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(The Atlantic)   This week in the Biden Veepstakes: Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2020-05-30 6:03:00 AM  
She would be better suited for a Sec. of State or UN Ambassador..To make her VP, would almost be a waste of talent..
 
2020-05-30 7:28:36 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: She would be better suited for a Sec. of State or UN Ambassador..To make her VP, would almost be a waste of talent..


True.  She'd be a great choice to take over in a crisis though. So I'd be perfectly ok with her as VP.
 
2020-05-30 7:41:03 AM  
Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.
 
2020-05-30 7:46:15 AM  
She's my choice.

The only thing she's got against her is the rage wing media is going to hit her over the head with the BENGHAZI stuff. But they're gonna find something with which to bash any Biden choice.
 
2020-05-30 8:27:59 AM  
It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.
 
2020-05-30 8:30:36 AM  
Harris
Warren
Demings
Whitmer

It will be one of these four.

Yes, I know Tammy Duckworth is awesome. I don't know why she isn't being considered. Yes, Susan Rice is awesome, but it isn't going to happen, just as it isn't going to happen for Cortez-Maisto or Lujan-Grisham. And Klobuchar is nearly toxic at this point. And I just can't see Abrams this year.

After the racial mess of the last month or so, Biden almost certainly will want to pick a woman of color.

If it's not Harris, it will be Demings. Joe probably wants Kamala and reportedly Jill wants Val.
 
2020-05-30 8:49:15 AM  
Better for cabinet, but damned decent choice that doesn't eat a senate seat.
 
2020-05-30 8:57:04 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.


It would be the ultimate stupidity to allow right-wing slander to control the VP choice.
fark those mercenary liars. There is no beginning, middle, nor end to their lying.
 
2020-05-30 9:02:58 AM  

kudayta: Mr. Shabooboo: She would be better suited for a Sec. of State or UN Ambassador..To make her VP, would almost be a waste of talent..

True.  She'd be a great choice to take over in a crisis though. So I'd be perfectly ok with her as VP.


One of the most useful things about being experienced is that you have learned from your mistakes.
It's a big deal to have leaders who know what works and what doesn't.
 
2020-05-30 9:20:41 AM  
Has she ever campaigned?  Has she ever held elected office?
 
2020-05-30 9:51:45 AM  
She a foreign policy expert. The VP's job is almost wholly domestic policy. This would be a horrible pick when you have a Harris or especially Demmings, who is uniquely suited for the moment  and has done nothing but impress over the last couple of years.
 
2020-05-30 10:00:05 AM  
Timing is right for Demings, either she or Rice would be good picks.
The VP's role is whatever the president says it is.
We don't know yet if Treason-Weasel-in-Chief will start a foreign war, or a domestic war, or both this year.
 
2020-05-30 10:07:45 AM  

bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.


Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.
 
2020-05-30 10:10:32 AM  

kudayta: Mr. Shabooboo: She would be better suited for a Sec. of State or UN Ambassador..To make her VP, would almost be a waste of talent..

True.  She'd be a great choice to take over in a crisis though. So I'd be perfectly ok with her as VP.


She would also make a terrific heir apparent.
 
2020-05-30 10:11:00 AM  
I'm fine with her. She's damned smart, has the experience and will make the Magats lose their ever-loving minds. She's also not currently a Senator or Congressperson where we more than ever desperately need non-Magat voices.

/ Because those fat farks are out-yelling us and winning with their whining.
 
2020-05-30 10:11:53 AM  
Knowing Biden , he meant Condoleezza Rice.
 
2020-05-30 10:12:32 AM  
Biden is gonna pick Klobuchar and you know it.   He doesn't want to be president the next four years.   No sane person would.   That's why Trump wants it ... and to, you know, stay out of prison.
 
2020-05-30 10:13:04 AM  

The Lone Gunman: bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.

Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.


It is impossible for him to learn. I can definitely see him picking a prosecutor after these riots.
 
2020-05-30 10:14:43 AM  
She's a decent pick but much more suited for an admin appointment.
 
