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2020-05-29 12:35:22 PM  
Yeah but did you see how awesomely they're handling the pandemic? So...
 
2020-05-29 12:44:30 PM  

SoupGuru: Yeah but did you see how awesomely they're handling the pandemic? So...


Yeah!  We should replicate it here in America! 

:P
 
2020-05-29 1:13:29 PM  
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2020-05-29 1:17:59 PM  
They're not Swedish, Mac. They're Norwegian
 
2020-05-29 1:18:35 PM  
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër?
 
2020-05-29 1:21:45 PM  
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2020-05-29 1:22:12 PM  
That's the way to do it, uh-huh, uh-huh.

I think California and Canada should do this (eventually). It might alarm and outrage some Americans, but the two CAs are already postal confusibles any way. And together we can shape progressive environmental, work and social policies like we do in the automobile industry. It should be possible to break the Texas school textbook conspiracy also with cunning and determination.
 
2020-05-29 1:23:01 PM  
What about ABBA and the Bikini Team?  Are they ok?
 
2020-05-29 1:23:59 PM  
Another potent threat to Trumpdom:  re-opening the Caribbean, including Cuba and Trinidad & Tobago. Small islands that responded quickly are doing great without Trump. Even Puerto Rico and Guam.
 
2020-05-29 1:25:08 PM  

lectos: What about ABBA and the Bikini Team?  Are they ok?


If they do a concert, they have to quarantine for two weeks. Fair is fair, otherwise music is pretty free when it is virtual or broadcast.
 
2020-05-29 1:28:42 PM  
This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would.  He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April.  The serology results said 7.3%.  He then said 50% by the end of May.  He walked that back a few days ago.

NYC has had a higher percentage infected than Sweden at 25%.  London is probably at 17%.  It takes a long time to get there.  It turns out that the most effective way of getting everyone to herd is to just let it run like wildfire and kill a bunch of people before you even know it's there.  This will not be over for some time.

So the other Nordic countries are going to do things their way and letting Sweden in the club messes up their way.  Anders is fine to do things in Sweden his way, but so far his predictions haven't come true.  I don't put much faith in any predictions he makes.
 
2020-05-29 1:29:47 PM  

xanadian: Yeah! We should replicate it here in America!


We have a ways to go.

Sweden
420 deaths per million residents

USA
312 deaths per million residents
 
2020-05-29 1:31:43 PM  

jaytkay: xanadian: Yeah! We should replicate it here in America!

We have a ways to go.

Sweden
420 deaths per million residents

USA
312 deaths per million residents


Hey, but compared to Norway, their economy is doing great! Only 9% unemployment instead of 10%! And at the low, low cost of 4000 dead people!
 
2020-05-29 1:35:33 PM  
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2020-05-29 1:37:46 PM  

Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would.  He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April.  The serology results said 7.3%.  He then said 50% by the end of May.  He walked that back a few days ago.

NYC has had a higher percentage infected than Sweden at 25%.  London is probably at 17%.  It takes a long time to get there.  It turns out that the most effective way of getting everyone to herd is to just let it run like wildfire and kill a bunch of people before you even know it's there.  This will not be over for some time.

So the other Nordic countries are going to do things their way and letting Sweden in the club messes up their way.  Anders is fine to do things in Sweden his way, but so far his predictions haven't come true.  I don't put much faith in any predictions he makes.


Aiming for "herd immunity" is farking stupid.  Doing it in the US would mean up to 3.3 million dead (assuming a 100% infection rate and a 1% death rate).  Even if it's not quite that bad, it would probably mean between a half million to a million dead, five to ten times the current number.
 
2020-05-29 1:38:48 PM  

brantgoose: lectos: What about ABBA and the Bikini Team?  Are they ok?

If they do a concert, they have to quarantine for two weeks. Fair is fair, otherwise music is pretty free when it is virtual or broadcast.


Sign me up for a bikini team concert
 
2020-05-29 1:46:59 PM  
That site brought up a warning from my virus software.
 
2020-05-29 1:53:03 PM  

Geotpf: Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would.  He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April.  The serology results said 7.3%.  He then said 50% by the end of May.  He walked that back a few days ago.

NYC has had a higher percentage infected than Sweden at 25%.  London is probably at 17%.  It takes a long time to get there.  It turns out that the most effective way of getting everyone to herd is to just let it run like wildfire and kill a bunch of people before you even know it's there.  This will not be over for some time.

So the other Nordic countries are going to do things their way and letting Sweden in the club messes up their way.  Anders is fine to do things in Sweden his way, but so far his predictions haven't come true.  I don't put much faith in any predictions he makes.

Aiming for "herd immunity" is farking stupid.  Doing it in the US would mean up to 3.3 million dead (assuming a 100% infection rate and a 1% death rate).  Even if it's not quite that bad, it would probably mean between a half million to a million dead, five to ten times the current number.


