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2020-05-30 1:00:07 AM  
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2020-05-30 1:04:54 AM  
Holy shiat.
Activist judges lesgilatiwhargarblllllll
 
2020-05-30 1:16:03 AM  
And here comes the parade of rightwing lawsuits based on "yes, that's what you decided in that cased but how about in this case which is the same but totally different huh huh huh?

They're like birds repeatedly flying into a sliding glass door.
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2020-05-30 1:23:16 AM  
'I like beer' and 'The pale rider' both dissented. Alito jr objected but didn't join the dissent.

It's interesting that 'I like beer' brought up first amendment rights in the dissent.
Looking forward to the Twitter v WH showdown.

Sit the f*ck down Zuckerberg! We haven't even decided if androids have rights, let alone opinions.
Pick a chip and suck it!
 
2020-05-30 1:27:30 AM  
I'm so confused - The Majority:

Although California's guidelines place restrictions on places of worship, those restrictions appear consistent withthe Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended pe-riods of time. And the Order exempts or treats more leni-ently only dissimilar activities, such as operating grocery stores, banks, and laundromats, in which people neither congregate in large groups nor remain in close proximity for extended periods.

The Dissent

In response to the COVID-19 health crisis, California has now limited attendance at religious worship services to 25% of building capacity or 100 attendees, whichever is lower. The basic constitutional problem is that comparable secular businesses are not subject to a 25% occupancy cap, includ-ing factories, offices, supermarkets, restaurants, retail stores, pharmacies, shopping malls, pet grooming shops, bookstores, florists, hair salons, and cannabis dispensaries.

Kavanaugh et al consider church to be the same as retail stores, pet grooming and cannabis dispensaries?  Huh.
 
2020-05-30 1:30:25 AM  

thorpe: And here comes the parade of rightwing lawsuits based on "yes, that's what you decided in that cased but how about in this case which is the same but totally different huh huh huh?

They're like birds repeatedly flying into a sliding glass door.
*favorited!*
*favorited!*
*favorited!*
*favorited!*


SCOTUS is under no obligation to take another case.
 
2020-05-30 1:38:38 AM  
I was really worried about this one.  Thank goodness they smacked the church/murderers down.
 
2020-05-30 1:40:14 AM  

BizarreMan: I'm so confused - The Majority:

Although California's guidelines place restrictions on places of worship, those restrictions appear consistent withthe Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended pe-riods of time. And the Order exempts or treats more leni-ently only dissimilar activities, such as operating grocery stores, banks, and laundromats, in which people neither congregate in large groups nor remain in close proximity for extended periods.

The Dissent

In response to the COVID-19 health crisis, California has now limited attendance at religious worship services to 25% of building capacity or 100 attendees, whichever is lower. The basic constitutional problem is that comparable secular businesses are not subject to a 25% occupancy cap, includ-ing factories, offices, supermarkets, restaurants, retail stores, pharmacies, shopping malls, pet grooming shops, bookstores, florists, hair salons, and cannabis dispensaries.

Kavanaugh et al consider church to be the same as retail stores, pet grooming and cannabis dispensaries?  Huh.


"secular businesses?" Does he think churches are religious businesses? Wouldn't that mean we have a separate and unequal tax structure?
 
2020-05-30 1:40:27 AM  
If RBG dies before Biden gets sworn in, or Biden never gets sworn in, we're f*cked.
 
2020-05-30 1:41:59 AM  

thorpe: They're like birds repeatedly flying into a sliding glass door.
*favorited!*
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lol, didn't know about the filter that would change p.l.o.n.k
 
2020-05-30 1:43:07 AM  

Walker: If RBG dies before Biden gets sworn in, or Biden never gets sworn in, we're f*cked.


It will be worth it to send a message to the DNC.

/At least, that's what I was told in 2016
 
2020-05-30 1:43:32 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: thorpe: And here comes the parade of rightwing lawsuits based on "yes, that's what you decided in that cased but how about in this case which is the same but totally different huh huh huh?

