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2020-05-29 11:04:41 AM  
The only one bringing down Huawei is Huawei and it's spyware.
 
2020-05-29 12:50:28 PM  
Good. Frankly we (Canada) should be changing the way we do business with China and other countries, we have too much foreign ownership and "investment", especially of real estate. It needs to be harder to buy Canada.
 
2020-05-29 12:52:07 PM  
Yeah yeah. We still have better Chinese restaurants than in China proper.
 
2020-05-29 12:55:11 PM  
bleh il be getting a p40 in july or something ;p
 
2020-05-29 1:04:20 PM  
Here is where Trump strides in and does what only a man like him can do, talks a really tough game then bends over and spreads his asshole.
 
2020-05-29 1:04:21 PM  
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Yo Canada
 
2020-05-29 1:05:15 PM  

dothemath: Here is where Trump strides in and does what only a man like him can do, talks a really tough game then bends over and spreads his asshole.


Stephen Miller?
 
2020-05-29 1:07:39 PM  
Canada. Is. Not. Real.
 
2020-05-29 1:09:58 PM  
No matter what we do, China is going to biatch about it. We're probably better working diplomatically with African and Caribbean and TPP countries for their economic development while limiting China's belt and road program.

As I recall, Kenya already summoned the Chinese ambassador because China behaved so shiattily towards their citizens in China when the pandemic broke out, so the political animosity towards China is already simmering.
 
2020-05-29 1:12:08 PM  

ChiliBoots: No matter what we do, China is going to biatch about it. We're probably better working diplomatically with African and Caribbean and TPP countries for their economic development while limiting China's belt and road program.

As I recall, Kenya already summoned the Chinese ambassador because China behaved so shiattily towards their citizens in China when the pandemic broke out, so the political animosity towards China is already simmering.


Imagine how handy the TPP would be right now. Leveraging the economic and political power of nearly every Pacific Rim country (except China).
 
2020-05-29 1:15:52 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Stephen Miller?


I bet you a months pay that guy has paid a black woman to beat his balls with a coat hanger.
 
2020-05-29 1:15:56 PM  
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2020-05-29 1:18:12 PM  

funmonger: Yeah yeah. We still have better Chinese restaurants than in China proper.


Everyone has better Chinese restaurants than china. Ever hear of Chinese gutter oil? It's rendered fatberg. Yes, out of the sewers. It's in about 1 in every 10 meals sold there.
Between that and their prison system, you couldn't pay me enough to go to China.
 
2020-05-29 1:18:38 PM  

Subtonic: Canada. Is. Not. Real.


You misspelled "Norway," eh.
 
2020-05-29 1:19:30 PM  
Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.
 
2020-05-29 1:20:29 PM  
Canadia is actually infiltrating the US with quiet subterfuge.

They're politely taking over the world, one American at a time.
 
2020-05-29 1:22:28 PM  

Moopy Mac: ChiliBoots: No matter what we do, China is going to biatch about it. We're probably better working diplomatically with African and Caribbean and TPP countries for their economic development while limiting China's belt and road program.

As I recall, Kenya already summoned the Chinese ambassador because China behaved so shiattily towards their citizens in China when the pandemic broke out, so the political animosity towards China is already simmering.

Imagine how handy the TPP would be right now. Leveraging the economic and political power of nearly every Pacific Rim country (except China).


Oops, nomenclature mistake on my part, Canada is party to the CPTPP, which is the successor agreement to TPP, basically TPP sans the US.
 
2020-05-29 1:26:53 PM  

towatchoverme: Subtonic: Canada. Is. Not. Real.

You misspelled "Norway," eh.


Finland.
 
2020-05-29 1:28:32 PM  
Dear China,

When we sign shiat, it actually means something, and we have to actually do the thing we said we'd do. We're sorry.
 
2020-05-29 1:33:07 PM  
They can't fight us, we've got General Tao on our side.*


*Yes I know in the States is General Tso but that's how it is here in Mtl. Personally I think Tao is better and that Tso is a typo ('a' is next to 's' on a keyboard).
 
2020-05-29 1:45:55 PM  

Psychopusher: The only one bringing down Huawei is Huawei and it's spyware.


The thing is, I've seen no proof of said spyware.
 
2020-05-29 1:46:44 PM  
Huawei shouldnt be a thing anywhere in the western world.
 
2020-05-29 1:51:43 PM  

towatchoverme: Subtonic: Canada. Is. Not. Real.

You misspelled "Norway," eh.


Norway is it real?  Canada I mean.
 
2020-05-29 1:57:22 PM  

Toxophil: funmonger: Yeah yeah. We still have better Chinese restaurants than in China proper.

