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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1865, Confederate General Kirby Smith surrendered, facing criticism for failing to provide relief to Vicksburg, Mississippi in spite of his ability to float and copy his enemies abilities by inhaling them   (history.com) divider line
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2020-05-26 2:27:56 PM  
Don't forget his solid batting.

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2020-05-26 3:37:15 PM  

TommyDeuce: Don't forget his solid batting.

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Wow, I am sure the confederacy was proud to have him.
 
2020-05-26 3:38:50 PM  
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2020-05-26 3:40:34 PM  
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2020-05-26 3:42:17 PM  
This is the asshole loser that Florida kept a statue of in the US Capitol for years.  Embarrassing.
 
2020-05-26 3:44:41 PM  
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But everyone knows he sucked under pressure.
 
2020-05-26 3:55:54 PM  
Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.
 
2020-05-26 3:56:21 PM  
I always got a LOL out of the Kirby-Smithdom.
 
2020-05-26 3:59:52 PM  
The remnants of Smith's and Watie's army continued guerilla tactics in the western Confederacy
until 1871 and became the founding members of the first iteration of the KKK.
 
2020-05-26 4:01:01 PM  

J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.


How many men is a general willing to sacrifice for a war he knew was already lost?
 
2020-05-26 4:03:43 PM  

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But everyone knows he sucked under pressure.


Some actually proudly made in the Confederalunacy Lone sTard Republik of Texass.
Andrews, TX to boot, where they want to start storing nuclear waste in a salt dome.
 
2020-05-26 4:05:45 PM  

Magorn: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

How many men is a general willing to sacrifice for a war he knew was already lost?


He was most likely losing some to disease anyway.
 
2020-05-26 4:06:36 PM  

J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.


Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.
 
2020-05-26 4:13:28 PM  

UNC_Samurai: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.


He never had more than 30k men at most, which was nowhere near enough to cover the vast territory he was assigned.  As you stated, the Union Navy has complete control of the river.  Once Vicksburg was in Union control Smith's communication with Richmond was cut.  He was on his own.
 
2020-05-26 4:18:30 PM  

UNC_Samurai: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.


Oh yeah, just to let you know....

- I live in Chapel Hill
- My wife and I received graduate degrees from UNC - CH
- My son starts UNC - CH in the fall
 
2020-05-26 4:19:31 PM  

UNC_Samurai: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.


And I am a historical interpreter at Bennett Place in Durham.
 
2020-05-26 4:22:08 PM  

J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.


not only that but most of New Orleans was Confederate he would have had lots of help from inside the city.
 
2020-05-26 4:22:19 PM  
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Also good for Nazis.
 
2020-05-26 4:25:27 PM  

CaptainSpaceJohnny: UNC_Samurai: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.

And I am a historical interpreter at Bennett Place in Durham.


Mark Bradley was my TA for Joe Caddell's Sea Power class.

/PWAD '04
 
2020-05-26 4:25:54 PM  
This should be a fun thread.

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2020-05-26 4:26:44 PM  

haknudsen: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

not only that but most of New Orleans was Confederate he would have had lots of help from inside the city.


Less than you think. Once the poorer classes got used to regular work and pay and in currency that didn't devalue while you were taking a leak, and the local merchants saw how much money they could make by selling cotton directly to the North without having to worry about smuggling, not much chance they were going to trade that in.
 
2020-05-26 4:38:08 PM  

haknudsen: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

not only that but most of New Orleans was Confederate he would have had lots of help from inside the city.


Wrong. The Union took New Orleans in May 1862 and controlled it until the end of the CW.
 
2020-05-26 4:38:59 PM  

UNC_Samurai: CaptainSpaceJohnny: UNC_Samurai: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.

And I am a historical interpreter at Bennett Place in Durham.

Mark Bradley was my TA for Joe Caddell's Sea Power class.

/PWAD '04


Now that is cool!
 
2020-05-26 5:24:35 PM  
Did he do anything besides being dictator of the west? He wasn't even in a Clint Eastwood movie for christsakes
 
2020-05-26 6:35:38 PM  

UNC_Samurai: J_Kushner: Grants supply lines stretched over 200 miles  thru hostile territory.  New Orleans could have been retaken with a parade of floozies flashing their... for beads, y'know.  Yet that pro-slavery clown could not even threaten Grant's rear.

Taking cities straddling large bodies of water when your opponent has absolute maritime supremacy is a LOT more difficult than you'd think.  The Union could have reinforced any port along the Mississippi within a matter of days, before Smith's army got to the other side of the river.


I'm not saying they could have held New Orleans or saved Vicksburg.
They weren't gonna beat Grant head on & break the siege (Plan A)
Plan B: cut that long tail so Grant's army starves... small chance of success.  Plan C make Grant garrison forts & tie up resources & men that can't be used anywhere productive.

Loser general made a poor showing of himself.
 
2020-05-26 6:36:59 PM  

FLMountainMan: This is the asshole loser that Florida kept a statue of in the US Capitol for years.  Embarrassing.


LSU named a dorm after him in 1967.
 
2020-05-26 6:37:10 PM  
So who did Trump tweet back then?  Kuckoo Kirby Smith, or heroic Vicksburg?
 
2020-05-26 7:45:17 PM  
Boomerang - Kirby the dog gets lost
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2020-05-26 8:07:18 PM  
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Unaware that the South surrendered in April, 1865, the captain of the Confederate ship CSS Shenandoah continued to attack and sink Union ships until August.

( links to https://www.lookandlearn.com/blog/248​1​5/captain-waddell-did-not-know-the-ame​rican-civil-war-had-ended/ )
 
2020-05-26 9:46:19 PM  
Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
2020-05-27 9:07:36 AM  

Kellner21: Hindsight is always 20/20.


But looking back it's still a bit fuzzy.
 
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