They're like birds repeatedly flying into a sliding glass door.
*favorited!*
*favorited!*
*favorited!*
*favorited!*

SCOTUS is under no obligation to take another case.


So the crybaby suits will fail. OK, thanks.
 
2020-05-30 1:45:19 AM  
I did not see that ruling coming.
 
2020-05-30 1:45:19 AM  
Ahem...

Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. [Matthew 6:1]

And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. [Matthew 6:5-6]

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. [Matthew 18:20]

Now it happened that as he was praying alone, the disciples were with him. And he asked them, "Who do the crowds say that I am?" [Luke 9:18]

Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. [Jeremiah 29:12-13]
 
2020-05-30 1:46:24 AM  

BizarreMan: I'm so confused - The Majority:

Although California's guidelines place restrictions on places of worship, those restrictions appear consistent withthe Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended pe-riods of time. And the Order exempts or treats more leni-ently only dissimilar activities, such as operating grocery stores, banks, and laundromats, in which people neither congregate in large groups nor remain in close proximity for extended periods.

The Dissent

In response to the COVID-19 health crisis, California has now limited attendance at religious worship services to 25% of building capacity or 100 attendees, whichever is lower. The basic constitutional problem is that comparable secular businesses are not subject to a 25% occupancy cap, includ-ing factories, offices, supermarkets, restaurants, retail stores, pharmacies, shopping malls, pet grooming shops, bookstores, florists, hair salons, and cannabis dispensaries.

Kavanaugh et al consider church to be the same as retail stores, pet grooming and cannabis dispensaries?  Huh.


Well...time to start taxing them as such.
 
2020-05-30 2:32:26 AM  
Dread Justice Roberts is the wildcard once again?

/in this instance I'll allow it
 
2020-05-30 2:36:44 AM  

thorpe: thorpe: They're like birds repeatedly flying into a sliding glass door.
*favorited!*
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lol, didn't know about the filter that would change p.l.o.n.k


We used to use that word to indicate that we were putting someone on the Ignore list.. we were forced to stop using it.
 
2020-05-30 3:23:11 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Dread Justice Roberts is the wildcard once again?

/in this instance I'll allow it


Strange times indeed.
 
2020-05-30 3:32:57 AM  

BizarreMan: I'm so confused - The Majority:

Although California's guidelines place restrictions on places of worship, those restrictions appear consistent withthe Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended pe-riods of time. And the Order exempts or treats more leni-ently only dissimilar activities, such as operating grocery stores, banks, and laundromats, in which people neither congregate in large groups nor remain in close proximity for extended periods.

The Dissent

In response to the COVID-19 health crisis, California has now limited attendance at religious worship services to 25% of building capacity or 100 attendees, whichever is lower. The basic constitutional problem is that comparable secular businesses are not subject to a 25% occupancy cap, includ-ing factories, offices, supermarkets, restaurants, retail stores, pharmacies, shopping malls, pet grooming shops, bookstores, florists, hair salons, and cannabis dispensaries.

Kavanaugh et al consider church to be the same as retail stores, pet grooming and cannabis dispensaries?  Huh.


Well, churches take people's hard earned dollars, treated those same people like sheep, and create an alternate reality for said people.

Seems consistent.
 
2020-05-30 3:50:43 AM  
The thing that makes me nervous is that Roberts appears to cherish his centrist role in that it feeds his ego. By this I mean that I get the impression that by sometimes agreeing with the Left, and sometimes the Right, he convinces himself that must mean he's fair and thoughtful. But what I also think he does is keep an internal scorecard where going Left a few times justifies going Right other times regardless of any actual core Constitutional scholarship.
 
2020-05-30 5:13:55 AM  

wademh: The thing that makes me nervous is that Roberts appears to cherish his centrist role in that it feeds his ego. By this I mean that I get the impression that by sometimes agreeing with the Left, and sometimes the Right, he convinces himself that must mean he's fair and thoughtful. But what I also think he does is keep an internal scorecard where going Left a few times justifies going Right other times regardless of any actual core Constitutional scholarship.


