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(Slate)   The Supreme Court has a chance to fix its qualified immunity ruling. That's the one that makes it impossible to sue cops for: stealing from you, shooting your kid and your dog, punching nuns, and burning orphanages   (slate.com) divider line
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2020-05-27 8:52:02 PM  
Newsflash: A court filled with fascists won't do that.
 
2020-05-27 8:55:28 PM  
Hell, my money is on the Court doing the opposite of "fixing its qualified immunity ruling", and instead give cops more protection at the expense of the rest of society.
 
2020-05-27 9:12:46 PM  
Cops stealing from you has not only been legalized, but they have to kick a percentage up the ladder.
 
2020-05-27 9:21:07 PM  
I have a chance to stop playing with myself. Check in tomorrow; keep your fingers crossed
 
2020-05-27 9:54:53 PM  
The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop.

Our legal system is a farking joke.  And not the funny kind.
 
2020-05-27 11:00:21 PM  
5-4
 
2020-05-27 11:40:09 PM  
Roberts, once in a while, decides to be on the right side of history so who knows.
 
2020-05-27 11:40:09 PM  
HaHaHa.  No
 
2020-05-27 11:45:06 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Newsflash: A court filled with fascists won't do that.


But... *inhales deep*... HERRRRRRR... *inhales deep* EEEEEEE MAAAAIIIILLLLLLS!!!!!

/was told in all apparent seriousness, on here, that october that "the courts don't matter."
 
2020-05-27 11:45:15 PM  
Happy 2020, everyone!

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/ year ain't over yet
 
2020-05-27 11:47:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Cops stealing from you has not only been legalized, but they have to kick a percentage up the ladder.


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2020-05-27 11:47:41 PM  
If it's up to the Roberts Court, then we're farked.
 
2020-05-27 11:48:27 PM  
I want so badly for this bullshiat to be fixed, but it only makes me despair even more because I cannot fathom the Court changing precedent for something like this.

I can totally picture it if overturning a previous ruling were to strip vulnerable demographics of their voting rights, but I just can't picture it when it would expose cops to be held accountable for their actions.
 
2020-05-27 11:48:49 PM  

Flappyhead: HaHaHa.  No


whither_apophis: 5-4


Pretty much yep.   It will be pretty much a 5-4 vote to go back to the days Boss Tweed could do pretty much what he wanted and the police chief would be as about as useful as that dumb Irish guy the worked for Commissioner Gordon.
 
2020-05-27 11:49:05 PM  
Tag is tragically accurate.
 
2020-05-27 11:50:16 PM  

aleister_greynight: Roberts, once in a while, decides to be on the right side of history so who knows.


He's also the asshole who said that racism was dead in America and gave the GOP free reign to institute minority voter suppression en masse.  I have absolutely zero faith that he will oppose cops murdering African Americans for the crime of not being white enough, nor do I expect Judge I Like Rape or Judge Die for your paymasters, you plebe to oppose the immunity clause.
 
2020-05-27 11:53:12 PM  
"...a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop."

I can't even come up with a comment.
 
2020-05-28 12:01:19 AM  

fusillade762: The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop.

Our legal system is a farking joke.  And not the funny kind.


Qualified Immunity just means that you have to prove the cops knew what they were doing was wrong/illegal at the time of the incident. I mean, what could be the hurdle with such an obviously easy to fulfill requirement?

What's that? The Supreme Court just denied cert this month for a case where cops stole $225K from suspects of a crime? Because there is no firmly established law that cops cannot rob you if they have a search warrant? Cool, cool.
 
2020-05-28 12:01:45 AM  
The police will wear riot gear 24/7 and have hidden identities. Anyone caught trying to "out" the police will be subject to a public (PPV) hanging.
 
2020-05-28 12:02:57 AM  
Subby, thanks for a very good article. +1
 
2020-05-28 12:04:16 AM  

AntiNerd: Flappyhead: HaHaHa.  No

whither_apophis: 5-4

Pretty much yep.   It will be pretty much a 5-4 vote to go back to the days Boss Tweed could do pretty much what he wanted and the police chief would be as about as useful as that dumb Irish guy the worked for Commissioner Gordon.


Did we ever really leave those days?
 
2020-05-28 12:04:25 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: "...a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop."

I can't even come up with a comment.


It's how qualified immunity works.  There must be a previous example of the abuse before the cops can be expected to know it was wrong.  Otherwise, they might not understand it was wrong.  So, as long as the incident differs in any way whatsoever from a previous case, the cop can't understand he was bad, and thus is immune.

Also, the new vogue is to issue a qualified immunity ruling without referencing the incident - that way there is no mention of the incident that would make the next repetition an abuse of power. So, the bops can feel free to exactly repeat what "worked" last time.
 
2020-05-28 12:05:38 AM  
I should have been a cop.  What other job lets you do pretty much whatever the f*ck you want without any consequences?
 
2020-05-28 12:06:40 AM  

Unknown Subject: I should have been a cop.  What other job lets you do pretty much whatever the f*ck you want without any consequences?


I have too many ethics to be a cop in the US.
 
2020-05-28 12:06:57 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Newsflash: A court filled with fascists won't do that.


I've spent too much time on Reddit recently. I reflexively thought you were lumping all 9 together as fascists.

Those people are insane.
 
2020-05-28 12:10:50 AM  
*screams externally*
 
2020-05-28 12:13:19 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: "...a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop."