2020-05-30 10:15:03 AM  

sinner4ever: The Lone Gunman: bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.

Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.

It is impossible for him to learn. I can definitely see him picking a prosecutor after these riots.


You're just a ray of farking sunshine aren't you?
 
2020-05-30 10:15:20 AM  

sinner4ever: Knowing Biden , he meant Condoleezza Rice.


Hah! More likely Uncle Ben.

/ I'm voting for him but not liking it. Again.
// I have the horrible feeling I'll be voting for a "Democrat" like this vile governor of Minnesota.
 
2020-05-30 10:21:30 AM  
The San Francisco treat.
 
2020-05-30 10:22:09 AM  
Christ no. He needs help campaigning, and she has the charisma and appeal of a stone.  She's capable and effective but she's not a politician, and she'll never win an election in 4-8 years. We're voting on Biden plus successor.
 
2020-05-30 10:26:23 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.


That's going to happen no matter who his choice is for VP.  fark the right.

Meanwhile, we all know Joe is old.  He's pretty much stated he would serve only one term just to clean up Trump's mess; however, I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign part-way through his third year, because the toll on him would be tremendous.  He is most likely going to spend his time "co-presidenting", but keeping it on the DL.  Train up his Veep and pass the reigns. His Veep would still be eligible to run for two successive terms, which would be awesome.
 
2020-05-30 10:26:56 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Has she ever campaigned?  Has she ever held elected office?


No. A quick scan through Wikipedia: the last US VP who didn't previously hold elected office was Henry Wallace, FDR's 2nd VP.

US Presidents not previously elected: Trump, Eisenhower, Hoover, Grant, Zachary Taylor
 
2020-05-30 10:31:12 AM  

kudayta: Mr. Shabooboo: She would be better suited for a Sec. of State or UN Ambassador..To make her VP, would almost be a waste of talent..

True.  She'd be a great choice to take over in a crisis though. So I'd be perfectly ok with her as VP.


This ^^^^^
 
2020-05-30 10:32:36 AM  
A terrible choice b/c most people have no idea who she is and those that do are mostly right wing nuts who "know" all the stuff Fox has told them.

Her pick would really be an endorsement of the "any black woman" idea
 
2020-05-30 10:33:47 AM  

twocent: Timing is right for Demings, either she or Rice would be good picks.
The VP's role is whatever the president says it is.
We don't know yet if Treason-Weasel-in-Chief will start a foreign war, or a domestic war, or both this year.


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I agree, I didn't know Demings was even into politics.
 
2020-05-30 10:38:14 AM  

bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.


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2020-05-30 10:42:59 AM  

twocent: Timing is right for Demings, either she or Rice would be good picks.
The VP's role is whatever the president says it is.
We don't know yet if Treason-Weasel-in-Chief will start a foreign war, or a domestic war, or both this year.


He's calling out military police to go to Minneapolis. So yeah, domestic one is happening.
 
2020-05-30 10:43:29 AM  
Oh Hell YES!
 
2020-05-30 10:44:14 AM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: She a foreign policy expert. The VP's job is almost wholly domestic policy. This would be a horrible pick when you have a Harris or especially Demmings, who is uniquely suited for the moment  and has done nothing but impress over the last couple of years.


Hate to break the news to you, but Biden was Obama's pick for VP solely due to his knowledge and experience gained by years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  However, because Biden is an expert on foreign relations, it would make more sense for him to select someone with extensive knowledge of domestic issues.
 
2020-05-30 10:46:34 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.

That's going to happen no matter who his choice is for VP.  fark the right.

Meanwhile, we all know Joe is old.  He's pretty much stated he would serve only one term just to clean up Trump's mess; however, I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign part-way through his third year, because the toll on him would be tremendous.  He is most likely going to spend his time "co-presidenting", but keeping it on the DL.  Train up his Veep and pass the reigns. His Veep would still be eligible to run for two successive terms, which would be awesome.


I still see Warren as the most capable person out there, the one who I would want advising the President and eventually leading the country.

Unfortunately, the Senate looks to be kind of a slim majority, and her successor would be appointed by a Republican governor.
 
