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2020-05-25 12:14:38 PM  
I figure the election is already over. It's just "Trump" and "the guy who isn't Trump". And the dipshiats who don't know they're voting for Trump when they vote third party.

The only remaining variables are how much Trump cheats and how many people fall for it when he says a cure is being mailed out on November 6th.
 
2020-05-25 12:48:05 PM  
Wanting to appeal to as many people as possible

That monster
 
2020-05-25 1:07:25 PM  

Gubbo: Wanting to appeal to as many people as possible

That monster


Exactly.  He was the best bet to beat trump as it was and this helps those chances
/besides being the right thing to do
 
2020-05-25 2:06:40 PM  

Gubbo: Wanting to appeal to as many people as possible

That monster


I know right, how dare he try to adopt more leftist policies while doing so with messaging that makes them understandable and desirable to centrist voters.

the world's greatest monster.
 
2020-05-25 2:08:24 PM  
I don't want a visionary for POTUS.
I want a capable administrator that responds to the needs and desires of the people.

Biden can do that.
 
2020-05-25 2:08:29 PM  
Im VoTiNg fur TuLSi
 
2020-05-25 2:10:01 PM  
It is pretty funny though. Usually the primaries are where the candidates are on one end of the spectrum and then for the general election they pretend like they're moving to the center. This time it's backwards. Hahaaaa. So funny. Llllllllllol
 
2020-05-25 2:10:55 PM  
If Biden wants to move left without abandoning the center, he can pick a progressive VP who energizes progressives and is eager to go out to stump for him. It's not that difficult.
 
2020-05-25 2:12:06 PM  
I'll vote for Biden but I wish he'd abandon Hilary Rosen and the RIAA because policy changes by those assholes have made it difficult to quickly manufacture the best medical equipment in a pandemic.
 
2020-05-25 2:13:25 PM  
No, Republicans who oppose Trump are not likely to support Biden's suggestion for a public option. That's why anyone who has ever bought a used car knows, the proper strategy would have been for Biden to stomp in, slam his fist on the table and demand, M4A. Then, he has room to negotiate down to a public option. By advocating for a public option first, Biden has left room to negotiate down to exactly where we are now. And that is why it's going to cause me physical pain to vote for Biden in November. Yes, I'm looking for a VP pick (EW) to alleviate that discomfort.
 
2020-05-25 2:15:33 PM  

Gubbo: Wanting to appeal to as many people as possible

That monster


The problem comes when it's actually time to act on those leftish policies that he's claiming to support. I am hoping that he doesn't come up with a sudden case of amnesia or claims that a completely useless token gesture is what he was claiming he was going to do all along. For example, I fully agree with him that zeroing out carbon emissions in the next decade isn't going to be feasible for the US. The question I have is he going to make meaningful changes that will greatly reduce our carbon emissions over the next ten years or is he just going to reverse Trump's policies, declare victory and call it a day and leave us where we were in 2016?
 
2020-05-25 2:16:44 PM  
I'm really hoping he follows the trajectory of LBJ. A centrist who moved left when he became president.

/sans Vietnam of course.
 
2020-05-25 2:20:06 PM  

red230: The question I have is he going to make meaningful changes that will greatly reduce our carbon emissions over the next ten years


Is he going to have 60 votes in the senate to make meaningful change?   No?  Then thats the answer.
 
2020-05-25 2:21:15 PM  
This is going to get more farked up as we get closer to november.  Anyone who is not a hard core trumper will be inundated by stuff that is "wrong" with Biden ignoring completely the fact that Trump is a farking monster.

I'm seriously temped to move to Ottawa and say fark this shiat.
 
stk
2020-05-25 2:21:33 PM  
Biden's going to lose so hard to the worst president since Harding. There's no victory so secure that the Dems can't bungle.
 
2020-05-25 2:22:38 PM  

Weatherkiss: If Biden wants to move left without abandoning the center, he can pick a progressive VP who energizes progressives and is eager to go out to stump for him. It's not that difficult.


Amy Klobuchar, right?
 
2020-05-25 2:22:53 PM  
So he's taking a wide stance on the issue?
 
2020-05-25 2:23:26 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Weatherkiss: If Biden wants to move left without abandoning the center, he can pick a progressive VP who energizes progressives and is eager to go out to stump for him. It's not that difficult.

Amy Klobuchar, right?


Barf.
 
