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(The Hill)   Mick Mulvaney may not know or care what the prevention paradox is, but his latest statement on COVID-19 seems to be a textbook example of it   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-05-26 12:29:06 PM  
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Screw you Mick!
 
2020-05-26 12:30:03 PM  
Mic your comparing a 3 month death rate for COVID - !9 to a yr with the flue.  Plus your quoting figures that are inflated even for a yr of the flu.  If you're so sure your correct, volunteer to help COVID 19 patients and see if you get it. You're not a Dr. you're a fool.
 
2020-05-26 12:31:50 PM  
I forgot about that guy. I assume Trump would be just as shocked that he's still on the payroll and not buried in a ditch somewhere.
 
2020-05-26 12:34:15 PM  
100,000 Americans and their families wish we had overreacted.
 
2020-05-26 12:35:57 PM  
If we over-reacted, we'd only have about 5,000 deaths and would have spent 25 billion on testing by the end of March. And they would have endlessly complained about that 25 billion.
How many trillion have we spent by under-reacting?
How many more trillion will it cost us because we rushed to re-open?
 
2020-05-26 12:36:57 PM  
 
2020-05-26 12:51:53 PM  
In a certain sense, you can guarantee that we overreacted, because we didn't have the information to do otherwise.

If we had moved quickly to build testing infrastructure before the virus hit, then when one person came into the hospital we could test them, their family, their friends, their neighbors, and their co-workers, so that we would know whether this one case was really just one case, or if it represented 50 other cases that we hadn't seen yet.  That could make the difference between having to lock down a state versus a county, or just a block, or just one guy.

In the final accounting, it might be true that some states would have been fine if they didn't lock down, or could have locked down later or for a shorter time, or imposed fewer restrictions, and not seen a significant change in infection rates.  We might have the data one day to support that.  If we did over-react, blame the lack of data.  Whose fault is that?
 
2020-05-26 1:07:26 PM  
It all depends if you value life over money. It's an underreaction if you value life and an overreaction if you value money.
 
2020-05-26 1:10:28 PM  
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2020-05-26 1:19:08 PM  
Mulvaney said he flew on an airplane over the weekend and would be "completely comfortable" sitting in a middle seat if he and both passengers next to him had masks on to limit the odds of transmitting the disease.

I have 3 masks and each of them tend to vent to the sides.

Just sayin.
 
2020-05-26 1:20:48 PM  
Our economy was already on a downward spiral before the lockdown kicked in. Even if we pretended the virus didn't exist, other parts of the world did and we do a lot of business with them.

Just like how Sweden wasn't able to avoid the economic consequences because they do business with the rest of Europe.
 
2020-05-26 1:20:55 PM  
It's weird because this guy should be able to grasp how SIR models work through his study of economics and statistics. If I didn't know better, I would suspect he isn't being a straight-shooter on this stuff.
 
2020-05-26 1:22:07 PM  
Just like Y2K: "We spent millions of man-hours and hundreds of millions of dollars on the Y2K problem, and it was a gigantic waste because nothing happened at all!

/Nothing happened BECAUSE we spend so much time mitigating the problem in advance
 
2020-05-26 1:23:02 PM  
"We goofed, more people should be dead."
 
2020-05-26 1:23:17 PM  

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We haven't even gotten that far because we already farked up. We hit the top of the hump and then everybody threw up their hands and said "fark it I want a hair cut four-six weeks is just too long" and now that hump is turning into a momentary plateau before another climb. As they said, there is no second wave because we never beat the first wave. We just half-assed everything
 
2020-05-26 1:23:31 PM  
I thought I was in the Entertainment tab and read the headline as "John Mulaney".  I spent more than a few seconds thinking about There's a Horse in the Hospital where he references anything like the prevention paradox.

I think today's going to be a writeoff.
 
2020-05-26 1:23:40 PM  

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That graph doesn't apply anymore. We're nowhere near where we can say we over reacted. We took the upward line route.
 