2020-05-30 10:46:46 AM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: She a foreign policy expert. The VP's job is almost wholly domestic policy. This would be a horrible pick when you have a Harris or especially Demmings, who is uniquely suited for the moment  and has done nothing but impress over the last couple of years.


I once got to tour the west wing after hours because I had a friend who knew Dick Cheney's foreign policy advisor for the Middle East.

Biden's foreign policy experience was supposed to balance out Obamas naïveté.

The vice presidency is whatever the president let's you do.
 
2020-05-30 10:47:14 AM  

sinner4ever: The Lone Gunman: bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.

Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.

It is impossible for him to learn. I can definitely see him picking a prosecutor after these riots.


The whole "you're not black" thing ki

disco ball: sinner4ever: The Lone Gunman: bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.

Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.

It is impossible for him to learn. I can definitely see him picking a prosecutor after these riots.

You're just a ray of farking sunshine aren't you?


The fact that he thought that joking about "you're not black" was okay after fifty years in politics is troubling.

I think "impossible" is a little far, but the Democratic nominee should be completely running over Trump by now.
 
2020-05-30 10:51:09 AM  

ox45tallboy: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.

That's going to happen no matter who his choice is for VP.  fark the right.

Meanwhile, we all know Joe is old.  He's pretty much stated he would serve only one term just to clean up Trump's mess; however, I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign part-way through his third year, because the toll on him would be tremendous.  He is most likely going to spend his time "co-presidenting", but keeping it on the DL.  Train up his Veep and pass the reigns. His Veep would still be eligible to run for two successive terms, which would be awesome.

I still see Warren as the most capable person out there, the one who I would want advising the President and eventually leading the country.

Unfortunately, the Senate looks to be kind of a slim majority, and her successor would be appointed by a Republican governor.


Only until a special election is held.  Within 180 days, iirc.
 
2020-05-30 10:52:44 AM  

Lost_in_Korea: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: She a foreign policy expert. The VP's job is almost wholly domestic policy. This would be a horrible pick when you have a Harris or especially Demmings, who is uniquely suited for the moment  and has done nothing but impress over the last couple of years.

Hate to break the news to you, but Biden was Obama's pick for VP solely due to his knowledge and experience gained by years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  However, because Biden is an expert on foreign relations, it would make more sense for him to select someone with extensive knowledge of domestic issues.


His job was to soothe old white Dems bc... he's an old white dem. Foreign policy was a secondary consideration.
 
2020-05-30 10:53:35 AM  

eiger: A terrible choice b/c most people have no idea who she is and those that do are mostly right wing nuts who "know" all the stuff Fox has told them.

Her pick would really be an endorsement of the "any black woman" idea


Stanford grad and Rhodes scholar and  National Security Advisor. She's a little bit more than just a token black woman.
 
2020-05-30 10:55:29 AM  

The Lone Gunman: sinner4ever: The Lone Gunman: bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.

Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.

It is impossible for him to learn. I can definitely see him picking a prosecutor after these riots.

The whole "you're not black" thing kidisco ball: sinner4ever: The Lone Gunman: bostonguy: Biden is going to have to pick a black woman now.

Yeah. Darnit!

Anywho...I've been saying for a while that he SHOULD pick Stacy Abrams, but probably WILL pick Kamala Harris.

It is impossible for him to learn. I can definitely see him picking a prosecutor after these riots.

You're just a ray of farking sunshine aren't you?

The fact that he thought that joking about "you're not black" was okay after fifty years in politics is troubling.

I think "impossible" is a little far, but the Democratic nominee should be completely running over Trump by now.


He is.

He's far ahead of where Hillary was in the polling. He's ahead in every swing state and even within striking distance in freaking TEXAS.
 
2020-05-30 10:55:35 AM  
Joe Biden's casting couch will be in operation until August 1.  Guess Weinstein's former advisor running the campaign was bound to have an affect.

Just, you know, pay homage to this old white man for a few months, then you can join the most progressive and female friendly campaign in history.
 
