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(The New York Times)   "If platforms were not immune under the law, then they would not risk the legal liability that could come with hosting Trump's lies, defamation and threats." ∴Twitter hides all of his tweets, banhammer immediately after Biden takes the oath of office   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-05-29 12:24:06 PM  
Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.
 
2020-05-29 12:39:54 PM  
 
2020-05-29 1:25:11 PM  

cman: There seems to be growing bipartisan support for such

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/17/210​70403/joe-biden-president-election-sec​tion-230-communications-decency-act-re​voke


Oh, there are a LOT of knickers getting soiled right at this moment. And I suspect that there are a lot of lines in DC right now that are getting overloaded with calls.

Never hand someone a weapon if you don't know how they'll use it. And in this case, Donnie is just juggling a case of grenades...
 
2020-05-29 1:30:24 PM  
Section 230 really doesn't need to change; the anti-porn and pro-copyright nutters, along with anyone wanting to "protect the children" from indecency would have a field day with censorship.
 
2020-05-29 2:02:40 PM  

cman: There seems to be growing bipartisan support for such

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/17/210​70403/joe-biden-president-election-sec​tion-230-communications-decency-act-re​voke


Because conservatives are stupid and liberals know it will hurt conservatives.

It's not dissimilar to the idea that we should promote that each state keep its tax dollars. Liberals know this would be a windfall for blue states and conservatives are so stupid they think blue states are the moocher states.
 
2020-05-29 3:31:27 PM  
I dont think Twitter will live or die based on Trump's happiness with them.

Trump without Twitter though? It will kill his political life if not him.

I'd like to see Twitter treat Trump like it does everybody else for a week or so. Trump might be surprised but somebody has to teach the little ones what's acceptable.
 
2020-05-29 4:25:09 PM  
Cut the nose! Cut the nose!
 
2020-05-29 4:27:06 PM  
I think Twitter has more power than Drumpf right now, the latter has been stepping on his dick like he has two of them lately...

/and short legs
//very short
///like a dauschund
 
2020-05-29 4:28:25 PM  
Oh, and good luck with that executive order, Donnie Boy.  It'll be tied up in court until Jan 2021 when it'll be one of the first orders rescinded by President Lisa Simpson on Inauguration Day.
 
2020-05-29 4:30:11 PM  
The only reason conservatives keep getting "silenced" on social media is because conservatives keep trying to push the boundaries of every site's ToS by being racist and harassing others, all under the guise of "it's just my opinion!"
 
2020-05-29 4:31:50 PM  

edmo: I dont think Twitter will live or die based on Trump's happiness with them.

Trump without Twitter though? It will kill his political life if not him.

I'd like to see Twitter treat Trump like it does everybody else for a week or so. Trump might be surprised but somebody has to teach the little ones what's acceptable.


I don't think that Twitter is basing their business model on Trump shiatTwitting 150 times a day.  They were doing fine before he got there.  And if their revenue is based on ads or something, honestly, I don't know where they are.  It's not like there are more ads on Trump tweets than any others.

Plus, all of this publicity has brought attention to them.  And they are winning from that attention.

Anyway...  I would love to see Donny Boy drop Twitter and go to a more conservative-friendly platform.  There would be 2 upsides. 1, I wouldn't have to see his constant stream of Tweets*, and 2, It would completely destroy his social media presence.

*I made it a point to unfollow his account.  I still see his Tweets all over my feed.  And I really don't know why.
 
2020-05-29 4:35:14 PM  
I'm just waiting for the ADF and SPLC to jointly announce a class action lawsuit against Gab right after Trump signs the EO.
 
2020-05-29 4:36:03 PM  

edmo: I dont think Twitter will live or die based on Trump's happiness with them.

Trump without Twitter though? It will kill his political life if not him.

I'd like to see Twitter treat Trump like it does everybody else for a week or so. Trump might be surprised but somebody has to teach the little ones what's acceptable.