Everyone has better Chinese restaurants than china. Ever hear of Chinese gutter oil? It's rendered fatberg. Yes, out of the sewers. It's in about 1 in every 10 meals sold there.
Between that and their prison system, you couldn't pay me enough to go to China.


I was torn. On the one hand that sounds like something China would do, on the other hand it sounds like a bigoted slur. Turns out it actually is a thing. Not just fatberg, but used restaurant oil, and slaughterhouse refuse, as per Wikipedia. Yuck.
 
2020-05-29 2:00:23 PM  

lolmao500: Huawei shouldnt be a thing anywhere in the western world.


Why not?  It's just all the Nortel technology that China stole...
 
2020-05-29 2:02:29 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.


This.  Only reason we're involved is some agreements we have with the US and we've seen how well they've been getting honoured with Drumpf in office.
 
2020-05-29 2:04:02 PM  

Toxophil: funmonger: Yeah yeah. We still have better Chinese restaurants than in China proper.

Everyone has better Chinese restaurants than china. Ever hear of Chinese gutter oil? It's rendered fatberg. Yes, out of the sewers. It's in about 1 in every 10 meals sold there.
Between that and their prison system, you couldn't pay me enough to go to China.


I think that reply should come with a fact check.

/worked in Hong Kong before the handover
//China proper, now
///Chinese people are neither crazy nor into fatbergs
 
2020-05-29 2:04:56 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.


You tell your staunch allies to fark off?
 
2020-05-29 2:13:11 PM  
My favourite part was when Meng took her victory photo the day before the ruling. That was pretty funny.
 
2020-05-29 2:13:38 PM  

funmonger: DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.

You tell your staunch allies to fark off?


With allies like these..
 
2020-05-29 2:40:25 PM  

slama: funmonger: DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.

You tell your staunch allies to fark off?

With allies like these..


... you storm the beach at Normandy.
 
2020-05-29 2:53:11 PM  

funmonger: DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.

You tell your staunch allies to fark off?


Why would we have any actual allies these days? We elected an administration basically on the basis of pro-isolationist, protectionist economic and geopolitical stances to promote "America First" and our present administration has done everything possible to torpedo every agreement and Alliance we had.

Most people here are not against our international obligations and interests and stuff. But the ones who are, vote, and are strategically located. And as long as there is such apathy, we are unreliable. I expect that mulitnationals are going to eventually align with the Democrats politically, but big business has financed a lot of infrastructure for the Republicans. Of course there are plenty of domestic company types backing the nativists. Even the next generation Koch guy seems pretty ambivalent about the GOP though.

But our nativists are far better at gaming our political system. And as long as they remain a potent political power, we are inherently unreliable, imo.
 
2020-05-29 3:04:44 PM  
I really hope that if/when Ms. Meng gets sent to the US that they actually go through with a trial.  I would hate for the US DOJ to drop the case after China and the US come to a political agreement.  She should only have been charged if she broke the law and if she broke the law then she should be put on trial.  If she gets off for political reasons then Canada stuck to its principles to no end and any politically tainted extraditions should be voided in the future.
 
Juc
2020-05-29 3:18:14 PM  
China's upset they can't politically interfere with our agreements and treaties? Awwww, poor china.
 
2020-05-29 3:19:49 PM  
It sucks having to be the grownup in a fight between children. When we are the only one trying to actually follow the rule of law and the international agreements we signed.
 
2020-05-29 3:24:44 PM  
My tears for China's state sponsored corporate espionage are immense!!
 
2020-05-29 3:40:53 PM  

funmonger: slama: funmonger: DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.

You tell your staunch allies to fark off?

With allies like these..

... you storm the beach at Normandy.


75 years ago the US was a great friend, I'll give you that.
 
2020-05-29 3:48:13 PM  

BolloxReader: funmonger: DOCTORD000M: Can't we tell both countries to fark off?  No, no we can't.  "Devil you know", I guess.

You tell your staunch allies to fark off?

Why would we have any actual allies these days? We elected an administration basically on the basis of pro-isolationist, protectionist economic and geopolitical stances to promote "America First" and our present administration has done everything possible to torpedo every agreement and Alliance we had.

Most people here are not against our international obligations and interests and stuff. But the ones who are, vote, and are strategically located. And as long as there is such apathy, we are unreliable. I expect that mulitnationals are going to eventually align with the Democrats politically, but big business has financed a lot of infrastructure for the Republicans. Of course there are plenty of domestic company types backing the nativists. Even the next generation Koch guy seems pretty ambivalent about the GOP though.

But our nativists are far better at gaming our political system. And as long as they remain a potent political power, we are inherently unreliable, imo.


