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2020-05-25 2:30:43 AM  
Latent heat of fusion? I remember that being a thing. Is it this thing?
 
2020-05-25 3:34:23 AM  
Sun so hot they froze to death
 
2020-05-25 3:40:18 AM  
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It just doesn't end, does it?
 
2020-05-25 3:42:00 AM  
Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.
 
2020-05-25 3:53:57 AM  
We've had a mild spring so far and we got more than usual rain in March. That late rain kept the hills green well into May. That doesn't happen very often. March also brought snow to the Sierra's, but I don't see streams turning into deadly raging rivers of ice water.

Is the NWS getting forecasting tips from Trump again? Because that's what it sounds like. Next they'll be telling us to rake the ice out of the streams.
 
2020-05-25 4:00:08 AM  
Damn 100F in may...
 
2020-05-25 4:08:00 AM  

dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.


They are cold.

But the real problem with most of them is just how intense the current is.  They'll knock you on your ass and send you downstream if you aren't careful.  And if you're unlucky, you'll hit your head on a rock and die.
 
2020-05-25 4:26:30 AM  

Krieghund: dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.

They are cold.

But the real problem with most of them is just how intense the current is.  They'll knock you on your ass and send you downstream if you aren't careful.  And if you're unlucky, you'll hit your head on a rock and die.


More accurate since people don't think.
 
2020-05-25 4:35:32 AM  
It's 1:30 AM here in NorCal and I am hanging out on my patio in swim trunks and t-shirt. I am liking this and will smoke another bowl. I just realized this comment has no point so let me try this :

The heat will kill the coronavirus. Discuss amongst yourselves.
 
2020-05-25 4:37:31 AM  

lolmao500: Damn 100F in may...


Yeah, but it's a dry heat.

The forecast for my house:

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I'll flood irrigate either Monday or Tuesday with 45 degree water from a big irrigation canal that runs past my house. I never would swim in the canal, though.
 
2020-05-25 4:40:29 AM  
Mountain streams are usually skin-numbing cold. Don't go jumping in, okay? I have never lived in a heat wave prone area though. Utah gets hot but not unbearably hot. But since this is 2020 I fully expect Cali to burn down, multiple Cat 5+ hurricanes ravaging the east, Yellowstone will probably blow and I'm sure a major fault line will unload also. And then the alien invasion. And the murder hornets will eat the survivors. What else? Hungry sharks and gators. Lol. If there is a supreme being playing this little simulation s/he has entered a "I need a beer and sleep" mode and has set Godzilla loose.
 
2020-05-25 4:57:41 AM  

dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.


you can get hypothermia in tropical waters. As long as the water temperature is less than you body temp, you can die from it.
 
2020-05-25 5:22:54 AM  

albuquerquehalsey: dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.

you can get hypothermia in tropical waters. As long as the water temperature is less than you body temp, you can die from it.


Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with cold water mountain streams that nobody takes a dip in. The story was that hot temperatures were going to cause snow runoff resulting in potentially high flow cold water streams dangerous to the public.  It's a sensationalist headline though, because high mountain streams in CA and northern NV are fed by snow melts well into the summer every year.  The streams are cold, every year.  Nobody is swimming in them like it is the Bahamas. You fish them, you look at them, you don't swim in them.
 
2020-05-25 5:56:46 AM  
If you're feeling unbearably hot and come across a mountain stream, just dip your hands into it, halfway to the elbow.

Within a minute, your whole body will feel nice and cool.

It's that simple.
 
2020-05-25 7:17:55 AM  

Krieghund: dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.

They are cold.

But the real problem with most of them is just how intense the current is.  They'll knock you on your ass and send you downstream if you aren't careful.  And if you're unlucky, you'll hit your head on a rock and die.


Fishing in Montana, I learned that I really prefer avoiding anything above mid calf.  No fun fishing if you're concentrating on standing.

Also, fishing waders are a death trap once you go down.
 