2020-05-26 1:24:16 PM  

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Screw you Mick!


100,047 now.

/I feel sick
 
2020-05-26 1:25:56 PM  

Circusdog320: [Fark user image 425x621]

Screw you Mick!


Where the hell is AIDS?
 
2020-05-26 1:26:22 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I forgot about that guy. I assume Trump would be just as shocked that he's still on the payroll and not buried in a ditch somewhere.


They hid him in subbasement B in the hopes that he will just voluntarily quit.
 
2020-05-26 1:26:35 PM  
He referenced the 2017-2018 flu season, when roughly 80,000 people in the U.S. died of influenza, to draw a contrast between how the country reacted then to how it has reacted to the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed nearly 100,000 Americans in roughly three months.

"Not to say that COVID is the ordinary flu, that's not my point," Mulvaney said. "But my point is that almost 100,000 people died two years ago from flu and the country didn't shut down.


What a sickening example of math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better. These people are irredeemable pieces of shiat, every single one of them.
 
2020-05-26 1:28:02 PM  
"...the U.S. has "overreacted a little bit" to the coronavirus pandemic, arguing that Americans can get back to work sooner rather than later if they observe social distancing and wear masks."

Um, most Republicans are not going to wear a mask and they'll cough in an old persons face while standing in line. Most Republicans only care about themselves. That's why they are Republican in the first place.
 
2020-05-26 1:28:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: 100,000 Americans and their families wish we had overreacted.


In all of this, I wish we'd have started social distancing and shutting down two weeks earlier.

I live in Queens, NY.  The second and third weeks of March and all April were really, really bad.
 
2020-05-26 1:29:17 PM  
Republicans always lie.
 
2020-05-26 1:29:45 PM  
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Let me get this right, this guy wants more of us to get on the cart so his ex boss can get re-elected ???
Today's dumpster fire... Oh forget it, I'm just so tired of this shiat, this has to be the worst timeline.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
2020-05-26 1:29:52 PM  

Circusdog320: [Fark user image image 425x621]

Screw you Mick!


That's what gets me about these assholes. "The flu killed 80,000 people in a year and we didn't shut anything down."

Covid-19 killed 100,000 people in 4 months AND we shut everything down.  Why do you keep making this false equivalence?

/Because it works on low info voters and people who get their news from individuals on YouTube.
 
2020-05-26 1:31:02 PM  

LovesToSpooge: "...the U.S. has "overreacted a little bit" to the coronavirus pandemic, arguing that Americans can get back to work sooner rather than later if they observe social distancing and wear masks."

Um, most Republicans are not going to wear a mask and they'll cough in an old persons face while standing in line. Most Republicans only care about themselves. That's why they are Republican in the first place.


I just ran into my lobby to water the plants.  Masked and gloved. The mailman walked in...with no farking mask on.  He sees me and I said "I'll leave" and he says "no, you're good"...I just very quickly walked into my apartment.

What the actual fark dude...
 
2020-05-26 1:35:54 PM  

Senseless_drivel: Mulvaney said he flew on an airplane over the weekend and would be "completely comfortable" sitting in a middle seat if he and both passengers next to him had masks on to limit the odds of transmitting the disease.

I have 3 masks and each of them tend to vent to the sides.

Just sayin.


Mickey flew on a private flight with Air Force attendants.
 
2020-05-26 1:47:47 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: It all depends if you value life over money. It's an underreaction if you value life and an overreaction if you value money.


To be frank, lives are calculated in money terms (and other things) all the time.  For example, one could design a car that is 100% safe.  It would just cost four times as much and have a top speed of 25 MPH.  Society decided that it's worth a certain number of dead people to have a car that travels faster and is cheaper.
 
2020-05-26 1:51:13 PM  
He's trump people. trump people won't care until it hits them and theirs directly. Till then, as far as trump people are concerned, it's a non-issue.
 
2020-05-26 1:59:46 PM  

Circusdog320: [Fark user image 425x621]

Screw you Mick!


