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4323 clicks; posted to Politics » on 30 May 2020 at 3:51 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-05-30 12:05:24 PM  
I'm guessing "now".
 
2020-05-30 12:18:13 PM  
The moment one realizes that the f*cking cops are the criminals, committing crimes from arson to murder, and their precinct is nothing more than a criminal gang's clubhouse, I would say.
 
2020-05-30 12:23:47 PM  
The cops defend a system of repression and inequality. That makes them part of it.
 
2020-05-30 12:25:57 PM  
When it is a hive of scum and villainy? Hitler knew that well enough to control the police before he bothered to appropriate the mayors and legislatures.
 
2020-05-30 12:29:11 PM  
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2020-05-30 12:29:32 PM  
Asking for a...a...friend, yeah.
 
2020-05-30 12:39:09 PM  
1.  Illegally killing a detained person who is not presenting a threat to the police or others without consequence.

2.  Repeatedly and systematically violate felony laws and abuse their powers without legal consequence; especially against specific groups of people.

3.  When the police can, without warning or consequence, destroy the entrance way into a private residence, launch incendiary devices into said private residence, fire weapons into the private residence without identifying themselves, and, but not limited to, kill the residences, pets, and/or neighbors.  Especially without a correct warrant allowing them to do so at a specified and correctly identified location.

It's not legal, right, or moral, but under those unreasonable circumstances I could see destroying a police precinct being something an otherwise reasonable person may do.
 
2020-05-30 12:41:08 PM  
The police in this country are out of control

/Regaining it isn't going to be pretty
 
2020-05-30 12:45:07 PM  
When Sarah Conner is being held inside.
 
2020-05-30 12:57:41 PM  
seems reasonable to me right now.
 
2020-05-30 2:03:27 PM  
When the cops of that precinct kill an unarmed man in cold blood, only one of them gets charged (and with third degree murder only) and the other three cops (2 of which were also on top of him)  don't get charged, then it's time to burn it down.

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2020-05-30 2:03:40 PM  
The cops occasionally need to be reminded that they police us with our consent. So I'm not really crying over that particular building.
 
2020-05-30 2:03:50 PM  
Burning down one police precinct only exacerbates the problem. Systematically removing the bad apples and then modifying policies, police hiring, increasing accountability and changing the culture of policing will solve the problem.

/ it will not be easy and it will not be fast; but, it is the only way towards a long term solution
 
2020-05-30 2:04:39 PM  
Good job. You just bought the police a brand new police fortress. And the completely unexpected out-of-the-blue cost overruns will be truly magnificent.

Burning it down is the last thing you do. You let them deal with the hassles that come with working in a busted-ass decades-old facility with terrifying bathrooms and a sketchy electrical system.

(Same as people in public housing do.)
 
2020-05-30 2:06:10 PM  

dr_blasto: seems reasonable to me right now.


This.
 
2020-05-30 2:11:04 PM  

Gulper Eel: Good job. You just bought the police a brand new police fortress. And the completely unexpected out-of-the-blue cost overruns will be truly magnificent.

Burning it down is the last thing you do. You let them deal with the hassles that come with working in a busted-ass decades-old facility with terrifying bathrooms and a sketchy electrical system.

(Same as people in public housing do.)


And who exactly is going to be paying for it?
Hint:  It's not going to be the persecuted, poverty stricken people who [allegedly] burned down the station.

/of course, it could have been a disguised 'off-duty' cop that wanted a new police station
 
2020-05-30 2:22:20 PM  
Still never.
 
2020-05-30 2:22:43 PM  
Plaid - Assault on Precinct Zero
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2020-05-30 2:23:59 PM  
OK fine, let's not destroy buildings. Let's create a contract (PROMISE) to fire (and flag unemployable as a cop anywhere else) every cop from a precinct in which cops murder people. You all want to hide behind a blue line. Fine. There's your line. You're all fired.
 
2020-05-30 2:31:18 PM  
Also if that police station didn't want to get burned down maybe it should have thought of that before committing so many crimes.

(Stolen from a Farker)
 
2020-05-30 2:36:25 PM  
Like Malcolm X said: any human being has every right to defend themselves when it becomes clear that the State is either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
 
2020-05-30 2:42:29 PM  

Somacandra: Like Malcolm X said: any human being has every right to defend themselves when it becomes clear that the State is either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property of its citizens.


Probably better to let Malcolm say it himself. See 2:20: 
Malcolm X on Front Page Challenge, 1965: CBC Archives | CBC
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2020-05-30 2:49:40 PM  
I don't condone vandalism by any means.

But black people have been getting shiat on, killed, beaten, arrested for petty shiat for far too long. They protested peacefully and got shiat on for taking a knee, they can't even go to the park to god damn bird watch.

So yeah, while I don't condone it, this was my reaction when I saw the 3rd Precinct turn into a marshmallow pit.

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2020-05-30 3:11:20 PM  
If John Carpenter is directing
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2020-05-30 3:43:38 PM  
Violence works. Maybe when the new Chief rebuilds it they'll remember to not murder black people pointlessly or else they lose a precinct and endure a week or two of hell.
 
2020-05-30 3:43:54 PM  
When is it reasonable to put your knee on the throat of a black man and kill him?
 
2020-05-30 3:56:04 PM  
I mean, look, if you're gonna burn property, burning the property of the people you consider guilty of the crime is the way to go.
 
2020-05-30 3:57:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The police in this country are out of control

/Regaining it isn't going to be pretty


'Regaining' implies they were ever under control. They've been harassing, brutalizing and murdering black people ever since the American police system was formed. Hell, the precursors to the modern system were farking slave-hunters.