I think he's concerned with his legacy and that basically requires some centrism. But I think the centrism is a by-product rather than the thing he directly values.
 
2020-05-30 5:45:28 AM  
I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.
 
2020-05-30 5:49:13 AM  

Ishkur: I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.


The people who value the collection plate more than the congregation want them in the pews.
 
2020-05-30 5:50:32 AM  

Alphax: Ishkur: I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.

The people who value the collection plate more than the congregation want them in the pews.


What does God need with a collection plate?

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2020-05-30 5:55:51 AM  

Ishkur: I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.


It is absolutely crazy that the Catholic church is arguing people should follow secular law and can stay home, read Scripture, and pray and confess directly to God to receive absolution in the priesthood of the believer, while the evangelical Protestants are arguing that their laws supercede the laws of princes and the faithful must gather in public to perform sacraments and rituals within their One True Church in order to stay in God's grace. Like, cmon guys, stay in your lane.
 
2020-05-30 6:10:37 AM  
Is it too soon for thoughts and prayers?
 
2020-05-30 6:17:44 AM  
It's like these America-haters WANT Joel Osteen to have to -- I can barely say it out loud -- fly in a Gulfstream *G4* instead of a G650.
 
2020-05-30 6:23:59 AM  
5-4.

Maybe there is a God and he's keeping Ginsberg alive. Nothing has come closer to convincing me of Jesus than the Christians following the Antichrist in the White House constantly and hilariously being shown they're wrong by various random happenstance and twists of fate.

And then a virus comes along and all you have to do to avoid dying is get plenty of sun, sleep, and take a vacation from consumerism.  And get again, they reveal their true colors by forcing people to wok or endangering them in church.

Ramen.
 
2020-05-30 6:26:00 AM  

koder: forcing people to wok


Lol... I meant work, but I guess this still applies in some cases.
 
2020-05-30 6:31:07 AM  
Those 4 judges should be disbarred immediately.
 
2020-05-30 6:31:43 AM  
It's nice to see Roberts eschewing the party like for once, though I suspect that the churches in question are mostly going to ignore the ruling.
 
2020-05-30 6:37:49 AM  
I will never understand religious people... how hard is it to understand that religion is a scam??? Its a made up story for grown ups to take your money and control your mind and get power.

What kind of sane human being believes what a bunch of wackos wrote 1500 years ago? Believing in any religion is like taking any science fiction book and basing your whole life on it. It's literally insane. It's mass delusion.

I hope one day humanity will get rid of this stupidy called religion. FFS people, we're in 2020, we aint in caves hiding from thunderstorms and scary animals anymore!
 
2020-05-30 6:37:52 AM  

koder: Maybe there is a God and he's keeping Ginsberg alive.


I keep pointing it out to fundies that God either:

1) Sent Trump
2) Sent the virus.

Which has Biblical precedent?
 
2020-05-30 6:41:55 AM  

Ishkur: koder: Maybe there is a God and he's keeping Ginsberg alive.

I keep pointing it out to fundies that God either:

1) Sent Trump
2) Sent the virus.

Which has Biblical precedent?


whynotboth.jpg

Their god does have a thing for killin' & mass deaths.
 
2020-05-30 6:42:43 AM  
From what I can tell with a quick skim:

Kavanaugh's dissent assumes, from the beginning, that California is discriminating against churches and therefore the question is not is the order is unconstitutional, but how unconstitutional is it? Kavanaugh answers, very lots unconstitutional because a little bit is big, if you look at it from close up.

The majority seems to think that the reasonableness of the order is open to debate, but that the debate is the purview of elected officials. The quarantine is based on changing information, and restrictions are evolving to meet the needs of different states and satisfy the new risk analysis of a novel threat. Therefore, elected officials need to be able to make decisions and change decisions, rather than a federal court imposing a decision. The court would have to rule, so minutely tailored to the restrictions of the moment, that the ruling would be trivial; alternatively, rule so broadly that the restrictions could not evolve and would tie lawmakers' hands.