2020-05-25 7:19:27 AM  
Yeah, I also turn the air conditioner to -15 C when it is too hot.
 
2020-05-25 7:31:39 AM  

born_yesterday: Krieghund: dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.

They are cold.

But the real problem with most of them is just how intense the current is.  They'll knock you on your ass and send you downstream if you aren't careful.  And if you're unlucky, you'll hit your head on a rock and die.

Fishing in Montana, I learned that I really prefer avoiding anything above mid calf.  No fun fishing if you're concentrating on standing.

Also, fishing waders are a death trap once you go down.


They make belts for precisely that situation.  You have to really want to die by fishing but people do it every year.
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2020-05-25 7:43:06 AM  

pup.socket: Yeah, I also turn the air conditioner to -15 C when it is too hot.


When will you tell us about your stuck in the cave story?
:)
I mean, unless it makes you uncomfortable.

AFTA, I've swam in snow melt runoff that was, according to our guide, around 41F.
It was a hot summer day, we were teens, and there were girls watching.
We were fine.
Beyond the initial yells, shivers and goosebumps as you start to wade lower into the water and different body parts make contact, things settled in and we adjusted and actually had fun.
Protip: keep splashing the water onto your chest, shoulders and back to avoid the initial shock. Once tolerated, drop in fully*.

We kept heading downriver with the falls getting higher and higher and us going crazy and jumping into the pools as we followed the river.
Finally we reached a 4-5 storeys high fall and they all turned and looked at me.
I noped the hell out of there.
Not only was the thing high as heck, it was so high I couldn't discern what the landing area was like, did it have rocks or what.
While I was a crazy teen, I was not THAT crazy

/*keep head out of the water as much as possible
//as I've found out a few times in life, you can get a brain-freeze headache without the ice cream.
 
2020-05-25 7:45:11 AM  
Getting a kick, since I just yesterday watched a video of my 3yo granddaughter splashing around in an ice cold mountain stream. And it wasn't even warm out.
 
2020-05-25 7:55:49 AM  

Resident Muslim: and there were girls watching.


The five little words that get so many teenagers in trouble...

****

Back in my growing up in CA Scouting days, we were backpacking south of Yosemite one hot July day & came across a ... bigger than a creek/stream, smaller than a small river ... body of flowing snow melt tumbling through a bunch of car/house sized granite boulders.  Lots of little pools in depressions in the rocks, side pools out of the main water flow, etc.  It was a hot day & all those pools had been solarly heated all day & were (in comparison to the snow melt) nice & warm.  It was glorious soaking in the natural 'hot' tubs then jumping into the cold water, back to the pools, etc.

But yeah, snow melt will take your breath away pretty quickly if you just jump in.
 
2020-05-25 8:08:45 AM  
The mighty Kern River, the river that runs through Bakersfield, has killed 294 persons from 1968 to 2018.  Probably not all of them from hypothermia.
 
2020-05-25 8:18:51 AM  

dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.


Nobody taking a dip in the San Gabriel Mountains:
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2020-05-25 8:19:04 AM  

Sgygus: The mighty Kern River, the river that runs through Bakersfield, has killed 294 persons from 1968 to 2018.  Probably not all of them from hypothermia.


If you'd like to know a whole lot more about the Kern river and the other floods and droughts of the Tulare Lake Basin: Enjoy this PDF link
 
2020-05-25 8:25:28 AM  
Annual problem in Oregon.
 
2020-05-25 8:46:17 AM  
Per the reports, gonna ramp up to around 107 degrees Thr-Fri here in Vegas.

'Least the waterfall out at red Rock'll be pretty. But I have literally never heard of anyone getting hypothermai from swimming in the runoff here. It would have to be near-freezing by the time it gets to where people can reach it to swim in it.
 
2020-05-25 9:32:40 AM  

cretinbob: Latent heat of fusion? I remember that being a thing. Is it this thing?


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2020-05-25 9:57:42 AM  
The National Weather Service puts out warnings for northern New England on warm spring days to say the water is still cold.
 
