dollars.
It breaks my heart to hear of the conditions they are finding in some of these places; but I am not surprised.  My youngest is a PSW in one and the stories of short-staffing, lack of equipment and so on are not new to me.  If nothing else good comes of this pandemic, at least this is now "out there" and can no longer be ignored.
 
2020-05-30 8:56:41 PM  
I wouldn't mind seeing someone from the National Guard or another organization assigned to each nursing home/residential care facility with over 50 beds or so. They would be trained to monitor and make sure the facility follows best practices. Depending on facility size, maybe the observer could rotate among a few facilities. To take effect through at least the rest of the year.
 
2020-05-30 8:57:31 PM  
i hear cuomo is planning to pay all the covid positive patients he sent to the nursing homes hazard pay too.
 
2020-05-30 9:07:47 PM  
good.

Bonus good, the scathing report from the Army Medics might actually get some of the needed changes to the system happening at least in Ontario.
 
2020-05-30 9:08:46 PM  
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Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.
 
2020-05-30 9:11:05 PM  
Too bad they had little or no security at the one Detroit nursing  home where some punk used an old man's face as a punching bag.  The video was disgusting
 
2020-05-30 9:14:38 PM  

Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.


Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.
 
2020-05-30 9:16:24 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I wouldn't mind seeing someone from the National Guard or another organization assigned to each nursing home/residential care facility with over 50 beds or so. They would be trained to monitor and make sure the facility follows best practices. Depending on facility size, maybe the observer could rotate among a few facilities. To take effect through at least the rest of the year.


So let me get this straight. You want the military to enforce medical guidelines in facilities.
 
2020-05-30 9:16:44 PM  
Good. They deserve it because the work is dangerous and because they are systematically underpaid, at least in the lower ranks and probably a good way up the pay scale.

Conservatives love to yap about our patriotic boys and girls but they are Scrooge when it comes to allowing them the least bit of slack or even decent remuneration, protection, and logistics on the public (super-rich man's) purse.

They might get lots of training and supplies on the battlefield in some cases, but that is only because they are being employed by the original Deep State (military suppliers) not by bureaucrats. The move to privatize war mongering for profit rather than people or public interests produces many unintended and disastrous consequences, some unintended, but all disastrous.

A nation of shopkeepers is not very war-like, but a nation run by shop-keepers is totally gung ho, but rarely honest and competent while the grocer's thumb is on the scale.
 
2020-05-30 9:17:26 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I wouldn't mind seeing someone from the National Guard or another organization assigned to each nursing home/residential care facility with over 50 beds or so. They would be trained to monitor and make sure the facility follows best practices. Depending on facility size, maybe the observer could rotate among a few facilities. To take effect through at least the rest of the year.

So let me get this straight. You want the military to enforce medical guidelines in facilities.


No, just to guard them against Tories and Trumpers.
 
2020-05-30 9:19:17 PM  

CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.


So vote Conservative?
 
2020-05-30 9:20:17 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I wouldn't mind seeing someone from the National Guard or another organization assigned to each nursing home/residential care facility with over 50 beds or so. They would be trained to monitor and make sure the facility follows best practices. Depending on facility size, maybe the observer could rotate among a few facilities. To take effect through at least the rest of the year.

So let me get this straight. You want the military to enforce medical guidelines in facilities.


For this year? Yep. Way too many unnecessary deaths. The presence would make sure the homes are on their best behavior. I guarantee it would save thousands of lives.
 
2020-05-30 9:29:00 PM  

sno man: good.

Bonus good, the scathing report from the Army Medics might actually get some of the needed changes to the system happening at least in Ontario.


There is a reason why the Ontario government created the Minister of Long Term Care last year . I suspect at the best they recognized that with the boomers retiring this was a necessity to manage this upcoming societal change or they knew the crap about the LTC homes was coming down the pipe in some manner and would need someone to address . I hope it was the former, the fact that Ford's mother in law is in one makes me suspect not.

brantgoose: Good. They deserve it because the work is dangerous and because they are systematically underpaid, at least in the lower ranks and probably a good way up the pay scale.

Conservatives love to yap about our patriotic boys and girls but they are Scrooge when it comes to allowing them the least bit of slack or even decent remuneration, protection, and logistics on the public (super-rich man's) purse.


Although I agree with them involved in this
Have you seen how much a Corporal in Canada makes compared to the US? One thing our military has is decent wages and when they spend, they at least try to get what is best that the budget allows or is available.

If anything about cuts blame that on the Liberal party. Under Chretien they stripped a lot and we ended up spending another 150 million and may have just had 6 CF members die because of his influence in the MHP. Harper cut a bit more but he did it across the whole government (whether that was a good thing is up for debate). The only smart thing they did was not get us involved in Iraq back in 2003. For the longest time it was pushed that Canada was the "world's peacekeepers", great that sets our agenda but that doesn't help with equipping (cough Iltis cough) and the beginning of Afghanistan definitely showed we have the spirit but we needed to do better for our military.
 
2020-05-30 9:48:28 PM  

CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.


The OP provided very clear examples of one side doing it. Seems only fair for you to similarly back up your own claims.
 
2020-05-30 9:56:55 PM  

Ivo Shandor: CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.

So vote Conservative?


No just realize both sides shiat stinks so hold their feet to the fire, the shiny people in power change the underlying bureacracy doesn't and needs to be reminded. The LTC homes are a decades old problem that has been ignored by all 3 main parties because they could get away with as their priorities were elsewere as dictated by the voting populace. Ensure next election that this gets brought up, any change is going to take more than an election cycle to truly implement, make sure any changes that do occur don't get ignored and undone after the election regardless of who gets in.
 
