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(Reuters)   In a shocking turn of events, Biden receives the endorsement of the AFL-CIO   (reuters.com) divider line
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2020-05-26 9:55:50 PM  
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2020-05-27 12:09:26 AM  
BUT I WAS TOLD HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE!
 
2020-05-27 12:12:29 AM  
What is so shocking? The Republicans hate unions and want to crush them all. But somehow, people think the R's are on the side of the worker. Facepalm.
 
2020-05-27 12:16:43 AM  
Fake News. The American Football League never had a Chief Information Officer.
 
2020-05-27 12:16:54 AM  
I'm not really interested in sports right now, but thanks, Subby.
 
2020-05-27 12:17:32 AM  
100% rAtiNG doESn't meAN enDorSEmEnt!1!!
 
2020-05-27 12:21:06 AM  
"Trump's blue-collar support helped him secure narrow 2016 victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin - so-called Rust Belt states with declining industries."

How's that working out for them?
 
2020-05-27 12:21:54 AM  

Kazan: BUT I WAS TOLD HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE!


He's the same as Trump. On every issue. Oh, you mentioned an issue? Ok, he's one point in a hundred better on that issue. But not on any other issue. You mentioned 40 issues? Well, he didn't stop the Iraq war!.

Tada!
 
2020-05-27 12:27:59 AM  
Larry, meet Richard; Richard, Larry.
 
2020-05-27 12:37:17 AM  
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Didn't realize he was a CIO
 
2020-05-27 12:39:45 AM  

Kazan: BUT I WAS TOLD HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE!


Well, he is, but I have no idea why you think that's relevant to an AFL-CIO endorsement.
 
2020-05-27 12:45:32 AM  
But I was told that Democrats don't need to care about labor unions anymore since they've been voting Republican.
 
2020-05-27 12:45:54 AM  

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I can't find any indication that they have ever endorsed a Republican presidential candidate, so yeah "Well duh" seems rather appropriate.
 
2020-05-27 12:49:19 AM  
BUT I WAS TOLD SOCIALISM RAPED MY
DOG
 
2020-05-27 1:29:45 AM  
With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.
 
2020-05-27 2:03:35 AM  

Weatherkiss: But I was told that Democrats don't need to care about labor unions anymore since they've been voting Republican.


The Deep State union leadership endorses the hand that feeds, while your common rabble look out for themselves. The endorsement means very little in this day and age; unions simply aren't that powerful as a voting bloc any more
 
2020-05-27 2:25:39 AM  

misanthropicsob: With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.


And you think they would have endorsed a non-relevant party... why exactly?
 
2020-05-27 2:30:59 AM  
Absolutely no Republican has the best interest of labor unions at heart, little loan Trump.  The sad irony is that while there is no way in hell that the union could endorse any one other than Biden, the truth is that the core of the union membership is non college white dudes, and they will vote against their own self interest in droves and will be unable to understand why the leadership is going against them.
 
2020-05-27 2:43:03 AM  
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2020-05-27 3:09:22 AM  

Kazan: BUT I WAS TOLD HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE!


He is, but he's apparently convinced most of the vested interests that he's a Democrat above all else and that he'll do what the party platform and party leadership says he would do.  This is... not an easy sell for someone with Biden's record, though it's less of an uphill with labor than it is if he wanted to try to sell himself as an anti-war or anti-security-state type.

There is a reason why basically the entire Biden campaign post-primary has consisted of bringing members of the left-wing factions on board (having AOC and Bernie literally draft a large chunk of his administration's agenda to present to the convention, seeking this endorsement and pushing it in the news over any other endorsements he's gotten).  As an individual he represents the old, shiatty, pre-Obama establishment whose strategy was always to hold the vote in their districts by being juuuuuuuust less monstrous than the GOP by a margin that was barely wide enough to make the difference clear.

The primary itself, as well as just, y'know, obvious shiat like directly asking people with polls and interviews, has made it clear that (a) that's not going to cut it, and it it's Trump versus "still won't serve your interests in any way, but at least he's not Trump" will result in an unambiguous Trump victory and (b) basically no one in the party, including many of the people who voted for him in the primary and intend to in the general, trust him to actually act like an actual Democrat on his own.  And, like... why would they?  He has like four decades of voting history telling us his politics, he can't really fool us at this point.

His solution is basically to go with the George W Bush strategy: "sure, I suck, obviously I'm unfit for the office, but really when you think about it it's not about me, I'm just one part of a larger political party that you do legitimately have a voice in, and I'll be drawing on that to make my decisions.  Also, I'm pulling in a bunch of people from the Obama administration.  You remember them?  The one competent administration in the last three decades?  You trust them, right?  And look, I'm seeking endorsements and statements of approval from organizations that do represent your values, so even if I clearly don't share them I'm willing to bend.  Vote for me."

// I mean, W didn't really end well in the long run, but he did win an election where even most of the members of his own party thought he was farking rubbish, so the strategy clearly can work.
 
2020-05-27 5:57:03 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Kazan: BUT I WAS TOLD HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE!

He is, but he's apparently convinced most of the vested interests that he's a Democrat above all else and that he'll do what the party platform and party leadership says he would do.  This is... not an easy sell for someone with Biden's record, though it's less of an uphill with labor than it is if he wanted to try to sell himself as an anti-war or anti-security-state type.