And the dumb part is that SK is down to 58 new cases today and Japan is down to 36 new cases today and their economies are "open", but freaking Arkansas has 261 new cases and Alabama has 464.  To put that in perspective.  Greater Tokyo has 38 million people.  Arkansas only as 3 million.  This can be done.  We can have a functioning economy through mask wearing, contact tracing, and isolating the sick.  That way we can get to herd immunity the way that works - a vaccine.

Well, I mean, we could. We won't because in America wearing a mask is not showing consideration for others.  Wearing a mask is inconvenient and we've conflated convenience with freedom.  We also don't contact trace enough because it's hard.  And we don't isolate the sick because we have to work or else we starve so symptomatic hair dressers in Missouri have to come into work.
 
2020-05-29 1:53:07 PM  

Odin's Other Eye: jaytkay: xanadian: Yeah! We should replicate it here in America!

We have a ways to go.

Sweden
420 deaths per million residents

USA
312 deaths per million residents

Hey, but compared to Norway, their economy is doing great! Only 9% unemployment instead of 10%! And at the low, low cost of 4000 dead people!


They died because they didn't take precautions against getting sick. Children might need someone to tell them what to do, but adults should be responsible for themselves.
 
2020-05-29 1:54:48 PM  

brantgoose: Another potent threat to Trumpdom:  re-opening the Caribbean, including Cuba and Trinidad & Tobago. Small islands that responded quickly are doing great without Trump. Even Puerto Rico and Guam.


Last I checked, Guam wasn't in the Caribbean.
 
2020-05-29 1:55:34 PM  

yakmans_dad: That site brought up a warning from my virus software.


ditto
 
2020-05-29 2:11:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would. He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April. The serology results said 7.3%. He then said 50% by the end of May. He walked that back a few days ago.


It's almost like their state epidemiologist disagreeing with most of the world's infectious disease specialists has had consequences. He still thinks he's right, and surprisingly the Swedish government is still listening to him.
 
rka
2020-05-29 2:17:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Geotpf: Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would.  He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April.  The serology results said 7.3%.  He then said 50% by the end of May.  He walked that back a few days ago.

NYC has had a higher percentage infected than Sweden at 25%.  London is probably at 17%.  It takes a long time to get there.  It turns out that the most effective way of getting everyone to herd is to just let it run like wildfire and kill a bunch of people before you even know it's there.  This will not be over for some time.

So the other Nordic countries are going to do things their way and letting Sweden in the club messes up their way.  Anders is fine to do things in Sweden his way, but so far his predictions haven't come true.  I don't put much faith in any predictions he makes.

Aiming for "herd immunity" is farking stupid.  Doing it in the US would mean up to 3.3 million dead (assuming a 100% infection rate and a 1% death rate).  Even if it's not quite that bad, it would probably mean between a half million to a million dead, five to ten times the current number.

And the dumb part is that SK is down to 58 new cases today and Japan is down to 36 new cases today and their economies are "open", but freaking Arkansas has 261 new cases and Alabama has 464.  To put that in perspective.  Greater Tokyo has 38 million people.  Arkansas only as 3 million.  This can be done.  We can have a functioning economy through mask wearing, contact tracing, and isolating the sick.  That way we can get to herd immunity the way that works - a vaccine.

Well, I mean, we could. We won't because in America wearing a mask is not showing consideration for others.  Wearing a mask is inconvenient and we've conflated convenience with freedom.  We also don't contact trace enough because it's hard.  And we don't isolate the sick because we have to work or else we starve so symptomatic hair dressers in Missou ...


And NY and NJ combined for over 2000 cases yesterday.

Why the focus on Arkansas? A state with one of the lower infection rates per million people and deaths per million?

If Arkansas is doing bad, I'd hate to shine the light on whatever the hell happened on the East Coast corridor between Massachusetts and NY. They must have ROYALLY farked up.
 
2020-05-29 2:19:23 PM  

patrick767: Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would. He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April. The serology results said 7.3%. He then said 50% by the end of May. He walked that back a few days ago.

It's almost like their state epidemiologist disagreeing with most of the world's infectious disease specialists has had consequences. He still thinks he's right, and surprisingly the Swedish government is still listening to him.


He committed himself to an idea and the Swedish government committed themselves to him, and decision makes are very reluctant to admit they may not have made the best decision.  At least they have the resources to deal with much of the fallout.  I'm curious to see what serology tests will look like in Brazil in a few months.  They truly might get to 50ish% because they have no real way to slow it.
 
2020-05-29 2:24:14 PM  
anyone stop the coronalarmist ranting for a minute and notice that finland wasn't in there either?
 
2020-05-29 2:26:01 PM  
That's going to be a long swim around Sweden...
 