2020-05-30 10:05:08 PM  
By hazard pay, do they mean the same pay as a soldier out on mission or in supplement to that?

If it means the former, yeah go ahead, I'm surprised that wasn't the case already. It's a quite literally shiatty job and hazardous to their health because the care homes were managed so poorly when the outbreak started vis à vis protecting the residents and staff.
 
2020-05-30 10:36:09 PM  

CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.


This, 1000 times!!!
 
2020-05-30 11:50:38 PM  

sno man: good.

Bonus good, the scathing report from the Army Medics might actually get some of the needed changes to the system happening at least in Ontario.


That would be nice since Ford keeps talking about the need for more elderly care funding, after he cut millions from elderly care funding.
 
2020-05-31 12:01:55 AM  

Flappyhead: sno man: good.

Bonus good, the scathing report from the Army Medics might actually get some of the needed changes to the system happening at least in Ontario.

That would be nice since Ford keeps talking about the need for more elderly care funding, after he cut millions from elderly care funding.


I was a part of the Rob Ford Must Go protest at Toronto City Hall.. Doug was a Councillor by then and pretending to be co-mayor.. he'd drift by and erroneously grief us as professional protesters that need a real job..
 
2020-05-31 12:41:17 AM  
These nursing homes are charging anywhere from $3,000 to $8,000 a month.  Too much of that is going right into someone's pocket instead of paying for the care promised to these people.
 
2020-05-31 1:07:19 AM  

rikkards: Ivo Shandor: CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.

So vote Conservative?

No just realize both sides shiat stinks so hold their feet to the fire, the shiny people in power change the underlying bureacracy doesn't and needs to be reminded. The LTC homes are a decades old problem that has been ignored by all 3 main parties because they could get away with as their priorities were elsewere as dictated by the voting populace. Ensure next election that this gets brought up, any change is going to take more than an election cycle to truly implement, make sure any changes that do occur don't get ignored and undone after the election regardless of who gets in.


So vote NDP.  That's what people did in my province and, honestly, it's very nice not hearing about "yet another BC scandal" every other day any more.  I know it's been scandal free because Global "News" keeps trying to dig through every nook and cranny in this entire province trying to find something, anything, anything at all, FFS there's gotta be something we can dig up, but are left wringing their hands and desperately manufacturing outrage on nothing but air.  In all honesty, I'm a bit surprised they haven't had to resort to saying that Horgan's choice of tie means he's running the province into the ground in the same manner that Obama wearing flip-flops in Hawaii tells you he flip flops on everything.  It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
 
2020-05-31 3:41:29 AM  
There are going to have to be big changes in LTC facilities. Half the Covid infections and three-quarters of the deaths are in those places.
 
2020-05-31 5:16:24 AM  

orundarkes: By hazard pay, do they mean the same pay as a soldier out on mission or in supplement to that?

If it means the former, yeah go ahead, I'm surprised that wasn't the case already. It's a quite literally shiatty job and hazardous to their health because the care homes were managed so poorly when the outbreak started vis à vis protecting the residents and staff.


As I understand it from the article, the same benefits as if they were deployed on a mission.
And yes, it IS hazardous as over 2 dozen CF members have tested positive for the virus from working in these places.
 
2020-05-31 7:14:45 AM  

mrshowrules: These nursing homes are charging anywhere from $3,000 to $8,000 a month.  Too much of that is going right into someone's pocket instead of paying for the care promised to these people.


Somewhat.  I mean think of the monthly salaries per staff as well.  30 days, 15 hours per day at $15 an hour is $6700.

Yes, however this is because we as people ignore seniors, minorities and other shadows of society.  See the USA on fire right now over police brutality.  Seniors getting shiatty care is because they literally can't fight back.

Like reserve Indians.
 
2020-05-31 7:31:51 AM  

bingethinker: There are going to have to be big changes in LTC facilities. Half the Covid infections and three-quarters of the deaths are in those places.


Couple reasons, one is that PSWs are hopping from one hone to the next. The other is they tend to have more people in them than other provinces.y grandfather was in a home in BC and had a single room to himself until the day he died just shy of a hundred
 
2020-05-31 9:32:04 AM  

brantgoose: Good. They deserve it because the work is dangerous and because they are systematically underpaid, at least in the lower ranks and probably a good way up the pay scale.


A non-spec trade corporal in the Canadian Armed Forces makes at least $60000 a year.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-n​a​tional-defence/services/benefits-milit​ary/pay-pension-benefits/pay/non-commi​ssioned.html
 
2020-05-31 10:03:39 AM  

Invincible: CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.

The OP provided very clear examples of one side doing it. Seems only fair for you to similarly back up your own claims.


How about they shady billions the Ontario Liberals lost on a cancelled power plant deal?  It was a criminal situation that was not satisfactory in its resolution.   A part of that billion dollars would be useful now for not spending the province into the ground on debt.
 
2020-05-31 10:39:24 AM  
hazard pay is when you git payed in moonshine and shotgun shells.
 
2020-05-31 12:18:15 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Invincible: CommonName2: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 600x685]

Premier Doug Ford's long-term care cuts are harming Ontario seniors (September 2019)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

Liberals are responsible for just as much corruption. It is a problem with politicians not with a specific party.

The OP provided very clear examples of one side doing it. Seems only fair for you to similarly back up your own claims.

How about they shady billions the Ontario Liberals lost on a cancelled power plant deal?  It was a criminal situation that was not satisfactory in its resolution.   A part of that billion dollars would be useful now for not spending the province into the ground on debt.


The two replacement plants are built and running and we haven't actually seen the final audit on the actual final cost. I would suggest that if it was even a little close to that single billion the auditor claimed it *could* be we would have seen that final audit by now. And Doug crowing about it left and right.
 
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