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(AlterNet)   Leave it to Trump to spark a Constitutional crisis that will gut the US and make it a failed state   (alternet.org) divider line
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2020-05-29 8:46:56 AM  
Well, how else does he distract from 100,000 dead Americans?
 
2020-05-29 8:47:52 AM  
If Trump can't be Predisent for Life, he's gonna take the whole country down with him.

And all the shiatheel Rs in Congress support him, except for a somewhat concerned Susan Collins.
 
2020-05-29 8:49:19 AM  
*A* Constitutional Crisis?
 
2020-05-29 8:51:12 AM  
The GOP is quite open about wanting to force a Constitutional Congress for years now. They almost have enough judges to git 'er dun.
 
2020-05-29 8:59:52 AM  
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2020-05-29 9:01:12 AM  
He said he was gonna.
 
2020-05-29 9:10:30 AM  
Again?
 
2020-05-29 9:12:11 AM  
It's a sign of how remarkable today has been that my first reaction to the headline was "which one?"
 
2020-05-29 9:12:32 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, how else does he distract from 100,000 dead Americans?


Fanning the flames of racial tension and encouraging the murder of US citizens by the hands of the army?
 
2020-05-29 9:14:15 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, how else does he distract from 100,000 dead Americans?


And yet, he doesn't really have to.  Americans have become so ambivalent to death that it hardly matters much.  If all the quarantine measures were lifted in this country TODAY, most Americans would just shrug their shoulders at the loss of life and say, "oh well, what can you do?"
 
2020-05-29 9:17:16 AM  
Mission accomplished.
The U.S. already IS a failed state.
We are a shiathole country full of idiotic racists, robber barons, oligarchs and powerful criminals.
 
2020-05-29 9:18:15 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, how else does he distract from 100,000 dead Americans?


True. With everything else that exploded left and right in the last 48 hours, I kinda forgot all about that pesky virus and its high death toll and president moosefarker's incompetence.
 
2020-05-29 9:18:18 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: If Trump can't be Predisent for Life, he's gonna take the whole country down with him.

And all the shiatheel Rs in Congress support him, except for a somewhat concerned Susan Collins.


Bullsh*t.

Collins will still support him.
 
2020-05-29 9:18:37 AM  
Trump is the symptom not the disease. He's the cancerous lump that forms after cancer has attacked the body for so long it destroys the bodies function.

You didn't go deep enough article writer, you didn't point out the machinations that enabled him. The radicalization that emboldened him and in turn emboldens them. And has created civil unrest.

You didn't point out the dystopian conditions that 50 years of wealth transfer have created. The trampling of civil rights via technological expansion. That stoke the fires of -isms in America. Because let's face it America is a two pack a day smoker swimming in it's own sewage as a matter of principle in the twilight of it's years waiting for a rebirth to do it all over only better or the death stroke that it deserves.
 
2020-05-29 9:18:46 AM  
What are the criteria for failed state? From Wiki, here they are and I think we're really close

... a failed state as having the following characteristics: Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein. Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions. Inability to provide public services ...

Really, really close
 
2020-05-29 9:20:02 AM  
Written in 2006. Try to keep up.
 
2020-05-29 9:20:22 AM  

snocone: The GOP is quite open about wanting to force a Constitutional Congress for years now. They almost have enough judges to git 'er dun.


If K street, Opus Dei and The Federalist Society get to rewrite the constitution - their clear goal - we can expect a return to only landowning whites having the vote.
 
2020-05-29 9:21:15 AM  
So is half the country going to burn this weekend?
 
2020-05-29 9:21:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: [Fark user image 425x229]


That's not fair to Nixon.

/Dear God, I'm white-knighting Richard farking Nixon.
 
2020-05-29 9:23:25 AM  

eiger: Jake Havechek: [Fark user image 425x229]

That's not fair to Nixon.

/Dear God, I'm white-knighting Richard farking Nixon.


At least he did some good things, like EPA.
 
2020-05-29 9:25:22 AM  
Trump only has power because Republicans have eagerly given him power and are actively shielding him from the consequences of his many crimes and blunders. Republicans are the problem.
 
2020-05-29 9:25:37 AM  
We expected nothing less.
 
