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(CTV News)   "It almost seems like they're sending them out without any real background checks or doing things without due diligence or process" says man receiving a stimulus payment addressed to his dead mother   (kitchener.ctvnews.ca) divider line
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2020-05-30 9:49:06 AM  
That's the problem in this country: too much money going to ordinary folks! Not enough money to rich people!
 
2020-05-30 10:35:16 AM  
"It seemed quite strange that they would have with the suffix after my mom's name 'deceased' and then my name, 'executor.'

This kind of thing happens when you put the Best People in charge of the Treasury.
 
2020-05-30 11:23:26 AM  
Oh, come how. How could they have known? It's not like it says deceased right...after....umm...


YOU IDIOTS.
 
2020-05-30 11:23:54 AM  
Still waiting....
 
2020-05-30 11:25:06 AM  
I know of a sixteen year-old whose parents claim as a dependent that got a $1,200 check, who has never worked and never filed taxes.

And his parents got the $500 for him too.
 
2020-05-30 11:25:26 AM  
Just a small taste of the consternation associated with being the executor of someone's estate?

/really hoping I never get tapped for that
 
2020-05-30 11:29:06 AM  

edmo: "It seemed quite strange that they would have with the suffix after my mom's name 'deceased' and then my name, 'executor.'

This kind of thing happens when you put the Best People in charge of the Treasury.


I was going to ask, "How long ago did she die?  Maybe the records haven't filtered through the SSA yet."

But nevermind, then.
 
2020-05-30 11:30:36 AM  
When you're looting the treasury for trillions you don't have the time to check up on minor details.
 
2020-05-30 11:30:59 AM  
My mom got 2400. We assume it's because they paid her my father's share. He died over a year ago and had been in a dementia assisted living facility for a year before that. Not real sure why the gov't determined he was eligible for stimulus.
 
2020-05-30 11:31:36 AM  
They made the decision to send them out quickly so they they got to people in need.  I'd rather a few people take advantage or mistake like this happen if it means not punishing those who need help the most.
 
2020-05-30 11:31:56 AM  

edmo: "It seemed quite strange that they would have with the suffix after my mom's name 'deceased' and then my name, 'executor.'

This kind of thing happens when you put the Best People in charge of the Treasury.


My grandmother died last year. Mom was power of well, everything, because none of her other 4 living siblings really pick up the slack. Mom got one with her name on it for grandma. Dad got one, too.

/deceased sibling who probably would have done half the things my mom did died in the line of duty. There's a memorial for him just north of MKE.
//rest of that side of the family looks at my parents with 'oh, you are rich, big house, and stuff. You host family get togethers and take care if things'. She taught me much about brushing crap off one's shoulder, let go of bitterness. Love and forgive.
///dad's a retired Rx who sacrificed, scrimped, and saved for us. Maybe we were just slightly above middle class... but not much. Dad instilled that in me.
 
2020-05-30 11:34:44 AM  
I think some of you didn't hover your cursor over the link - this happened in Canada, not in the US, though stupidity abounds at our own Treasury, so we're hardly ones to talk.
 
2020-05-30 11:34:49 AM  
I think that the problem is going to be that they did not include any provision in the stimulus bill for clawbacks of improperly distributed checks. They can't pass an ex post facto bill to fix it either because of the Constitution and stuff. So maybe in theory you can keep the improper payments, but as a practical matter I wouldn't
 
2020-05-30 11:36:57 AM  

Petey4335: edmo: "It seemed quite strange that they would have with the suffix after my mom's name 'deceased' and then my name, 'executor.'

This kind of thing happens when you put the Best People in charge of the Treasury.

My grandmother died last year. Mom was power of well, everything, because none of her other 4 living siblings really pick up the slack. Mom got one with her name on it for grandma. Dad got one, too.