If Twitter treated Trump like it does everyone else, his account wouldn't last a week.
 
2020-05-29 4:37:27 PM  
And one again Donnie hauls off and hits his gonads with his tiny fist saying he will keep doing it until life treats him fairly.
 
2020-05-29 4:39:35 PM  
I'm OK with kneecapping Twatter and Facespace, but I bet their CEOs aren't.

So, please proceed, President Dumbfark. I don't give a shiat about either one of them and humanity would be better off without them.

I'm fine with not having to avoid the firehose of stupid generated by every farking stupid racist, sexist, and homophobic asshole on the planet.

BTW, lots of people (women, people of color and LGBTQ people) have been asking for this for years. Accountability from the tech bros who profit from racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, basically all the disgusting shiat Twatter and Facespace have been churning out since their inception.
 
2020-05-29 4:40:41 PM  
Trump is trying to get twitter to ban him.  He's goading them more and more, even to the point that he issues executive orders.  Why....he's almost certainly has some financial interests in a well-positioned competitive to twitter.  But he needs a moral outrage to justify leaving twitter and moving to the rival (and taking his followers with him).
 
2020-05-29 4:43:24 PM  
What a surprise another GOP shooting himself in the face to spite his nose.
 
2020-05-29 4:43:40 PM  
Most of the internet wouldn't exist as it does today.

i'd wager that if they did not have immunity that we would not have ever had Twitter, or Facebook, or even Amazon in its current form.
 
2020-05-29 4:43:53 PM  
I guess what I am saying is "MAKE THEM LIABLE!"
 
2020-05-29 4:48:02 PM  
It's a point of pride that I don't even know what Gab or Voat's domain names are
 
2020-05-29 4:48:20 PM  

meat0918: Most of the internet wouldn't exist as it does today.

i'd wager that if they did not have immunity that we would not have ever had Twitter, or Facebook, or even Amazon in its current form.


Or fark
 
2020-05-29 4:48:42 PM  

durbnpoisn: It's not like there are more ads on Trump tweets than any others.


Generally, it's not that they'd be running more ads, it's that the ads would be viewed by more people so they would command a higher price. It also drives the view rate of all ads since it skews the #s, so it makes all ads worth slightly more.

It's all basically an auction under the hood for ad space these days. You send up a position to the prebid server, a few ad networks send you a bid for how much they'll pay to get their ad in that slot. The ad on the president's page, where they expect it to get a few million views in the next few hours, is going to be worth more than the ad on my page with 0 followers. They strike a balance between a massive # of cheaper ads on smaller accounts, and a smaller number of high value ads on extremely popular pages, and I'm sure they're very interested in protecting both revenue streams. Wouldn't shock me if one trump tweet was worth 1000x one of mine, given the price per view and the raw # of views.

The only caveat is that a lot of advertisers use blacklist to not have their ads show up on content w/ certain keywords (ex: Trump, Coronavirus), but as long as there are plenty lining up to take their place, Twitter isn't going to give a fark about Trump's tweets as long as they keep bringing in clicks and don't put them in legal jeopardy.
 
2020-05-29 4:49:50 PM  

keytronic: Trump is trying to get twitter to ban him.  He's goading them more and more, even to the point that he issues executive orders.  Why....he's almost certainly has some financial interests in a well-positioned competitive to twitter.  But he needs a moral outrage to justify leaving twitter and moving to the rival (and taking his followers with him).


No one is going to use conservative Twitter, just like no one uses Voat.  All of the really bad shiat got deplatformed because hosting companies don't want to be associated with garbage like Stormfront
 
2020-05-29 4:51:18 PM  

wandererobtm101: meat0918: Most of the internet wouldn't exist as it does today.

i'd wager that if they did not have immunity that we would not have ever had Twitter, or Facebook, or even Amazon in its current form.

Or fark


I realize that.
 
2020-05-29 4:51:32 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.


Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.
 
2020-05-29 4:52:03 PM  

koder: pro-copyright nutters


You mean copy rights that are guaranteed in the constitution? Or do the pro-copyright nutters want something else?
 
2020-05-29 4:54:35 PM  
Trumpers do not understand how the 1st Amendment works.  They think that it makes them immune from criticism and push back, whenever they spew their toxic ideology and lies.

Twitter is a business, it's a platform which will supply you with a forum, or not, depending on if you follow their rules, which is completely legal, by the way.
 
2020-05-29 4:54:54 PM  
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2020-05-29 4:55:45 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


How Soviet of you, comrade.  How's your borscht?
 
2020-05-29 4:56:33 PM  

keytronic: Trump is trying to get twitter to ban him.  He's goading them more and more, even to the point that he issues executive orders.  Why....he's almost certainly has some financial interests in a well-positioned competitive to twitter.  But he needs a moral outrage to justify leaving twitter and moving to the rival (and taking his followers with him).


..or..he's an idiot who is cutting off his nose, to spite his face.
 
2020-05-29 4:57:42 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


Probably because they are run by educated and science backed people.  And those people lean left.  The fact that the right derides education is all you need to know about them.  Congrats on being in the group of stupid.
 
2020-05-29 5:03:13 PM  
Trump is expecting them to respond by ELIMINATING any standards, and thus not being considered a "publisher".

This is the intent--not to allow Twitter to be sued, but to force twitter into eliminating ALL policing.
 
2020-05-29 5:04:16 PM  

Skleenar: Trump is expecting them to respond by ELIMINATING any standards, and thus not being considered a "publisher".

This is the intent--not to allow Twitter to be sued, but to force twitter into eliminating ALL policing.


Yes, it is. LOL
 
2020-05-29 5:08:31 PM  

desertratt: Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits. Just remember, they brought it on themselves. They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


Man, you really need to invest in some sort of absorbent undergarments.
 
2020-05-29 5:13:39 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


Which way? If this is what conservatives are like when they're silenced, how much louder and whinier are they trying to be? Is it even possible to be louder or whinier?
 
2020-05-29 5:19:32 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


In America, opposing hate and lies is not seen as "slanted one way", except by people immersed in hate and lies. Hate radio, Fox News, and reactionary blogs led to a lot of foolish people becoming completely toxic. Lying to people to teach them to hate had consequences, warping their entire worldview.
 
2020-05-29 5:25:22 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


I know right? I'm not sure it's their fault when conservatives break the rules more often. Have you guys considered not being openly terrible human beings? Just a  thought...
 
2020-05-29 5:25:38 PM  
The president is trying to carve out a safe space for himself and it doesn't matter if 1A has to get carved out in the process.
 
2020-05-29 5:26:13 PM  

a particular individual: koder: pro-copyright nutters

You mean copy rights that are guaranteed in the constitution? Or do the pro-copyright nutters want something else?


No, the Disney corporation leading the fight to make sure nothing ever becomes public domain ever again
 
2020-05-29 5:30:09 PM  

sillydragon: desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.

I know right? I'm not sure it's their fault when conservatives break the rules more often. Have you guys considered not being openly terrible human beings? Just a  thought...


They circled the wagons around bigotry, enshrining it as a Conservative value. It's been all downhill since then. All they had to do was grow up, but it was too much for them, and now they're just a band of bigots, crooks, and the willfully-blind.
 
2020-05-29 5:32:18 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


"THIS COMPANY WON'T LET ME USE THEIR FREE SERVICE TO POST MY SCREEDS OF HATE AND VIOLENCE" isn't the argument you think it is.
 
2020-05-29 5:33:02 PM  

keytronic: Trump is trying to get twitter to ban him.  He's goading them more and more, even to the point that he issues executive orders.  Why....he's almost certainly has some financial interests in a well-positioned competitive to twitter.  But he needs a moral outrage to justify leaving twitter and moving to the rival (and taking his followers with him).