I can't even come up with a comment.


They should throw their whole precedent in the trash based on the absurdity of that notion alone.
 
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2020-05-28 12:14:34 AM  
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2020-05-28 12:14:43 AM  

Unknown Subject: I should have been a cop.  What other job lets you do pretty much whatever the f*ck you want without any consequences?


President of the United States.
 
2020-05-28 12:19:59 AM  
I have a "black name" and I look Jewish.

Only a matter of time for me.

/ Also the public drunkenness BUT I DIGRESS!
 
2020-05-28 12:25:59 AM  
Of course this means my Sheriff department, if repealed, will have to go back to the old fashion ways of dealing heroin. Not that they don't now, but, this way they can't steal your stuff after dealing you the heroin.

/ Scott Jones is a punkass criminal.
 
2020-05-28 12:28:30 AM  
But they won't.

Prove me wrong SCOTUS.  Seriously, please prove me wrong.
 
2020-05-28 12:31:28 AM  
The day the USSC - no matter how many of the 14 judges are libby-libs - sides with little people over law enforcement I will eat a live bullfrog.

Screenshot this, cash it in.
 
2020-05-28 12:35:06 AM  

fusillade762: The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop.

Our legal system is a farking joke.  And not the funny kind.


Lesse here. I read in some obscure book somewhere whose name escapes me but it was something along the lines of "thou shalt not kill". I kinda guess though that still leaves it open season on athiests, buddhists, etc.
 
2020-05-28 12:39:00 AM  
I don't know how, but I have a feeling that they're going to make it much worse.
 
2020-05-28 12:58:04 AM  
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Why would we ever want to limit police....
 
2020-05-28 12:59:19 AM  
This is the real American Exceptionalism.
 
2020-05-28 1:05:55 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: "...a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop."

I can't even come up with a comment.


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2020-05-28 1:06:33 AM  

Skeleton Man: Unscratchable_Itch: "...a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop."

I can't even come up with a comment.

They should throw their whole precedent in the trash based on the absurdity of that notion alone.


We need to throw out the whole precedent that police will not be met with an equal level of violence.

The bystanders understood what was happening and should have attempted to physically intervene, even though they would have been overpowered they may have saved George Floyd's life.
 
2020-05-28 1:08:39 AM  

Unknown Subject: I should have been a cop.  What other job lets you do pretty much whatever the f*ck you want without any consequences?


Spoiled rotten, lazy, stupid, narcissistic, rapist, real estate mogul? POTUS?
 
2020-05-28 2:35:53 AM  
While we're waiting, Congress should try to fix the law. If the Supremes are misinterpreting the statute or finding things in it that aren't there, rewrite it so they don't have any leeway in which to do that.
 
2020-05-28 4:49:44 AM  

Skeleton Man: Unknown Subject: I should have been a cop.  What other job lets you do pretty much whatever the f*ck you want without any consequences?

President of the United States.


Ghost Nixon would like a word with you...
 
2020-05-28 5:05:11 AM  
Hey, if you can't shoot the dog then why bother being a cop?
 
2020-05-28 5:51:03 AM  
Take away a person's only legal way of obtaining justice, and assume that's the end of it.

See how well that works in Minnesota, for instance.
 
2020-05-28 6:34:08 AM  

phalamir: Unscratchable_Itch: "...a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no "clearly established" right not to be murdered in his home by a cop."

I can't even come up with a comment.

It's how qualified immunity works.  There must be a previous example of the abuse before the cops can be expected to know it was wrong.  Otherwise, they might not understand it was wrong.  So, as long as the incident differs in any way whatsoever from a previous case, the cop can't understand he was bad, and thus is immune.

Also, the new vogue is to issue a qualified immunity ruling without referencing the incident - that way there is no mention of the incident that would make the next repetition an abuse of power. So, the bops can feel free to exactly repeat what "worked" last time.


An "unpublished" appellate ruling also does the trick.
 
2020-05-28 7:56:55 AM  

shpritz: This is the real American Exceptionalism.


It's not that exceptional. It's pretty common in settler-colonial societies for those deemed "better" because of race, religion, or class, to use the police to keep the "worse" people in line. I think you'll find similar policing practices and patterns in Latin America.

Hell, to this day aboriginal people in Australia and First Nations people in Canada have reasons to fear cops.
 
2020-05-28 8:24:54 AM  
It won't problem is the liberal side of the court is desperately trying to keep the court from blowing everything up based on following precedent, so they won't want to change course for this topic or any other.
 
2020-05-28 9:13:55 AM  

AntiNerd: Flappyhead: HaHaHa.  No

whither_apophis: 5-4

Pretty much yep.   It will be pretty much a 5-4 vote to go back to the days Boss Tweed could do pretty much what he wanted and the police chief would be as about as useful as that dumb Irish guy the worked for Commissioner Gordon.


Justice Roberts:  "Here's the thing.  I don't give a tuppenny fark about your moral conundrum, you meatheaded shiatsacks.  That's pretty much the thing."
 
2020-05-28 9:32:17 AM  
This is further proof that the only use for cops is target practice.
 
2020-05-28 10:21:55 AM  
I remain perpetually surprised that an organization originally formed to hunt down escaped slaves has issues with violence against minorities, and that the governmental system populated largely fascists approves of the organization not being subject to rules or laws.

Why, if the slave hunters were bound by laws, they'd be a less effective at discouraging other human property from having ideas about rights and freedoms.
 
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