/deceased sibling who probably would have done half the things my mom did died in the line of duty. There's a memorial for him just north of MKE.
//rest of that side of the family looks at my parents with 'oh, you are rich, big house, and stuff. You host family get togethers and take care if things'. She taught me much about brushing crap off one's shoulder, let go of bitterness. Love and forgive.
///dad's a retired Rx who sacrificed, scrimped, and saved for us. Maybe we were just slightly above middle class... but not much. Dad instilled that in me.


Because i had more to say to myself...

Dad made the comment 'did you see how much free money they are giving away to people who don't need it? And how little people are getting that really need it?'

Im of a mind paying SS is a small price to pay yo live on a civilized society. And my parents gave me much by having less for themselves.  Dad is 75 and retired. I agreed with him. Cash both checks in the middle of this shiatshow.
 
2020-05-30 11:37:04 AM  
Well, technically, if the point of the stimulus is to get money in circulation, even giving it to the estates of dead people could work.

I suppose airdrops of hundred dollar bills could too.
 
2020-05-30 11:38:49 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I think some of you didn't hover your cursor over the link - this happened in Canada, not in the US, though stupidity abounds at our own Treasury, so we're hardly ones to talk.


Canadians are getting their money from the Department of the Treasury in Philadelphia, PA?

Because that's what the envelope says.
 
2020-05-30 11:38:56 AM  
Diligence? Process? From the Roi Faisnéant? King Dung Heap? Do Not Do What Donnie Do?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Oh, wait. May you are serious ... ly  R-word.
 
2020-05-30 11:41:39 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Oh, come how. How could they have known? It's not like it says deceased right...after....umm...


YOU IDIOTS.


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2020-05-30 11:43:39 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Coco LaFemme: I think some of you didn't hover your cursor over the link - this happened in Canada, not in the US, though stupidity abounds at our own Treasury, so we're hardly ones to talk.

Canadians are getting their money from the Department of the Treasury in Philadelphia, PA?

Because that's what the envelope says.


I suppose that's an oops on my part then because when I hovered over the link it reads "kitchener ont man's late mother gets us stimulus cheque in the mail." I assumed, clearly incorrectly, that this happened in Canada. My bad.
 
2020-05-30 11:50:48 AM  

edmo: "It seemed quite strange that they would have with the suffix after my mom's name 'deceased' and then my name, 'executor.'

This kind of thing happens when you put the Best People in charge of the Treasury.


We got one, too. If the person was deceased (for two farking years), you'd thinking that in marking it deceased, would be an automatic, "we probably shouldn't waste taxpayers' money by sending this out". But, I guess we gotta support the US Mail somehow.
 
2020-05-30 12:05:48 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Coco LaFemme: I think some of you didn't hover your cursor over the link - this happened in Canada, not in the US, though stupidity abounds at our own Treasury, so we're hardly ones to talk.

Canadians are getting their money from the Department of the Treasury in Philadelphia, PA?

Because that's what the envelope says.

I suppose that's an oops on my part then because when I hovered over the link it reads "kitchener ont man's late mother gets us stimulus cheque in the mail." I assumed, clearly incorrectly, that this happened in Canada. My bad.


Yeah, I saw the Kitchener thing and was like... oh, that's an oops but the CRA have explicitly stated they are erring on the side of disbursements in order to make sure people don't get missed.  And then clean up the over payments later.

Imagine that, Government concerned with helping over screwing over their citizens.

But by all means US Americans.  You have the greatest country evvvvear...  USA USA.

Joking snark aside, our country is effed in it's own way.  But this... this is not one of them.
 
2020-05-30 12:08:37 PM  

raius: They made the decision to send them out quickly so they they got to people in need.  I'd rather a few people take advantage or mistake like this happen if it means not punishing those who need help the most.


Whats a hundred million here or a hundred million there going to Nigeria?  Its all good.
 
2020-05-30 12:11:09 PM  
Her is a cool story bro-

My friends 16 year old kid got a stimulus check.
 