2020-05-25 2:24:05 PM  

Screaming Candle: This is going to get more farked up as we get closer to november.  Anyone who is not a hard core trumper will be inundated by stuff that is "wrong" with Biden ignoring completely the fact that Trump is a farking monster.

I'm seriously temped to move to Ottawa and say fark this shiat.


Talk to the moose first there guy because Canada's closed
 
2020-05-25 2:26:39 PM  
Hmm, What are my choices?
Vote for Biden or shove a white-hot poker into an adorable puppy's ass.  Whatever will I do?
My sister-in-law worships that stammering yam. She invited herself here for Memorial Day weekend.  I don't think she will visit here again anytime soon.
She told my imaginary wife that she does not care what kind of person he or what he does. Told us there was NOTHING he could do to change her mind. She said, "he's the BEST President we've ever had."  She told us she wants to go to a rally and that he speaks for her. 

Mrs. Dahnkster told her sister that she used to think she was intelligent.
She told her she is in a cult.
It IS gawdamned cult.
 
2020-05-25 2:30:57 PM  

Dahnkster: Hmm, What are my choices?
Vote for Biden or shove a white-hot poker into an adorable puppy's ass.  Whatever will I do?
My sister-in-law worships that stammering yam. She invited herself here for Memorial Day weekend.  I don't think she will visit here again anytime soon.
She told my imaginary wife that she does not care what kind of person he or what he does. Told us there was NOTHING he could do to change her mind. She said, "he's the BEST President we've ever had."  She told us she wants to go to a rally and that he speaks for her. 

Mrs. Dahnkster told her sister that she used to think she was intelligent.
She told her she is in a cult.
It IS gawdamned cult.


I don't know how to feel about this if your wife is imaginary.
 
2020-05-25 2:32:45 PM  

Candy Colored Clown: I'm really hoping he follows the trajectory of LBJ. A centrist who moved left when he became president.

/sans Vietnam of course.


Does that happen if there is not a wound in the body-politic to treat gingerly?  Like one inflicted from a head-shot?
 
2020-05-25 2:33:53 PM  
Tia is a lawyer who just finished a case that lasted two years. Jake is a chef who just got fired, and Tia's aunt & uncle just bought a ship to start offering dinner cruises. Oooh! Did we mention that Tia's uncle's captain just quit at the last minute, and that Tia has a captain's license? What could possibly happen? Will they decide to make the Boaty McBoatface immediately? Or will it take All Summer Long? You'll have to watch for it on the Hallmark Channel.

Keep a lookout for Peter DeLuise as Uncle Roland / the movie's director! Or just lookit Autumn Reeser as Tia.

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2020-05-25 2:35:49 PM  

mofa: Tia is a lawyer who just finished a case that lasted two years. Jake is a chef who just got fired, and Tia's aunt & uncle just bought a ship to start offering dinner cruises. Oooh! Did we mention that Tia's uncle's captain just quit at the last minute, and that Tia has a captain's license? What could possibly happen? Will they decide to make the Boaty McBoatface immediately? Or will it take All Summer Long? You'll have to watch for it on the Hallmark Channel.

Keep a lookout for Peter DeLuise as Uncle Roland / the movie's director! Or just lookit Autumn Reeser as Tia.

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She seems nice. Let's have her for Biden's VP
 
2020-05-25 2:36:25 PM  
Biden's ad running on TV goes on and on about how hard his father worked.

Wish his dad was running.
 
2020-05-25 2:37:16 PM  
Biden has my vote. Lesser of two evils? Maybe. If so, good isn't on the ballot with any hope of victory.

So, single-payer, no single payer, major reforms or "nothing will fundamentally change", I'm voting Biden.

Clearly not in love with the dude. But I'd vote for an actual rotten carcass before I voted for Dump.

And no third party candidate has any momemtum at all this cycle, so you throwing your vote away won't help anything or even be noticed.

Wish I WAS more enthused, but this is what we got, so that's what I'm gonna do.
 
2020-05-25 2:40:18 PM  
Biden is one of a small and shrinking number of people who really understands that at the end of the day, we all have to live with each other. We have no choice but to do otherwise. That understanding didn't come naturally to him, but I'm not sure it comes naturally to anyone: certainly not in this day and age, and maybe never in history. He's not the greatest at it either -certainly Obama did it better, though he faced his own obstacles- but he may very well be the best of this cycle's bunch.
 
2020-05-25 2:42:13 PM  
Yep, still relevant:
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It's not going away just because Biden is our only hope and you think he's a nice guy...
 