We have never had allies... only leaches.   Allies are equals and work for the benefit of each other.. whereas our Allies have always used us as a milk cow.
 
2020-05-29 4:07:02 PM  

Moopy Mac: ChiliBoots: No matter what we do, China is going to biatch about it. We're probably better working diplomatically with African and Caribbean and TPP countries for their economic development while limiting China's belt and road program.

As I recall, Kenya already summoned the Chinese ambassador because China behaved so shiattily towards their citizens in China when the pandemic broke out, so the political animosity towards China is already simmering.

Imagine how handy the TPP would be right now. Leveraging the economic and political power of nearly every Pacific Rim country (except China).


I would argue that if the US was still in it with its draconian demands we would be worse off
 
2020-05-29 4:10:12 PM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: lolmao500: Huawei shouldnt be a thing anywhere in the western world.

Why not?  It's just all the Nortel technology that China stole...


I get a kick out of that comment since it took me an extra 3 years to move to said building
 
2020-05-29 4:18:56 PM  

rikkards: RogueWallEnthusiast: lolmao500: Huawei shouldnt be a thing anywhere in the western world.

Why not?  It's just all the Nortel technology that China stole...

I get a kick out of that comment since it took me an extra 3 years to move to said building


Didn't the army find a ridiculous number of bugs in it?  I'm surprised they didn't just demo it.
 
2020-05-29 4:21:56 PM  
Dear China, South Park is not an instruction manual.

/its not a real country anyway
 
2020-05-29 4:26:39 PM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: rikkards: RogueWallEnthusiast: lolmao500: Huawei shouldnt be a thing anywhere in the western world.

Why not?  It's just all the Nortel technology that China stole...

I get a kick out of that comment since it took me an extra 3 years to move to said building

Didn't the army find a ridiculous number of bugs in it?  I'm surprised they didn't just demo it.


Money was spent, bugs were found, cabling replaced.
They did a lot. Originally the plan was land in the east end was slated to build the new campus but this came up at a steal.
 
2020-05-29 4:55:09 PM  

towatchoverme: Subtonic: Canada. Is. Not. Real.

You misspelled "Norwmay," eh.


FTFY
 
2020-05-29 6:51:46 PM  
From today's Globe and Mail

The China-Canada 'relationship' is not worth saving

Even before Wednesday's British Columbia Supreme Court ruling in the extradition case of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, the government of China was warning of the effect an adverse decision for Ms. Meng would have on relations with Canada. A spokesman for China's foreign ministry demanded her immediate release, to avoid "continuous harm to China-Canada relations." The rhetoric only escalated afterward.

Strangely, the same anxiety over the state of the relationship could be heard expressed in this country. Relations between the two countries "hang in the balance," fretted one headline the day before. Another warned a decision allowing the extradition process to continue could "rattle" the relationship. "Our dismal relationship with China just got a whole lot worse," complained a third, after the event.

This seems odd, not to say out of date. There isn't any relationship to hang, rattle, or worsen. We may have relations, in the formal diplomatic sense of the word. But a relationship - a broader set of undertakings, based on shared values or at least common interests? There is not one now and has not been for some time, even if some in Ottawa seem slow to realize it. What is more, there cannot be.

We cannot have a relationship, in any meaningful sense of the word, with a country that kidnaps our people to enforce its demands, not least when those demands entail interfering in a judicial process and abrogating our treaty obligations. That is not how relationships work. Those, including Jean Chrétien's former chief of staff Eddie Goldenberg, pushing for Canada to surrender Ms. Meng to China, ostensibly in return for the release of "the two Michaels" - businessman Michael Spavor and diplomat Michael Kovrig - but really to maintain a profitable "relationship," are not only craven, but delusional.

Even if the government of Canada were to make such an offer - it remains an option for the Justice Minister to refuse to extradite her, should the courts rule that he may - there's no assurance China would take them up on it. Why would Beijing settle so cheaply, when we had so openly signalled our desperation? Why not retain them as bargaining chips, for precisely the purpose they have so successfully served to date: keeping our government on its back foot, perpetually wary of offending China by word or deed?

The "relationship," indeed, seems to consist entirely of China committing one offence after another against international law, human freedom, or common decency, while the government of Canada takes no action and issues only the most perfunctory statements in response. Did China deceive the world about the spread of the novel coronavirus for crucial weeks at the start of the pandemic? Hmmm. There are "real questions" about China's role, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau muses.