2020-05-29 9:26:12 AM  
LOL Wut?

FTFA:

"Since his acquittal by the Senate, Trump has upped the constitutional ante, defying congressional subpoenas,"

When the Legislative branch and the Executive branch disagree, the Judicial branch is the referee. In the case of the subpoenas mentioned, Trump said, "Take it to the courts," and the Judicial branch representatives decided not to. That was the Constitution being utilized exactly as written for the reasons included.


"firing inspectors general from several executive-branch departments,"

Not unusual at all, and I provided examples from the previous administration doing the same and was excused by a lazy basement dweller who thought he was being clever of "whataboutism."


"arguing before the Supreme Court that he enjoys "absolute immunity" from state criminal investigations,"

When they involve a private individual's tax returns? Yeah, and he should. And if you can't understand why, you're an idiot.

"and stacking the federal judiciary with right-wing ideologues."

Well, thank god for that. Just trying to reset the balance and get back to some kind of constitutionally-led judiciary.

"Assisted by Attorney General William Barr, who has transformed the Justice Department into a partisan enterprise,"

The basement dweller would accuse me of "whataboutism" is I pointed out the self-proclaimed, "Obama's wing man" AG from the previous administration who was found in contempt of Congress. But apparently the Left has collective amnesia. Perhaps they all have impacted bowels from "fear of whataboutism" causing them to be blind to any historical information beyond yesterday's HuffPost headlines.
 
2020-05-29 9:27:16 AM  

odinsposse: Trump only has power because Republicans have eagerly given him power and are actively shielding him from the consequences of his many crimes and blunders. Republicans are the problem.


This.
 
2020-05-29 9:27:45 AM  

Glitchwerks: So is half the country going to burn this weekend?


It never gets that far that fast.  It's always in small little increments towards the inevitable goal.

The goal this time around is to remove the 2020 election from being decided by voters or the Electoral College.
 
2020-05-29 9:27:46 AM  
I'm 90% sure you're at failed state already
 
2020-05-29 9:29:14 AM  

Magruda: eiger: Jake Havechek: [Fark user image 425x229]

That's not fair to Nixon.

/Dear God, I'm white-knighting Richard farking Nixon.

At least he did some good things, like EPA.


Nixon was an evil shiat. However, he wasn't a complete idiot and was a real politician. This means that he did things that would gain him political support, even from people not in his base, hence the EPA and other fairly "liberal" policies. He also accepted (despite all his abuses) the fundamental public norms of our government. So, when ordered to turn over the tapes, he turned them over.

So, yeah, I guess I'm defending farking Nixon here.
 
2020-05-29 9:30:08 AM  

Magruda: Written in 2006. Try to keep up.


Commie sympathizer! How dare you mention that slanderous no-goodnik! Who cares if he's been right about everything since the 1960s!?
 
2020-05-29 9:30:30 AM  
It doesnt have to be, its just a question of if he's allowed to do it, and by whom
 
2020-05-29 9:30:33 AM  

fernt: LOL Wut?

FTFA:

"Since his acquittal by the Senate, Trump has upped the constitutional ante, defying congressional subpoenas,"

When the Legislative branch and the Executive branch disagree, the Judicial branch is the referee. In the case of the subpoenas mentioned, Trump said, "Take it to the courts," and the Judicial branch representatives decided not to. That was the Constitution being utilized exactly as written for the reasons included.


"firing inspectors general from several executive-branch departments,"

Not unusual at all, and I provided examples from the previous administration doing the same and was excused by a lazy basement dweller who thought he was being clever of "whataboutism."


"arguing before the Supreme Court that he enjoys "absolute immunity" from state criminal investigations,"

When they involve a private individual's tax returns? Yeah, and he should. And if you can't understand why, you're an idiot.

"and stacking the federal judiciary with right-wing ideologues."

Well, thank god for that. Just trying to reset the balance and get back to some kind of constitutionally-led judiciary.