2020-05-25 2:42:23 PM  

johnny_vegas: Exactly. He was the best bet to beat trump


Oh you poor clueless dreamer.

Still, I'm voting for Biden, despite his many flaws.  The alternative is the end of democracy.
 
2020-05-25 2:44:22 PM  

Without Fail: I don't want a visionary for POTUS.
I want a capable administrator that responds to the needs and desires of the people.


I'm not even going that far. At this point, my first request is someone who understands the job, and what it means to be President.

Just, like, the Constitutional role, filling all the Executive appointment positions, having the occasional State dinner, the Secret Service isn't a personal Praetorian Guard, the DoJ is an independent agency... The parts of the job that Trump has been an unimaginable failure with. My standards are literally that low. Anything above and beyond would be wonderful, but I'll settle for the bare bones fundamentals at this point.
 
2020-05-25 2:45:15 PM  

Call the Guy: Screaming Candle: This is going to get more farked up as we get closer to november.  Anyone who is not a hard core trumper will be inundated by stuff that is "wrong" with Biden ignoring completely the fact that Trump is a farking monster.

I'm seriously temped to move to Ottawa and say fark this shiat.

Talk to the moose first there guy because Canada's closed


Also tell him he's safe now from the Canucks who got bored by no hockey for 6 weeks.

#MooseToo
 
2020-05-25 2:46:05 PM  
Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.
 
2020-05-25 2:46:12 PM  

Candy Colored Clown: I'm really hoping he follows the trajectory of LBJ. A centrist who moved left when he became president.

/sans Vietnam of course.


Can you imagine Joe ordering slacks ?

Possibly NSFW

LBJ's Bunghole Needs Room!
Youtube S3GT9UN7nDo
 
2020-05-25 2:47:52 PM  
Biden is where he is solely because he can get money/support from old rich white guys. Full stop. Those obligations will be met. Everything between empty promises to the poors and to the idiots farther to the left are laughed about with a wink and a handshake. But by all means dont stop believing.
 
2020-05-25 2:51:10 PM  

austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.


Actual change scares people. They know, or think they know, how to deal with and navigate what exists today. If actual change occurs, they will have to adapt. It might be unpleasant for them. Might even be actual work. Almost nobody wants to vote for themselves to have to do any work.
 
2020-05-25 2:51:10 PM  

austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.


control-F T-A-X-E-S (return)

"not found"
 
2020-05-25 2:52:39 PM  

knobmaker: johnny_vegas: Exactly. He was the best bet to beat trump

Oh you poor clueless dreamer.

Still, I'm voting for Biden, despite his many flaws.  The alternative is the end of democracy.


I'll assume this is Bernie bro irony and treat it accordingly
 
2020-05-25 2:52:39 PM  

NPC_SLAYER: Biden is where he is solely because he can get money/support from old rich white guys. Full stop. Those obligations will be met. Everything between empty promises to the poors and to the idiots farther to the left are laughed about with a wink and a handshake. But by all means dont stop believing.


Russian like typing detected.
 
2020-05-25 2:53:19 PM  

austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.


They hate taxes and the working class.

Centrists are just the tea party with a more rainbow coalition.
 
2020-05-25 2:53:22 PM  

NPC_SLAYER: Biden is where he is solely because he can get money/support from old rich white guys. Full stop. Those obligations will be met. Everything between empty promises to the poors and to the idiots farther to the left are laughed about with a wink and a handshake. But by all means dont stop believing.


Still counting to Potato?
You'll get there one day, champ.
 
2020-05-25 2:55:22 PM  

TimeWithWalrus: austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.

Actual change scares people. They know, or think they know, how to deal with and navigate what exists today. If actual change occurs, they will have to adapt. It might be unpleasant for them. Might even be actual work. Almost nobody wants to vote for themselves to have to do any work.


Some of them have also fallen victim to the narrative that the GOP concocted that if you help the poorest of the poor (increasing minimum wage to a livable wage) that it takes away from their own standard of living.
 
2020-05-25 2:57:17 PM  

red230: . I am hoping that he doesn't come up with a sudden case of amnesia or claims that a completely useless token gesture is what he was claiming he was going to do all along.


he's been advocating for worker rights, voting rights, etc for DECADES

i'm really getting tired of these kinda of comments because they show a complete ignorance to his history as a politician.
 