Getting the "justice" system under control, at this point, means rebuilding the whole goddamn thing from the ground up.
 
2020-05-30 3:58:07 PM  
Average folk banded together to destroy a lair housing organized criminals. I'm pretty ok with that.
 
2020-05-30 3:58:49 PM  
Why can't the protesters be reasonable and agree that nothing should change?
 
2020-05-30 4:01:09 PM  
When they indiscriminately murder people instead of doing their god damned jobs, or as gopher321 said, "now".
 
2020-05-30 4:01:09 PM  

potierrh: And who exactly is going to be paying for it?Hint: It's not going to be the persecuted, poverty stricken people who [allegedly] burned down the station./of course, it could have been a disguised 'off-duty' cop that wanted a new police station


Our children probably.
 
2020-05-30 4:01:23 PM  
TFA mentions it in passing, but I do think the lockdown protests had a lot to do with this.  When you see the cops dutifully protecting armed white people agitating for civil war, the contrast with their usual methods stands out a bit more.
 
2020-05-30 4:02:00 PM  
When the police become what they were supposed to protect and serve the public against, then yes. You cut out a cancer, you don't coddle it and tell the rest of the body to mind their manners cause their job is sooooooooooooo dangerous.
 
2020-05-30 4:02:30 PM  
When the protests are against police violence, it's a lot more reasonable than burning down restaurants and stores and setting the cars of random citizens on fire.

Still absolutely childish, but at least it's the actual focus of the anger. These other assholes are just there to destroy something because they like to do that.
 
2020-05-30 4:03:03 PM  
Humans shall not submit to animals.

When you treat humans like animals and think of them as animals, the humans eventually get pissed so off that they will return the favor on YOUR heads, you pigs, with centuries of interest.

And you will deserve the payback because YOU were the pig to them from the beginning.
 
2020-05-30 4:03:05 PM  
Destroying the police precincts is the only reasonable action going on.  Assholes need to stop destroying random shiat and focus on targets that matter.  Burn city hall, burn a court building, but farkin' stop wrecking places people need to make a living for themselves.  Not destroying random things isn't at odds with wanting justice for George Floyed and all the other human beings who have been abused and killed by the police and criminal "justice" system.
 
2020-05-30 4:03:16 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2020-05-30 4:04:44 PM  
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2020-05-30 4:05:35 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: TFA mentions it in passing, but I do think the lockdown protests had a lot to do with this.  When you see the cops dutifully protecting armed white people agitating for civil war, the contrast with their usual methods stands out a bit more.


It's been disgusting.  I mean, how much more clearly can you present the reality of the situation?  Same thing with arresting a black CNN reporter live on air who is trying to cooperate and letting a white CNN reporter is basically the exact same situation nearby just go about his business.  Goddamn!
 
2020-05-30 4:08:19 PM  
When "uphold the law" turned into "held above the law"
 
2020-05-30 4:08:33 PM  
The locals referred to that building as "The Wisdom Tooth."


/because you never really noticed it
//until it caused you pain
 
2020-05-30 4:09:02 PM  

gopher321: I'm guessing "now".


only on days that end with "y"
 
2020-05-30 4:09:29 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The moment one realizes that the f*cking cops are the criminals, committing crimes from arson to murder, and their precinct is nothing more than a criminal gang's clubhouse, I would say.


I don't know how cops are hired in the rest of the country, but in Jersey it's all about the 'hook'.  Almost all Jersey cops are nepotism or crony hires.  Families where literally 5-6 generations have worked in law enforcement.  Quite a few have...lets say, an entitlement mentality.  Lots of very nasty, little fascist morans wearing badges and carrying guns.  Until the the process of hiring, training, promotion and oversight is reformed and standardized across the country, we're going to continue to get these murderous pieces of shiat in blue.
 
2020-05-30 4:10:00 PM  

iheartscotch: Burning down one police precinct only exacerbates the problem. Systematically removing the bad apples and then modifying policies, police hiring, increasing accountability and changing the culture of policing will solve the problem.

/ it will not be easy and it will not be fast; but, it is the only way towards a long term solution


Over ten years ago, the DoJ came out with a blaring warning that racist white supremacists were explicitly seeking to infiltrate law enforcement. Their intent was to do pretty much what we're seeing now.

The GOPers went into a howling frenzy over it (which is totally what innocent people would do, amirite) and nothing was done about it.

Its now been long enough that they are starting to move out of being beat cops and into positions of power within the command structure... I.e. the cancer is metastasizing into places that it will be MUCH harder to cut out of.
 
2020-05-30 4:10:55 PM  
Better than destroying a city block.
 
2020-05-30 4:11:25 PM  

gopher321: I'm guessing "now".


Now. Hell about 10 years ago
 
2020-05-30 4:13:14 PM  
i grew up in medford mass and i'm surprised that police station on main street hasn't been torched.  Growing up in medford helped me have a deep seeded mistrust of police.
 
2020-05-30 4:13:56 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: TFA mentions it in passing, but I do think the lockdown protests had a lot to do with this.  When you see the cops dutifully protecting armed white people agitating for civil war, the contrast with their usual methods stands out a bit more.


This
 
2020-05-30 4:14:06 PM  
Never. You own that shiat, and you'll pay more to build a new one. Meanwhile the racist cops can  still work out of another precinct, or donut shop, or garage. Getting rid of the bad humans is the only way to solve the problem, breaking some shiat up does nothing.
 
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