I just skimmed, though.
 
2020-05-30 6:49:05 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: From what I can tell with a quick skim:

Kavanaugh's dissent assumes, from the beginning, that California is discriminating against churches and therefore the question is not is the order is unconstitutional, but how unconstitutional is it? Kavanaugh answers, very lots unconstitutional because a little bit is big, if you look at it from close up.

The majority seems to think that the reasonableness of the order is open to debate, but that the debate is the purview of elected officials. The quarantine is based on changing information, and restrictions are evolving to meet the needs of different states and satisfy the new risk analysis of a novel threat. Therefore, elected officials need to be able to make decisions and change decisions, rather than a federal court imposing a decision. The court would have to rule, so minutely tailored to the restrictions of the moment, that the ruling would be trivial; alternatively, rule so broadly that the restrictions could not evolve and would tie lawmakers' hands.

I just skimmed, though.


Bonus: As was mentioned up-thread, Kavanaugh the Catholic Prep School Boy ignoring the Pope saying it's okay to pray at home.

you can't make this up!
 
2020-05-30 6:49:17 AM  
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2020-05-30 6:49:19 AM  
Germany are going through the whole crisis pretty well. The only hotspots come from religious gatherings. Since we are well-equipped to handle local outbreaks and have put in place regulations to take people's names and addresses to track down potential covid-19 contacts, a country like the US would have serious problems containing such incidents. Any other decision would have verged on negligent homicide.
 
2020-05-30 6:49:21 AM  
Churches are people

/Here's the steeple
 
2020-05-30 6:50:18 AM  
The conservative SCOTUS judges better start rethinking their predominantly white, upper ruling class, decisions and direction. This country is sitting on a powder keg right now.
 
2020-05-30 6:52:36 AM  

BizarreMan: Kavanaugh et al consider church to be the same as retail stores, pet grooming and cannabis dispensaries?  Huh.


I think it was pretty high and mighty of him to compare churches to factories. That's where we produce shiat. You know when they finally have a vaccine for this, guess where it's going to be made. In a factory. Our asses are going to be saved by two things, a research lab and a factory. What the hell does a church produce other than more plague bearers. Do churches provide a useful service? Possibly, if you consider comfort and a sense of community, but there is absolutely no reason that can't be provided online. If your God is such a dick that he requires you to breathe on each other in an enclosed space while drinking from the same cup to prove how much you love him, maybe you should consider switching Gods.
 
2020-05-30 6:53:43 AM  

JK8Fan: The conservative SCOTUS judges better start rethinking their predominantly white, upper ruling class, decisions and direction. This country is sitting on a powder keg right now.


I hate to break it to you, but POC tend to be more religious and more Christian than white people:

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relig​i​on_in_the_United_States
 
2020-05-30 6:55:25 AM  

lolmao500: I will never understand religious people... how hard is it to understand that religion is a scam??? Its a made up story for grown ups to take your money and control your mind and get power.

What kind of sane human being believes what a bunch of wackos wrote 1500 years ago? Believing in any religion is like taking any science fiction book and basing your whole life on it. It's literally insane. It's mass delusion.

I hope one day humanity will get rid of this stupidy called religion. FFS people, we're in 2020, we aint in caves hiding from thunderstorms and scary animals anymore!


Well, maybe not caves.
 
2020-05-30 6:55:34 AM  

pkjun: Ishkur: I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.

It is absolutely crazy that the Catholic church is arguing people should follow secular law and can stay home, read Scripture, and pray and confess directly to God to receive absolution in the priesthood of the believer, while the evangelical Protestants are arguing that their laws supercede the laws of princes and the faithful must gather in public to perform sacraments and rituals within their One True Church in order to stay in God's grace. Like, cmon guys, stay in your lane.