"Assisted by Attorney General William Barr, who has transformed the Justice Department into a partisan enterprise,"

The basement dweller would accuse me of "whataboutism" is I pointed out the self-proclaimed, "Obama's wing man" AG from the previous administration who was found in contempt of Congress. But apparently the Left has collective amnesia. Perhaps they all have impacted bowels from "fear of whataboutism" causing them to be blind to any historical information beyond yesterday's HuffPost headlines.


media.tenor.com
 
2020-05-29 9:31:39 AM  
This could have been diffused day 1 with competent leadership and holding 4 murderers accountable. Instead people are getting escalation, confusion, and malice from the President and white supremacists with bages. Never expected a US revolution would start in Minnesota of all places, but it's starting to look like that may have been the fuse.

I think Trump is realizing he won't be around for another 4 years and is trying to do as much damage as possible on his way out, just adding gasoline to the fire.
 
2020-05-29 9:31:56 AM  

odinsposse: Trump only has power because Republicans have eagerly given him power and are actively shielding him from the consequences of his many crimes and blunders. Republicans are the problem.


Meanwhile the Dems have been complicity letting them get away with this shyte, If there was a true opposition party we wouldn't have 60% of the country sitting out the elections.
 
2020-05-29 9:32:38 AM  

Magruda: eiger: Jake Havechek: [Fark user image 425x229]

That's not fair to Nixon.

/Dear God, I'm white-knighting Richard farking Nixon.

At least he did some good things, like EPA.


He served his country in a time of war, something Trump avoided at all costs.

So, while Nixon was a treasonous POS, he was still a better American than DJT, admittedly that's a pretty low bar.
 
2020-05-29 9:33:13 AM  
It is not Trump, it is all those who empower him that are the problem that needs addressing.

/ yours truly
// captain Obvious
 
2020-05-29 9:34:13 AM  
adj_m:


Oh wait this a different constitutional crisis. We really are spoiled for choice.
 
2020-05-29 9:35:05 AM  
Failed state? Who cares.

Trumper evangelicals want the apocalypse.
 
2020-05-29 9:35:54 AM  

adj_m: This could have been diffused day 1 with competent leadership and holding 4 murderers accountable. Instead people are getting escalation, confusion, and malice from the President and white supremacists with bages. Never expected a US revolution would start in Minnesota of all places, but it's starting to look like that may have been the fuse.

I think Trump is realizing he won't be around for another 4 years and is trying to do as much damage as possible on his way out, just adding gasoline to the fire.


This is a man desperate to control the narrative. He's just willing to burn the thing down to do so. This is political strategy from a narcissist sociopath who thinks lives are pawns to be manipulated.
 
2020-05-29 9:38:55 AM  

adj_m: I think Trump is realizing he won't be around for another 4 years and is trying to do as much damage as possible on his way out, just adding gasoline to the fire.


He either retains power and the office or he leaves the country crippled broken and potentially unrecoverable.

Sowing discontent is the business model.
 
2020-05-29 9:40:12 AM  

pup.socket: It is not Trump, it is all those who empower him that are the problem that needs addressing.

/ yours truly
// captain Obvious


/// FTFFark
 
2020-05-29 9:40:55 AM  
The federal government isn't a state.. its a federal body that operates under the majority of states auspices and restricted by the constitution.  Over the years the federal government has taken more and more power unto itself, to the point where states are irrelevant sometimes.

And like other failed states the laws and courts have become so complex that a citizen many be breaking the law at any time and could be prosecuted by one court and ignored by another.  i.e. there is no more equal justice as cases are shopped from jurisdiction to jurisdiction searching for one that is favorable to themselves. (uneven application of the law).

Either the states step up and force the federal government back into its constitutionally restricted role, or we are going to fail... because the last 3 years has shown that congress and the courts have no interest in righting the ship.
 
2020-05-29 9:44:47 AM  
oh so edgy Fark: It'S aLrEaDy A fAiLeD sTatE. hErP!
 
2020-05-29 9:45:40 AM  

dwrash: The federal government isn't a state.. its a federal body that operates under the majority of states auspices and restricted by the constitution.  Over the years the federal government has taken more and more power unto itself, to the point where states are irrelevant sometimes.

And like other failed states the laws and courts have become so complex that a citizen many be breaking the law at any time and could be prosecuted by one court and ignored by another.  i.e. there is no more equal justice as cases are shopped from jurisdiction to jurisdiction searching for one that is favorable to themselves. (uneven application of the law).