There is a reason why basically the entire Biden campaign post-primary has consisted of bringing members of the left-wing factions on board (having AOC and Bernie literally draft a large chunk of his administration's agenda to present to the convention, seeking this endorsement and pushing it in the news over any other endorsements he's gotten).  As an individual he represents the old, shiatty, pre-Obama establishment whose strategy was always to hold the vote in their districts by being juuuuuuuust less monstrous than the GOP by a margin that was barely wide enough to make the difference clear.

The primary itself, as well as just, y'know, obvious shiat like directly asking people with polls and interviews, has made it clear that (a) that's not going to cut it, and it it's Trump versus "still won't serve your interests in any way, but at least he's not Trump" will result in an unambiguous Trump victory and (b) basically no one in the party, including many of the people who voted for him in the primary and intend to in the general, trust him to actually act like an actual Democrat on his own.  And, like... why would they?  He has like four decades of voting history telling us his politics, he can't really fool us at this point.

His solution is basically to go with the George W Bush strategy: "sure, I suck, obviously I'm unfit for the office, but really when you think about it it's not about me, I'm just one part of a larger political party that you do legitimately have a voice in, and I'll be drawing on that to make my decisions.  Also, I'm pulling in a bunch of people from the Obama administration.  You remember them?  The one competent administration in the last three decades?  You trust them, right?  And look, I'm seeking endorsements and statements of approval from organizations that do represent your values, so even if I clearly don't share them I'm willing to bend.  Vote for me."

// I mean, W didn't really end well in the long run, but he did win an election where even most of the members of his own party thought he was farking rubbish, so the strategy clearly can work.


You think that a man with a 30-year career as a Democratic Senator and 8 years as a Vice President had to put in effort to convince people he's a Democrat?
 
2020-05-27 6:19:01 AM  

Jim_Callahan: he's apparently convinced most of the vested interests that he's a Democrat above all else and that he'll do what the party platform and party leadership says he would do.  This is... not an easy sell for someone with Biden's record


Yes, I imagine it was extremely difficult for a six-term Democratic Senator, two-term Democratic Vice President, and three-time Democratic candidate for the Presidency to convince the "vested interests" in the party that he was a Democrat.

I mean, there are literally ones of Democrats who have served the party in Washington longer than him! Well, er, one Democrat. I mean, Pat Leahy has been around a few more than Biden's 44 years as an elected Democrat in DC, so Biden isn't quite *the* most established figure in the party with the most seniority and the firmest credentials.

But I'm sure it's was a tough sell. I mean, he's only voted for the more progressive position on contested bills a lifetime 88%, which is only a little bit more progressive than the average Democratic Senator -- and frankly if you're running against someone as acceptable to the Democratic party as Donald Trump, a B+ just doesn't cut it.
 
2020-05-27 7:06:35 AM  

Murkanen: misanthropicsob: With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.

And you think they would have endorsed a non-relevant party... why exactly?


I mean, they endorsed Hillary...
 
2020-05-27 7:29:09 AM  

misanthropicsob: Murkanen: misanthropicsob: With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.

And you think they would have endorsed a non-relevant party... why exactly?

I mean, they endorsed Hillary...


Hillary was a Democrat, and Democrats are occasionally capable of being elected.  The same can't be said of whoever is run by the Green Party.
 
2020-05-27 7:57:18 AM  

Murkanen: misanthropicsob: Murkanen: misanthropicsob: With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.

And you think they would have endorsed a non-relevant party... why exactly?

I mean, they endorsed Hillary...

Hillary was a Democrat, and Democrats are occasionally capable of being elected.  The same can't be said of whoever is run by the Green Party.


It's only because people are afraid to abandon the party that has already abandoned them.
 
2020-05-27 8:12:23 AM  

misanthropicsob: Murkanen: misanthropicsob: Murkanen: misanthropicsob: With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.

And you think they would have endorsed a non-relevant party... why exactly?

I mean, they endorsed Hillary...

Hillary was a Democrat, and Democrats are occasionally capable of being elected.  The same can't be said of whoever is run by the Green Party.

It's only because people are afraid to abandon the party that has already abandoned them.


And why is that genius?
 
2020-05-27 8:25:58 AM  

Nocrash: misanthropicsob: Murkanen: misanthropicsob: Murkanen: misanthropicsob: With all the support they get from the Democrats, they should have endorsed the Green Party for once. That would have been wild.

And you think they would have endorsed a non-relevant party... why exactly?

I mean, they endorsed Hillary...

Hillary was a Democrat, and Democrats are occasionally capable of being elected.  The same can't be said of whoever is run by the Green Party.

It's only because people are afraid to abandon the party that has already abandoned them.

And why is that genius?


Propaganda.
 
2020-05-27 10:30:00 AM  

FarkingChas: What is so shocking? The Republicans hate unions and want to crush them all. But somehow, people think the R's are on the side of the worker. Facepalm.


They've misinformed so many people that many people actually think unions do nothing but take your dues and give the money to democrats.

I've heard union machinists say this, ignoring the fact that they were making upwards of 30 bucks an hour where a non union machinists made 14.
 
2020-05-27 11:36:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: He is


No, he isn't. stop listening to that tankie accelerationist rag The Intercept
 
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