WW I was only one year long?
 
2020-05-26 1:59:49 PM  
He wouldn't be wrong if people were doing what they are supposed to be doing.  But it's evidently just way too hard for people to wear masks and stay just a little bit farther apart from each other.  Just those two simple little things.

So that's that.
 
2020-05-26 1:59:56 PM  
Following the best science from multiple agencies is never over reacting.
shiat changes day to day.  We really need scientists in the next administration.
With lots of flashcards and illustrations.  This is crazy.
 
2020-05-26 2:01:32 PM  

Senseless_drivel: Mulvaney said he flew on an airplane over the weekend and would be "completely comfortable" sitting in a middle seat if he and both passengers next to him had masks on to limit the odds of transmitting the disease.

I have 3 masks and each of them tend to vent to the sides.

Just sayin.


A couple weeks before this I got a P100 mask for spray painting a large area inside a building.  I hadn't painted yet, and the filters last 6 months once exposed to oxygen, so I'm actually one of the few people who get to be protected by the mask they are wearing.
 
2020-05-26 2:04:07 PM  

Tor_Eckman: He wouldn't be wrong if people were doing what they are supposed to be doing.  But it's evidently just way too hard for people to wear masks and stay just a little bit farther apart from each other.  Just those two simple little things.

So that's that.


Uh, no, if everyone was doing what they were supposed to be doing there would be dramatically fewer deaths and he'd still have been wrong.
 
2020-05-26 2:04:10 PM  

Geotpf: Tr0mBoNe: It all depends if you value life over money. It's an underreaction if you value life and an overreaction if you value money.

To be frank, lives are calculated in money terms (and other things) all the time.  For example, one could design a car that is 100% safe.  It would just cost four times as much and have a top speed of 25 MPH.  Society decided that it's worth a certain number of dead people to have a car that travels faster and is cheaper.


My insurance company considers $5 million to be my lifetime reimbursement limit for all claims combined.
 
2020-05-26 2:10:44 PM  

dababler: Circusdog320: [Fark user image 425x621]

Screw you Mick!

Where the hell is AIDS?


That graphic appears to be tracking individual / notable events with high fatality rates. If it were tracking all causes, cancer and heart disease would be the only two things on there other than World Wars I and II (which makes me wonder why flu deaths or [violent] gun deaths for any year were included since they're both chronic public health problems as well).

At any rate, I don't know that HIV/AIDS deaths are tracked specifically since neither of those things are what directly kill you. The CDC, however, says about 16,000 people with HIV died in 2017, which would put it on par with violent gun deaths if we just assume every single one of those people wouldn't have died if they didn't have HIV.
 
2020-05-26 2:11:56 PM  

Wireless Joe: Circusdog320: [Fark user image 425x621]

Screw you Mick!

WW I was only one year long?


The U.S. only fought WWI directly for 18 months.
 
2020-05-26 2:48:34 PM  
Boo farking hoo, Mulvany! Call the farking Overreaction Police and have me arrested for overreacting!
 
2020-05-26 3:02:36 PM  
It ain't over yet.
 
2020-05-26 3:13:41 PM  
The most relevant part of his statement: "Americans can get back to work sooner rather than later if they observe social distancing and wear masks."

Hahahaha. Let me laugh even harder. Go look at pictures from the Lake of the Ozarks from this past weekend to see how many were crowded close together. Go read comments on articles about people wearing masks and see how many won't do it.
 
2020-05-26 3:41:34 PM  

Wireless Joe: Circusdog320: [Fark user image 425x621]

Screw you Mick!

WW I was only one year long?


The United States declared war on Germany on April 6, 1917, nearly three years after World War I started. A ceasefire and Armistice was declared on November 11, 1918.
 
2020-05-26 6:40:55 PM  
If you don't overreact, or you wait until it's an obvious problem, you done farked up the pandemic.  That's just the way pandemics work.  You would think a guy involved with interest rates would understand exponential growth.
 
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