I said it in a different thread: The Catholic Church has survived every plague, and learned from them all. The Evangelicals are newbz.
 
2020-05-30 6:56:45 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Bonus: As was mentioned up-thread, Kavanaugh the Catholic Prep School Boy ignoring the Pope saying it's okay to pray at home.

you can't make this up!


w0rd
 
2020-05-30 6:57:04 AM  
Hope everyone enjoys their token Roberts ruling to give you the whole "He's not partisan!" angle when he rules in favor of BMI 45 for all the other cases.  He'll still give Trump shielding from emoluments, releasing tax info when it's clear it's legally required, probably overturning abortion legality, and whatever else the GOP handlers want.  This is a short term 'victory' for something that honestly being enforced won't mean crap since you have the mensa-states like Georgia and Florida and the whole southeast acting like the virus isn't real.  "We only got about 1k deaths, FL doing a great job.  Pneumonia?  What do you mean we have 5 times as many pneumonia deaths this year vs the average over the last 7 years?  Pneumonia isn't COVID!"
 
2020-05-30 6:57:32 AM  

BizarreMan: I'm so confused - The Majority:

Although California's guidelines place restrictions on places of worship, those restrictions appear consistent withthe Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended pe-riods of time. And the Order exempts or treats more leni-ently only dissimilar activities, such as operating grocery stores, banks, and laundromats, in which people neither congregate in large groups nor remain in close proximity for extended periods.

The Dissent

In response to the COVID-19 health crisis, California has now limited attendance at religious worship services to 25% of building capacity or 100 attendees, whichever is lower. The basic constitutional problem is that comparable secular businesses are not subject to a 25% occupancy cap, includ-ing factories, offices, supermarkets, restaurants, retail stores, pharmacies, shopping malls, pet grooming shops, bookstores, florists, hair salons, and cannabis dispensaries.

Kavanaugh et al consider church to be the same as retail stores, pet grooming and cannabis dispensaries?  Huh.


then they should be taxed like them too.
 
2020-05-30 6:59:17 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: pkjun: Ishkur: I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.

It is absolutely crazy that the Catholic church is arguing people should follow secular law and can stay home, read Scripture, and pray and confess directly to God to receive absolution in the priesthood of the believer, while the evangelical Protestants are arguing that their laws supercede the laws of princes and the faithful must gather in public to perform sacraments and rituals within their One True Church in order to stay in God's grace. Like, cmon guys, stay in your lane.

I said it in a different thread: The Catholic Church has survived every plague, and learned from them all. The Evangelicals are newbz.


I hadn't even thought about that. Hell, the Pope can probably read the actual records from 1347.
 
2020-05-30 7:01:24 AM  

Ishkur: I don't know why this is so important to religious people.

Matthew 6:5-8 says pray at home. Only hypocrites and virtue signaling try-too-hards go to church -- to be seen by others. But God can see you at home just fine.


If I don't go to church how am I supposed to gossip about members of the congregation that aren't there?
 
2020-05-30 7:01:37 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: Hope everyone enjoys their token Roberts ruling to give you the whole "He's not partisan!" angle when he rules in favor of BMI 45 for all the other cases.  He'll still give Trump shielding from emoluments, releasing tax info when it's clear it's legally required, probably overturning abortion legality, and whatever else the GOP handlers want.  This is a short term 'victory' for something that honestly being enforced won't mean crap since you have the mensa-states like Georgia and Florida and the whole southeast acting like the virus isn't real.  "We only got about 1k deaths, FL doing a great job.  Pneumonia?  What do you mean we have 5 times as many pneumonia deaths this year vs the average over the last 7 years?  Pneumonia isn't COVID!"


What the fark are you going on about? No one thinks this is a "victory" in any way, shape, or form, and since no one around here can do a farking thing to influence John Roberts, all we can do is sit here and comment that this one time he surprised us by doing the right thing. That's it.
 
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