Maybe but I doubt he even had that plan I think he is just lashing out as all id right now
 
2020-05-29 5:35:07 PM  

keytronic: Trump is trying to get twitter to ban him.  He's goading them more and more, even to the point that he issues executive orders.  Why....he's almost certainly has some financial interests in a well-positioned competitive to twitter.  But he needs a moral outrage to justify leaving twitter and moving to the rival (and taking his followers with him).


It would be awesome if his toxic fans farked off to the new Trump shiatter. It would be good for normal people and good for Twitter, because they'd be much more advertising-friendly. Businesses don't want their ad to wind up next to some idiot's bigoted screed.
 
2020-05-29 5:39:42 PM  

Malenfant: sillydragon: desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.

I know right? I'm not sure it's their fault when conservatives break the rules more often. Have you guys considered not being openly terrible human beings? Just a  thought...

They circled the wagons around bigotry, enshrining it as a Conservative value. It's been all downhill since then. All they had to do was grow up, but it was too much for them, and now they're just a band of bigots, crooks, and the willfully-blind.


Oh I know, though I confess, I'd sort of like to see the court cases too...

Judge: Okay, we've got two sets of tweets here...lesse now...

Leftwing tweets: People should have access to food, shelter, and medical assistance. Nobody should live in poverty on such a rich planet. Everyone is equal. Also, universal healthcare and free education would be pretty cool too...

Alt-righters: Ni*bongs* should be hung from trees. Jews will not replace us! #RaHoWa! Blood and soil! Hitler did nothing wrong!

Judge: Ah yes, I see what you mean, twitter definitely should have banned both of these nearly identical things...
 
2020-05-29 5:56:25 PM  
Killing section 230 will literally kill the internet
 
2020-05-29 6:01:59 PM  

MattytheMouse: The only reason conservatives keep getting "silenced" on social media is because conservatives keep trying to push the boundaries of every site's ToS by being racist and harassing others, all under the guise of "it's just my opinion!"


Or my favorite argument of theirs:

"That's just what I bu-leeeeeve!"
 
2020-05-29 6:03:59 PM  

koder: Section 230 really doesn't need to change; the anti-porn and pro-copyright nutters, along with anyone wanting to "protect the children" from indecency would have a field day with censorship.


They revoke 230 and Pornhub goes away, along with all the other porn sites. Sharable cloud storage, image hosts, reddit... all of 'em would die, some faster than others.
 
2020-05-29 6:35:48 PM  

desertratt: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gutting section 230 will hurt conservative commentary far more than liberal commentary.

I say bring it on.

Actually the social media sites are about to get slammed with lawsuits.  Just remember, they brought it on themselves.  They have been openly slanted one way and now it's going to cost them.


Slanted, ha. Hate the free marketplace of ideas huh? Here a pro tip: if what you say and post sucks, then don't whine when people stop listening. Don't want to get deleted or banned, then don't violate ToS. Somehow this seems hard for morons.
 
2020-05-29 7:11:14 PM  

sillydragon: Leftwing tweets: People should have access to food, shelter, and medical assistance. Nobody should live in poverty on such a rich planet. Everyone is equal. Also, universal healthcare and free education would be pretty cool too...

Alt-righters: Ni*bongs* should be hung from trees. Jews will not replace us! #RaHoWa! Blood and soil! Hitler did nothing wrong!


Moderates will tell you that both of those are perfectly normal expressions of opinion which should be respected equally.
 
2020-05-29 7:22:06 PM  
The thing is: you can say a bunch of shiat, and then I can say what you're saying is shiat, that's how it works.

I can tell you to shut up, but if you don't shut up, that's okay, I can just say you're an idiot, and you can insult me too, if you want to.

See?  That's how it works.  That's why all those dudes died in the 18th century, and wrote the Constitution.  Got it?  Good.
 
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