2020-05-29 2:26:37 PM  
Not the only problem Sweden has.  Closing the borders to keep the grenade gangs out probably isn't a bad idea either.
 
2020-05-29 2:28:10 PM  

rka: And NY and NJ combined for over 2000 cases yesterday.

Why the focus on Arkansas? A state with one of the lower infection rates per million people and deaths per million?

If Arkansas is doing bad, I'd hate to shine the light on whatever the hell happened on the East Coast corridor between Massachusetts and NY. They must have ROYALLY farked up.


It was used to illustrate a population juxtaposition.  A low population state like Arkansas was much more valuable in illustrating a difference between a massively populated nation like Japan as a per-capita rate.  I didn't even get into population density.  Nobody is beating up on Arkansas.  I could have used the whole US, but the juxtaposition is more jarring when viewed this way.  It illustrates how far we have to go.

Although if you'd like to compare how states are "doing" as if this is a state to state contest, the population of NY and NJ combined is 28 million.  With 2000 infections that's a rate of .007%.   With 3 million residents and 262 infections, that's a rate of 0087%.  Do you feel better or worse about that?  Is your team winning?
 
2020-05-29 2:31:04 PM  

nanim: That's going to be a long swim around Sweden...


of course you can wade from norway to denmark.....

and germany.

and iceland.
 
rka
2020-05-29 2:33:04 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It illustrates how far we have to go.


I would say looking at our most locked down states and areas (EastCoast/CA) and seeing how many infections they are *still* experiencing illustrates that far far better.

Rapmaster2000: Is your team winning?


My team doesn't have almost 40,000 dead while trying to make a point at the expense of others.
 
2020-05-29 2:35:02 PM  

rka: Rapmaster2000: It illustrates how far we have to go.

I would say looking at our most locked down states and areas (EastCoast/CA) and seeing how many infections they are *still* experiencing illustrates that far far better.

Rapmaster2000: Is your team winning?

My team doesn't have almost 40,000 dead while trying to make a point at the expense of others.


OK, fine.  Replace all of Arkansas with New York City.  New York City sucks and so does Andrew Cuomoa.

Do you feel more or less likely to contract a disease now?  Do you feel more or less likely that the economy of the United States will be impacted for a period of time until the rate of transmission of coronavirus is under control?
 
2020-05-29 2:45:56 PM  

flart blooger: anyone stop the coronalarmist ranting for a minute and notice that finland wasn't in there either?


Oh thank god.  I've been waiting for some clue whether you were a troll or just an idiot.  Now I can finally be done with you.
 
2020-05-29 2:47:55 PM  

rka: If Arkansas is doing bad, I'd hate to shine the light on whatever the hell happened on the East Coast corridor between Massachusetts and NY. They must have ROYALLY farked up.


I suspect that they had a much more wide-spread base than even Washington State. IIRC, the East Coast variant came from Europe at a time when the most probable vector was China.
 
2020-05-29 2:49:42 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: flart blooger: anyone stop the coronalarmist ranting for a minute and notice that finland wasn't in there either?

Oh thank god.  I've been waiting for some clue whether you were a troll or just an idiot.  Now I can finally be done with you.


so special.

finland is not in talks. finland("lower death rate" copyright2020)is next to sweden ("higher death rate" copyright2020). contiguous land mass to norway.


but not important to the CORONALARM!!!!!
 
2020-05-29 3:46:29 PM  

OldJames: Odin's Other Eye: jaytkay: xanadian: Yeah! We should replicate it here in America!

We have a ways to go.

Sweden
420 deaths per million residents

USA
312 deaths per million residents

Hey, but compared to Norway, their economy is doing great! Only 9% unemployment instead of 10%! And at the low, low cost of 4000 dead people!

They died because they didn't take precautions against getting sick. Children might need someone to tell them what to do, but adults should be responsible for themselves.


They died because their government decided to take a risky strategy to get herd immunity that has failed miserably. We are appalled at what has happened right over the border. Here we shut down fast, and we're reopening. They are still in the middle of it. 

You... nevermind. I have no words.
 
2020-05-29 4:36:47 PM  
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2020-05-29 5:26:57 PM  

rka: And NY and NJ combined for over 2000 cases yesterday.

Why the focus on Arkansas? A state with one of the lower infection rates per million people and deaths per million?


2,000 in NY & NJ is 70 per million population.

Arkansas had 261 yesterday.
86 per million population
 
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2020-05-29 6:11:41 PM  

cyberspacedout: brantgoose: Another potent threat to Trumpdom:  re-opening the Caribbean, including Cuba and Trinidad & Tobago. Small islands that responded quickly are doing great without Trump. Even Puerto Rico and Guam.

Last I checked, Guam wasn't in the Caribbean.