2020-05-30 10:56:21 AM  

king of vegas: eiger: A terrible choice b/c most people have no idea who she is and those that do are mostly right wing nuts who "know" all the stuff Fox has told them.

Her pick would really be an endorsement of the "any black woman" idea

Stanford grad and Rhodes scholar and  National Security Advisor. She's a little bit more than just a token black woman.


She's the Secretary of State we need right now. She can be veep when Warren takes over in two or four years.
 
2020-05-30 10:56:41 AM  

twocent: Timing is right for Demings, either she or Rice would be good picks.
The VP's role is whatever the president says it is.
We don't know yet if Treason-Weasel-in-Chief will start a foreign war, or a domestic war, or both this year.


You seem to meet the definition of "Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be"

US Constitution

Article I, Section 3

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.


The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

Article 2, Section 1

.....
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

25th Amendment, Section 3
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.


25th Amendment, Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
 
2020-05-30 10:57:22 AM  
If it's not Elizabeth Warren at this point I don't think anything can save this horrible ticket
 
2020-05-30 10:58:43 AM  

tbhouston: If it's not Elizabeth Warren at this point I don't think anything can save this horrible ticket


She's too old with Joe on the ticket, they desperately need someone under 70.
 
2020-05-30 11:14:53 AM  

twocent: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.

It would be the ultimate stupidity to allow right-wing slander to control the VP choice.
fark those mercenary liars. There is no beginning, middle, nor end to their lying.


and yet, the biden campaign and the democratic party will, if history is any indication, pick someone safe that doesn't upset republicans.
 
2020-05-30 11:15:01 AM  
The moment Obama pulled her nomination for Sec. of State over Republican threats about her Benghazi comments was the moment the right wing realized that they could frame any event with a narrative of their desire.  I know it was in the run up to the election, but I think Obama should have fought for her then.

If Biden picked her it would be kind of a bonus Fark You callback to Republicans for all their bullshiat.  That said, aside from that, she'd be a great pick.  I know she's a foreign policy whiz, but the fact is is that we've pretty much farked up nearly every international relation we have and they all need to be repaired.

If Warren's seat could be a guaranteed lock I'd want her, but I don't trust this as happening.  And sure, it might happen, but it could be a Franken situation where a replacement gets delayed by legal action and a hinky SC and we end up with the Senate for only a few months.  Fark that again.

Abrams would be a good cabinet pick.  HHS
Whitmer.  She's white and she's not Warren.  In another time, a great VP mate.
I'm not even going to mention the stapler thrower.

Rice Harris Demings.  My preference varies from day to day but would be happy with any.
 
2020-05-30 11:29:15 AM  

Insurgent: twocent: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.

It would be the ultimate stupidity to allow right-wing slander to control the VP choice.
fark those mercenary liars. There is no beginning, middle, nor end to their lying.

and yet, the biden campaign and the democratic party will, if history is any indication, pick someone safe that doesn't upset republicans.


I'm guessing Che Guevara would be too centrist for you. Bernie / Putin or BUST!!

What a cartoon....
 
2020-05-30 11:30:21 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: It's not going to happen. She would ignite a firestorm on the right and the Biden campaign does not need ink spilled on BS crap like that.


Igniting a firestorm among the Nazis would be bad....why??? It's not like they're not voting for Trump already.

Injecting some fire only helps Biden. Rice would be a pretty brilliant choice, on all levels.
 
2020-05-30 11:35:54 AM  
I'm a biiiig proponent of Warren for VP, but i really really like Susan Rice. I don't actually think Biden needs a woman colour on the ticket, but Rice is as smart and diplomatic as he could hope to find.
 
2020-05-30 11:52:43 AM  
I wish somebody would start a rumor that Biden's seriously considering Oprah for Veep.  Like get a Biden campaign manager to have a very public meeting with her in Chicago.  Biden himself should deny even thinking about Oprah, which will be seen as confirmation that he's definitely thinking about Oprah.  Like using a laser pointer on a cat, just lead them around faster and faster until they faceplant into a wall.

// I don't do that to my cat
 
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