Either the states step up and force the federal government back into its constitutionally restricted role, or we are going to fail... because the last 3 years has shown that congress and the courts have no interest in righting the ship.


For you.
 
2020-05-29 9:46:16 AM  

CthulhuCalling: oh so edgy Fark: It'S aLrEaDy A fAiLeD sTatE. hErP!


Its been teetering on the brink of failure since Vietnam... anyone that cannot see that has had their head in the sand.
 
2020-05-29 9:46:16 AM  

Kegluneq: fernt: LOL Wut?

FTFA:

"Since his acquittal by the Senate, Trump has upped the constitutional ante, defying congressional subpoenas,"

When the Legislative branch and the Executive branch disagree, the Judicial branch is the referee. In the case of the subpoenas mentioned, Trump said, "Take it to the courts," and the Judicial branch representatives decided not to. That was the Constitution being utilized exactly as written for the reasons included.


"firing inspectors general from several executive-branch departments,"

Not unusual at all, and I provided examples from the previous administration doing the same and was excused by a lazy basement dweller who thought he was being clever of "whataboutism."


"arguing before the Supreme Court that he enjoys "absolute immunity" from state criminal investigations,"

When they involve a private individual's tax returns? Yeah, and he should. And if you can't understand why, you're an idiot.

"and stacking the federal judiciary with right-wing ideologues."

Well, thank god for that. Just trying to reset the balance and get back to some kind of constitutionally-led judiciary.

"Assisted by Attorney General William Barr, who has transformed the Justice Department into a partisan enterprise,"

The basement dweller would accuse me of "whataboutism" is I pointed out the self-proclaimed, "Obama's wing man" AG from the previous administration who was found in contempt of Congress. But apparently the Left has collective amnesia. Perhaps they all have impacted bowels from "fear of whataboutism" causing them to be blind to any historical information beyond yesterday's HuffPost headlines.

[media.tenor.com image 130x90]


Another effective, enlightened, meaningless basement dweller post.
 
2020-05-29 9:46:44 AM  
But her emails?
 
2020-05-29 9:47:12 AM  
The US has been a failed state for quite a while, subby. Trump just made it more obvious.
 
2020-05-29 9:47:56 AM  

Magruda: dwrash: The federal government isn't a state.. its a federal body that operates under the majority of states auspices and restricted by the constitution.  Over the years the federal government has taken more and more power unto itself, to the point where states are irrelevant sometimes.

And like other failed states the laws and courts have become so complex that a citizen many be breaking the law at any time and could be prosecuted by one court and ignored by another.  i.e. there is no more equal justice as cases are shopped from jurisdiction to jurisdiction searching for one that is favorable to themselves. (uneven application of the law).

Either the states step up and force the federal government back into its constitutionally restricted role, or we are going to fail... because the last 3 years has shown that congress and the courts have no interest in righting the ship.

For you.


The author never seemed to consult the dictionary before writing his article.
 
2020-05-29 9:50:11 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: If Trump can't be Predisent for Life, he's gonna take the whole country down with him.

And all the shiatheel Rs in Congress support him, except for a somewhat concerned Susan Collins.


No, Susan Collins will talk a strong concern game, but when it comes to stopping it, fuhgeddaboudit. She'll put out just as hard as any manwhore in congress.
 
2020-05-29 9:51:03 AM  

Call the Guy: What are the criteria for failed state? From Wiki, here they are and I think we're really close

... a failed state as having the following characteristics: Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein. Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions. Inability to provide public services ...

Really, really close


And all those things are explicit goals of the Republican party. But we still let them exist, basically out of inertia and stagnation.
 
2020-05-29 9:51:57 AM  

Skarekrough: adj_m: I think Trump is realizing he won't be around for another 4 years and is trying to do as much damage as possible on his way out, just adding gasoline to the fire.

He either retains power and the office or he leaves the country crippled broken and potentially unrecoverable.

Sowing discontent is the business model.


Worst case scenario it will be both. He still has a disgustingly high level of cult-like support, and there is no doubt Republicans will commit electoral fraud to retain power.
 
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