Is China preparing to trample on dissent in Hong Kong, installing the apparatus of its police state in flagrant defiance of the 1997 handover agreement with Britain? Now is the time, Mr. Trudeau advises, for China to engage in "constructive conversations" with the citizens of Hong Kong, to achieve a "de-escalation of tensions."
Should Canada follow the advice of intelligence experts and at long last join with its allies in blocking Huawei, whose role as an instrument of Chinese espionage is well-documented, from supplying equipment for its 5G wireless network? Gosh. Bear with me, the Prime Minister responds. "We have been taking advice from our security officials ... We are working closely with our allies and watching what they do ... ." As we have been doing for most of the past two years.

And so it goes. China may threaten Taiwan (it recently dropped the word "peacefully" from its perennial statement of annexationist ambition), suffocate Tibet, colonize much of the Third World via its Belt and Road initiative, herd its ethnic and religious minorities into "re-education camps," even intimidate protesters and activists in this country, and the response from the government of Canada is muffled coughs, at best. Don't want to harm the relationship, you see.
The effect of all this pussyfooting has not been to mollify the dictatorship but, in the way of all bullies, embolden it. Does that suggest the alternative, often heard, of "standing up" to China and "showing some backbone," would do much better? Probably not. The getting of wisdom entails, in part, a measure of resignation. We are probably not going to win the two Michaels' freedom any time soon, no matter what we do. Neither is there much we can do, on our own, to save Hong Kong, or to deter China's other outrages.

But we can at least try. We can at least speak up. In so doing, we can not only preserve our self-respect, but show the Chinese regime we will not be bullied into submission, or implicated by our silence. Maybe we cannot persuade China to give way to us, but we can at least cause them to doubt whether we will give way to them.
And there is much we can do, alone and with our allies. China's growing belligerence, coupled with its role in the coronavirus disaster, has tilted the balance of sentiment against it internationally: Countries are increasing calculating that they have less to lose by defying China than by submitting to it. There's opportunity in this for Canada. We can support - not just go along with, but actively support - an international investigation into China's responsibility for the pandemic. We can help to organize international opposition to the boot-heeling of Hong Kong, supporting the democratic resistance and offering asylum to its leaders.

We can institute Magnitsky sanctions against China's kleptocratic leaders, as former Liberal cabinet minister Irwin Cotler has urged, and take specific instances of its lawlessness to the appropriate international bodies. We can reach out to China's rivals in the Indo-Pacific, notably India, Japan and South Korea, and back this up with real engagement: diplomatic, commercial, even military. We can withdraw, as the Conservatives have demanded, from the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

Last, and boldest, we can recognize Taiwan's independence, de facto or de jure, and support its inclusion in world councils. Nothing would more clearly signal to Xi Jinping's regime that the world has had enough than an end to international obeisance to the One China dogma.

We are in a moment of great danger - the regime is wounded, weakened, and lashing out - but also of great possibility. Would actions of this kind harm the relationship? What relationship?
 
d3
2020-05-29 9:31:57 PM  
I was once given forged PCI compliance certificates for Huawei routers in an effort to get my security approval for including them in a deal with a major retailer.  It a company I want to do business with.
 
d3
2020-05-29 9:32:57 PM  

d3: I was once given forged PCI compliance certificates for Huawei routers in an effort to get my security approval for including them in a deal with a major retailer.  It a company I want to do business with.


Damn autocorrect. NOT a company I want to do business with.
 
2020-05-29 10:34:44 PM  

rikkards: Moopy Mac: ChiliBoots: No matter what we do, China is going to biatch about it. We're probably better working diplomatically with African and Caribbean and TPP countries for their economic development while limiting China's belt and road program.

As I recall, Kenya already summoned the Chinese ambassador because China behaved so shiattily towards their citizens in China when the pandemic broke out, so the political animosity towards China is already simmering.

Imagine how handy the TPP would be right now. Leveraging the economic and political power of nearly every Pacific Rim country (except China).

I would argue that if the US was still in it with its draconian demands we would be worse off


I would argue we wouldn't. How would it make us worse off?
 
2020-05-30 5:57:57 AM  

Moopy Mac: rikkards: Moopy Mac: ChiliBoots: No matter what we do, China is going to biatch about it. We're probably better working diplomatically with African and Caribbean and TPP countries for their economic development while limiting China's belt and road program.

As I recall, Kenya already summoned the Chinese ambassador because China behaved so shiattily towards their citizens in China when the pandemic broke out, so the political animosity towards China is already simmering.

Imagine how handy the TPP would be right now. Leveraging the economic and political power of nearly every Pacific Rim country (except China).

I would argue that if the US was still in it with its draconian demands we would be worse off

I would argue we wouldn't. How would it make us worse off?


When I say us I am not talking US,I am talking current members.
Sorry for the confusion
 
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