2020-05-30 12:13:52 PM  

DocUi: Coco LaFemme: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Coco LaFemme: I think some of you didn't hover your cursor over the link - this happened in Canada, not in the US, though stupidity abounds at our own Treasury, so we're hardly ones to talk.

Canadians are getting their money from the Department of the Treasury in Philadelphia, PA?

Because that's what the envelope says.

I suppose that's an oops on my part then because when I hovered over the link it reads "kitchener ont man's late mother gets us stimulus cheque in the mail." I assumed, clearly incorrectly, that this happened in Canada. My bad.

Yeah, I saw the Kitchener thing and was like... oh, that's an oops but the CRA have explicitly stated they are erring on the side of disbursements in order to make sure people don't get missed.  And then clean up the over payments later.

Imagine that, Government concerned with helping over screwing over their citizens.

But by all means US Americans.  You have the greatest country evvvvear...  USA USA.

Joking snark aside, our country is effed in it's own way.  But this... this is not one of them.


Ok. Now read the article. Slowly.
 
2020-05-30 12:21:20 PM  
I can confirm that Canadians are recieving these US cheques, including anecdotally people whose only connection to the US is having once filed US taxes.
 
2020-05-30 1:42:46 PM  
The worst mistake is not sending them out. It's funny/ridiculous when stuff like this happens, but this is a complete non-issue compared to people who should have received it but haven't, or eliminating people from eligibility who shouldn't have been eliminated.
 
2020-05-30 1:47:11 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Well, technically, if the point of the stimulus is to get money in circulation, even giving it to the estates of dead people could work.

I suppose airdrops of hundred dollar bills could too.


Honestly, I'm not really that upset about the mistakes. The point was to get money in to the hands of people quickly and too much oversight would have slowed that down. That being said, stimulus checks are a special case and I'm all for strong oversight when the recipients of the government's largesse are multinational corporations and billionaires.
 
2020-05-30 3:12:58 PM  
So she died Jan 2018, which means you filed a tax return for her in 2019 which are most likely the returns that were used to decide who gets a stimulus check.

A mistake?  Sure.  Hardly egregious. .
 
2020-05-30 3:54:30 PM  

raius: They made the decision to send them out quickly so they they got to people in need.  I'd rather a few people take advantage or mistake like this happen if it means not punishing those who need help the most.


This.  Of course, I still haven't gotten mine and my wife hasn't gotten hers, so YMMV.
 
2020-05-30 4:09:16 PM  
I was going to say, CTV has to stfu about the CERB. Then I read the headline and lolled.

Better to overpay than underpay. 40% unemployment rate. Who cares if someone gets $1200 by accident?. Better to help a poor person make rent than watch a landlord evict them.
 
2020-05-30 4:36:42 PM  

LukeR: My mom got 2400. We assume it's because they paid her my father's share. He died over a year ago and had been in a dementia assisted living facility for a year before that. Not real sure why the gov't determined he was eligible for stimulus.


Remember that whole "big government is bad, we can out source things to professionals for a lot less" during ... one of the two Bush presidencies?  Most of the government is using outside contractors to validate their databases.

If you are interested in knowing more look up shadow billing.  That's when a medicare beneficiary has a medicare advantage plan, the facility bills a shadow claim/bill to the MAC, that is forwarded onto CMS.  CMS distributes funds to the MAC, and the MAC pays for the DSH/IME/DGME that's part of the facilities contract with CMS.

Another fun one is the State of Oregon contracted out its vital records services -- I needed a new birth certificate because I lost my old one.  I called them, verified a bunch of personal information and got a birth certificate back.  In the mean time I found my original.  The old one has my parents middle names, the new one has their middle name field filled with "NMN" as the person I spoke with didn't ask for their middle names.  I'm letting a college buddy who is a politician over there deal with that problem.  I've been getting to deal with two different federal agencies over this.

The federal government _really_ doesn't like it when you have two different official vital records.  Also saying to them, "Can't we just wait 10 years?  They'll probably both be dead by then and it really won't be a problem anymore right?"