2020-05-25 2:57:47 PM  

red230: Gubbo: Wanting to appeal to as many people as possible

That monster

The problem comes when it's actually time to act on those leftish policies that he's claiming to support. I am hoping that he doesn't come up with a sudden case of amnesia or claims that a completely useless token gesture is what he was claiming he was going to do all along. For example, I fully agree with him that zeroing out carbon emissions in the next decade isn't going to be feasible for the US. The question I have is he going to make meaningful changes that will greatly reduce our carbon emissions over the next ten years or is he just going to reverse Trump's policies, declare victory and call it a day and leave us where we were in 2016?


I don't really see Biden refusing to sign progressive legislation. But Democrats need to give him a Congress that will put those bills on his desk.
 
2020-05-25 2:57:58 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.

control-F T-A-X-E-S (return)

"not found"


I know Windows uses Control+F and Enter, and MaOS uses Command+F and Return, but yours uses Control+F and has a Return key? What the hell system are you on?
 
2020-05-25 2:58:55 PM  

Screaming Candle: This is going to get more farked up as we get closer to november.  Anyone who is not a hard core trumper will be inundated by stuff that is "wrong" with Biden ignoring completely the fact that Trump is a farking monster.

I'm seriously temped to move to Ottawa and say fark this shiat.


Don't get complacent, but don't be defeatist either.

Here is the latest state-by-state polling map

electoral-vote.comView Full Size

(Source: Electoral-Vote.com for May 25, 2020)
 
2020-05-25 2:59:28 PM  

Weatherkiss: If Biden wants to move left without abandoning the center, he can pick a progressive VP who energizes progressives and is eager to go out to stump for him. It's not that difficult.


Progressives dont come out to vote!  They are lazy as fark.  Why any politician would appeal to them would be a super dumb thing to do.
 
2020-05-25 2:59:32 PM  

austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.


Some of them, my guess is they're just used to thinking the way they've been taught for decades, they've lived nice lives unaware of whatever privilege they've been born into, and they believe things will be perfect with only a little tweaking here and there around the edges, nothing more.

While I'm at it I'll also guess that the majority of "centrists" are boogeymen in the minds of internet weirdos.
 
2020-05-25 3:00:40 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: TimeWithWalrus: austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.

Actual change scares people. They know, or think they know, how to deal with and navigate what exists today. If actual change occurs, they will have to adapt. It might be unpleasant for them. Might even be actual work. Almost nobody wants to vote for themselves to have to do any work.

Some of them have also fallen victim to the narrative that the GOP concocted that if you help the poorest of the poor (increasing minimum wage to a livable wage) that it takes away from their own standard of living.


I am well aware. Just have to read any prole rightwinger's take on inflation.

"I used to be able to buy six packets of Hostess cakes for 1.50. Now I can only buy two, bEcAuSe tHeY rAiSeD tHe MiNiMuM wAgE! Wasting MY money!!!!".. is an actual argument I read from one the other day.

They don't read whole books, and never have, nor will they listen to anyone who disagrees with their steaming hot turd takes like that one. So, it's gonna be a real long slog from here to anywhere sane no matter the outcome of this particular cycle.
 
2020-05-25 3:00:46 PM  

TimeWithWalrus: So, single-payer, no single payer, major reforms or "nothing will fundamentally change", I'm voting Biden.


Keep in mind that "nothing will fundamentally change" quote is being taken out of context and used as a weapon to say exactly the opposite of what he was saying. he was literally telling rich people to stop clutching their pearls about their taxes being raised.
 
2020-05-25 3:01:13 PM  

austerity101: Why do centrists hate progressive ideas?  Or do they, even?  There seems to be a common knowledge that pushing for anything remotely progressive scares off moderate and centrist voters, and I guess I just don't understand what it is that they want that, you know, "progress" is something that turns them off so much.  Are they afraid of taxing the rich?  Are they afraid poor people are going to get too much?  Are they uncomfortable with the idea of gender, sexual, and racial minorities being treated the same as everyone else?  I don't think I understand who centrists are, who they represent, or what they believe in, let alone why the Democrats are so afraid of them.


As I see it, a centrist is a person who wants racial equality in the schools unless it will adversely affect the value of his house. The centrist wants families  kept together and kids released from cages so long as he is not confronted with people in his neighborhood who have not yet mastered English. He wants everyone to receive reasonable health care so long as federal income taxes rise for neither him nor the man who employs him. The centrist ardently supports truth, justice, and the American way provided it doesn't come between him and a high five figure job.
 
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