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1524 clicks; posted to Business » on 25 May 2020 at 12:05 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-05-25 1:57:27 PM  
What happens in a country where the judges aren't bought.
 
2020-05-25 2:32:54 PM  
They bought my 2010 TDI wagon from me at full retail + 50%. I thought it was a fair deal.
 
2020-05-25 6:02:15 PM  
Best part about of the article: "The carmaker's current and former senior employees are facing criminal charges in Germany."
 
2020-05-25 6:35:06 PM  

the_colonel: Best part about of the article: "The carmaker's current and former senior employees are facing criminal charges in Germany."


Good.  You shouldn't be able to just sign off on *breaking the law* and expect to be able to get away with just making some half assed apology, worst case be asked to resign with a massive golden parachute.

/Why does my phone predict I want to say "shower" after "golden"?
//I shouldn't say that.  I know why, just not going to agree to anything this really in the evening...
 
2020-05-25 6:59:33 PM  
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Still waiting to hear of other manufacturers having done the same. All big car companies buy each others cars and tear them down to see how they work. No way other carmakers weren't asking their engineers to find out how VW were getting such good results, and no way those engineers didn't find out exactly what VW were doing. So why didn't any of them blow the whistle years earlier? Wikipedia reports lots of cars failed the tests, so why is it only VW that is being publicly criticised?
 
2020-05-25 7:28:25 PM  

freakdiablo: the_colonel: Best part about of the article: "The carmaker's current and former senior employees are facing criminal charges in Germany."

Good.  You shouldn't be able to just sign off on *breaking the law* and expect to be able to get away with just making some half assed apology, worst case be asked to resign with a massive golden parachute.

/Why does my phone predict I want to say "shower" after "golden"?
//I shouldn't say that.  I know why, just not going to agree to anything this really in the evening...


Found Trumps fark handle
 
2020-05-25 11:29:25 PM  
Yes this was bad and I agree with the penalties but the level of genius that went into how it was done is amazing.  This was emissions cheating in a manner you only see in things like Formula 1.
 
2020-05-26 12:32:57 AM  
I hate that it's effectively killed the diesel car in America. Those cars were great long range commute cars.
 
2020-05-26 6:42:21 AM  

freakdiablo: /Why does my phone predict I want to say "shower" after "golden"?


Because you spend your time on the Pol tab ranting about Trump?
 
2020-05-26 10:00:50 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Still waiting to hear of other manufacturers having done the same. All big car companies buy each others cars and tear them down to see how they work. No way other carmakers weren't asking their engineers to find out how VW were getting such good results, and no way those engineers didn't find out exactly what VW were doing.


Apparently the didn't find the cheating if they got into the ECU code, because I feel that someone would have dropped a dime.

Mazda is the company that lost the most. They spent years trying to bring their diesel engine to the USA. It was promised since, like, 2012. I was holding out to buy a 6 sedan with the diesel engine (and hopefully a manual transmission). Mazda engineers spent years trying to make the engine meet emissions without urea injection because VW had apparently accomplished it (though this was only in a couple years of Jetta and Golf models, and VW later switched to urea injection when the vehicles went through a redesign). Then, the VW scandal broke.I can only imagine the silence at Mazda engineering meetings when the diesel engine builders were told of this. Some of them probably had to commit seppuku right in front of the CEO to apologize for their failures.
 
2020-05-26 10:04:25 AM  

Mrbogey: I hate that it's effectively killed the diesel car in America. Those cars were great long range commute cars.


Chevy Cruze might have been the last one. I got a 2018 model and the 2019 model year was truncated due to the Cruze being discontinued.
 
2020-05-26 10:44:58 AM  

Mrbogey: I hate that it's effectively killed the diesel car in America. Those cars were great long range commute cars.


The Califrkkyua and Europeein' emissions standards for diesel cars are bullshiat and were designed solely for that purpose. The amount of NO2 emissions generated by all the diesel cars in the world of reasonably new make and model is negligible in the long run compared to the efficiency of power output and fuel efficiency; putting piss in the gas tank to "reduce nitrous oxide" robs vehicles of power and efficiency.

Personally I am proud of VW for basically calling it bullshiat and saying "no, fark YOU." to the 'powers that be' for decades. fark them all: I want my 50 MPGs & 400 miles to a tank range back. I guarantee you that you will never get that and pulling power from a Pius anytime soon.
 
2020-05-26 5:55:06 PM  

mrmopar5287: Then, the VW scandal broke.I can only imagine the silence at Mazda engineering meetings when the diesel engine builders were told of this. Some of them probably had to commit seppuku right in front of the CEO to apologize for their failures.


I would have thought it would have vindicated the engineers. Up to then their bosses must have been telling them "VW have managed it, why can't you dumbasses?". After they found out VW had cheated the engineers could say "That's why we couldn't manage it".
 
2020-05-26 6:06:55 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I would have thought it would have vindicated the engineers. Up to then their bosses must have been telling them "VW have managed it, why can't you dumbasses?". After they found out VW had cheated the engineers could say "That's why we couldn't manage it".


Could be taken either way. Perhaps the engineers swore it could be done ("Because VW got it done") and management let them go on their way in the attempt to get it done.

VW did manage to meet NOx emission limits during testing. It was just a matter that their original strategy of a NOx absorber that could be purged resulted in engines that put out less power than was acceptable to buyers, had fuel economy that was worse than acceptable to buyers, and there was also the issue that the NOx absorbers would not last as long as people expect a diesel car to run (hundreds of thousands of miles). VW cheated on their first generation of engines because their strategy of avoiding urea injection was a stop-gap solution until a newer engine could be developed.

Once the new engines were in place with urea injection, I can't figure out why VW continued to cheat. They seem to have only done it because they wanted a tank of urea to last the length of an oil change interval (about 7,500 miles) and for no other reason.
 
2020-05-26 10:38:47 PM  

freakdiablo: the_colonel: Best part about of the article: "The carmaker's current and former senior employees are facing criminal charges in Germany."

Good.  You shouldn't be able to just sign off on *breaking the law* and expect to be able to get away with just making some half assed apology, worst case be asked to resign with a massive golden parachute.

/Why does my phone predict I want to say "shower" after "golden"?
//I shouldn't say that.  I know why, just not going to agree to anything this really in the evening...


No one is going to fault your porn kink.
/ Well.. on second thought..
 
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