It was, back when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2020-05-29 6:41:28 PM  

Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would.  He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April.  The serology results said 7.3%.  He then said 50% by the end of May.  He walked that back a few days ago.

NYC has had a higher percentage infected than Sweden at 25%.  London is probably at 17%.  It takes a long time to get there.  It turns out that the most effective way of getting everyone to herd is to just let it run like wildfire and kill a bunch of people before you even know it's there.  This will not be over for some time.

So the other Nordic countries are going to do things their way and letting Sweden in the club messes up their way.  Anders is fine to do things in Sweden his way, but so far his predictions haven't come true.  I don't put much faith in any predictions he makes.


If Denmark/Norway advices not to stick matchsticks in your penis, Sweden will do the opposite.

The countries that had the most wars ever, yeah, you know the answer.

Now we have decided to just play football and be childish.
 
2020-05-29 6:43:28 PM  

Odin's Other Eye: jaytkay: xanadian: Yeah! We should replicate it here in America!

We have a ways to go.

Sweden
420 deaths per million residents

USA
312 deaths per million residents

Hey, but compared to Norway, their economy is doing great! Only 9% unemployment instead of 10%! And at the low, low cost of 4000 dead people!


Norway is rich as fark. They literally saved all the oil money from day 1.
 
2020-05-29 6:50:31 PM  

flart blooger: anyone stop the coronalarmist ranting for a minute and notice that finland wasn't in there either?


Finland isn't, from a Danish view, considered to border Denmark.

It's a Danish article.

Maybe the Norwegian link to the same story would bring it up. Doubt it.
 
2020-05-29 6:58:48 PM  

Geotpf: Rapmaster2000: This is because "herd immunity" didn't come nearly as fast as Anders said it would.  He said 50% of Stockholmers would have antibodies by the end of April.  The serology results said 7.3%.  He then said 50% by the end of May.  He walked that back a few days ago.

NYC has had a higher percentage infected than Sweden at 25%.  London is probably at 17%.  It takes a long time to get there.  It turns out that the most effective way of getting everyone to herd is to just let it run like wildfire and kill a bunch of people before you even know it's there.  This will not be over for some time.

So the other Nordic countries are going to do things their way and letting Sweden in the club messes up their way.  Anders is fine to do things in Sweden his way, but so far his predictions haven't come true.  I don't put much faith in any predictions he makes.

Aiming for "herd immunity" is farking stupid.  Doing it in the US would mean up to 3.3 million dead (assuming a 100% infection rate and a 1% death rate).  Even if it's not quite that bad, it would probably mean between a half million to a million dead, five to ten times the current number.


Given the more accurate death rates it would be about 12 million on the first go-around. Two whole Holocaust's worth of death for an immunity that might not be real and if real might only be short term
 
2020-05-29 7:06:14 PM  

Froman: It was, back when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?
 
2020-05-29 8:35:46 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: flart blooger: anyone stop the coronalarmist ranting for a minute and notice that finland wasn't in there either?

Finland isn't, from a Danish view, considered to border Denmark.

It's a Danish article.

Maybe the Norwegian link to the same story would bring it up. Doubt it.


yes, but gosh darnit. sweden is like trump now to you coronalarmists....so science.
 
2020-05-29 10:32:32 PM  
This is probably 5% due to COVID-19 and 95% due to Danes not wanting a bunch of drunk Swedes stumbling around Helsingøre.
 
2020-05-30 3:00:25 AM  
Tourists from Iceland to Denmark?
Hey, let's take a layer off!
 
2020-05-30 6:08:46 AM  

flart blooger: Ketchuponsteak: flart blooger: anyone stop the coronalarmist ranting for a minute and notice that finland wasn't in there either?

Finland isn't, from a Danish view, considered to border Denmark.

It's a Danish article.

Maybe the Norwegian link to the same story would bring it up. Doubt it.

yes, but gosh darnit. sweden is like trump now to you coronalarmists....so science.


The Swedes are the ones dying, whilst Denmark more or less have stopped the virus.

No, I would not be surprised if there is a flare up. Letting in the Swedes, could cause that.

But, stretching out the problem is a plan, as we must assume a vaccine is comming at some point.
 
2020-05-30 6:14:29 AM  

morg: Tourists from Iceland to Denmark?
Hey, let's take a layer off!


There is tons of Icelandics in Denmark, its a former Danish colony after all. (The asshole UK let them declare independence during WW2).

I could imagine people visit each other.
 
2020-05-30 8:31:09 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: morg: Tourists from Iceland to Denmark?
Hey, let's take a layer off!

There is tons of Icelandics in Denmark, its a former Danish colony after all. (The asshole UK let them declare independence during WW2).

I could imagine people visit each other.


I forgot that. Still a little like people from one Viriginia visiting the other: "See, son, the lakes here start on the right and go left. Ours go the other way."
 
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