Also, don't ever say to a TSA agent after they frisk you, "Thanks Tiger."
 
2020-05-30 4:41:01 PM  
So I get this debit card in the mail, addressed to David Not My Name, Jane Her Name. With note: "enclosed is your Economic Impact Payment Card."

So I figure some sort of scam, get ready to throw out, as I didn't think I was eligible for any $,but googled it.

For some reason, they sent certain people (I have my routing #'s registered with IRS) they are sending these shiat method of paying. Mine as a later learn for $9.30.

Took awhile to register card, tried to immediately transfer to my bank and it got, "cannot process for more than fee and amount" What fee, says none!

So I figure i'd call customer service about that and the name. They have a next to impossible dead end phone menu. Some how I got someone, but line is extremely statically,at this point I really pissed and (wrongly) taking my frustration out on the CS guy, as I know they won't hang up and kept him on the line a long refusing to accept his answers, partly because i'm bored, partly because I'm pissed, and partly I'm an asshole.

They blame the name thing on IRS , tell me to go to ATM, I say ATMs won't dispense 83.90 and bank will want ID which I can't show, and you won't allow me to transfer.

I went to ATM and took out $80, the tried to spend more for small purchase but card declined (because I'm dyslexic had figure reversed)

Tried to log on to see if could transfer as damned if I'd abandon a penny to these guys. And can't log on even though certain of log on. And no way to even reset password.

Reeks of scam, how many people will toss thinking what-is-this-a-scam? And how much $ will this complain earn in interest on your money and those fees poors pay to know balance or ATM charge? How much extra does it cost the government to do this?

Anyway I blame trump.
 
2020-05-30 4:43:00 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I know of a sixteen year-old whose parents claim as a dependent that got a $1,200 check, who has never worked and never filed taxes.

And his parents got the $500 for him too.


Someone else may have stolen/been using their social security number to work illegally.
 
2020-05-30 6:33:31 PM  
My aunt, who died well over a year ago, got her check too. My aged mom is going to have to handle it as the executor of her sister's estate. A bother for the living, innit?
 
2020-05-30 6:56:07 PM  

Roastbeast Sammich: My aunt, who died well over a year ago, got her check too. My aged mom is going to have to handle it as the executor of her sister's estate. A bother for the living, innit?


Might be easiest to just not cash the check and forget it exists -- or risk having to fight the IRS next year when they realize their error and demand it back.
 
2020-05-30 7:53:52 PM  

theknuckler_33: So she died Jan 2018, which means you filed a tax return for her in 2019 which are most likely the returns that were used to decide who gets a stimulus check.

A mistake?  Sure.  Hardly egregious. .


That's exactly the situation for my MIL, she died just into Jan 2018 and had to file a 2018 return. they've probably sent the check to the cemetery.
 
2020-05-30 9:16:14 PM  
One person I know received one for himself and an additional one directed to his wife who has been dead for almost 10 years.
 
2020-05-30 11:40:48 PM  
The kind of fark up I don't mind.  Accidentally helps more? In 2020? It's a miracle.
 
2020-05-30 11:42:50 PM  
Dammit, I didn't read the article. Of course this happened in Canada. Too good to be true that a Trump fark up would help the poor!
 
2020-05-31 9:50:46 AM  
They're doing enough diligence to note that I wasn't employed enough in 2019 to file taxes, therefore apparently I get to stay on my own.  Pandemic took you from "okay" to "in trouble"?  You get a check.  Already in trouble when the pandemic made it worse?  Pound sand, apparently.
 
2020-05-31 11:52:15 AM  

TheOtherGuy: They're doing enough diligence to note that I wasn't employed enough in 2019 to file taxes, therefore apparently I get to stay on my own.  Pandemic took you from "okay" to "in trouble"?  You get a check.  Already in trouble when the pandemic made it worse?  Pound sand, apparently.


Not that you can count on the government, but its worth a shot

https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/non-f​i​lers-enter-payment-info-here
 
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