2020-05-25 10:10:44 AM  

powhound: Mountain streams are usually skin-numbing cold. Don't go jumping in, okay? I have never lived in a heat wave prone area though. Utah gets hot but not unbearably hot. But since this is 2020 I fully expect Cali to burn down, multiple Cat 5+ hurricanes ravaging the east, Yellowstone will probably blow and I'm sure a major fault line will unload also. And then the alien invasion. And the murder hornets will eat the survivors. What else? Hungry sharks and gators. Lol. If there is a supreme being playing this little simulation s/he has entered a "I need a beer and sleep" mode and has set Godzilla loose.


So like, the apocalypse?

Who is the Antichrist?

I bet it was Obama and his time machine.
 
2020-05-25 10:14:06 AM  

dark brew: albuquerquehalsey: dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.

you can get hypothermia in tropical waters. As long as the water temperature is less than you body temp, you can die from it.

Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with cold water mountain streams that nobody takes a dip in. The story was that hot temperatures were going to cause snow runoff resulting in potentially high flow cold water streams dangerous to the public.  It's a sensationalist headline though, because high mountain streams in CA and northern NV are fed by snow melts well into the summer every year.  The streams are cold, every year.  Nobody is swimming in them like it is the Bahamas. You fish them, you look at them, you don't swim in them.


I swim in them.
Was at the confluence of the American River North and Middle fork yesterday.

Yes it was cold, but it is always cold

Always check the flow volumes before going swimming.  Won't swim in the Yuba south fork until the flows are down to 300 cfs.  That river is stupid dangerous if the flows are high.
 
2020-05-25 10:21:55 AM  

dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.


I survived swimming in lake superior

/got nothin
 
2020-05-25 12:42:53 PM  

dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.


People who are used to the temperature.  My favorite TGIF story:  Mt. Kilimanjaro, maybe an hour out of the start point, probably something like 5,500' to 6,000' elevation but it's only a few degrees from the equator so it's warm anyway.  The terrain is subtropical near-jungle, we come across a stream that is big enough to take a swim and actually safe to swim in.  (You stay out of any stagnant or slow-moving water, I forget what the threat is by now.)  We are discussing it, two of the girls simply strip down to bra and panties and take a running jump into the water.  Big mistake!  We are climbing a glacier-capped mountain (note: while this is the highest mountain in Africa it's just a hike, no mountaineering skills needed, no mountaineering gear beyond cold weather stuff), where do you think that water came from???  No towels, bra and panties are soaked, they were **not** happy and were regretting both the choice to jump in and to not strip all the way (within our group that wouldn't have been an issue, but we were near the main trail and others could have passed by.  None did, though.)
 
2020-05-25 12:46:59 PM  
People manage to get themselves killed in snow/glacier fed rivers all the time, seems especially in the Western US. I remember seeing warnings posted on campus every spring in Ellensburg, WA that the nearby Yakima river was still very cold and fast and just because it was the first 80 degree day it wasn't a good idea to go tubing. People did it anyway of course.
 
2020-05-25 1:07:22 PM  
The water should be fine once the snow's gone in July afternoons or so when the remaining flow is solely from groundwater.
 
2020-05-25 1:57:19 PM  
Somebody turned up the A/C too high?

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2020-05-25 2:53:52 PM  

dark brew: albuquerquehalsey: dark brew: Mountain streams are usually cold in those parts.  Nobody really takes a dip in them.

you can get hypothermia in tropical waters. As long as the water temperature is less than you body temp, you can die from it.

Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with cold water mountain streams that nobody takes a dip in. The story was that hot temperatures were going to cause snow runoff resulting in potentially high flow cold water streams dangerous to the public.  It's a sensationalist headline though, because high mountain streams in CA and northern NV are fed by snow melts well into the summer every year.  The streams are cold, every year.  Nobody is swimming in them like it is the Bahamas. You fish them, you look at them, you don't swim in them.


And people die in them every year, although the cause is more often cold-water shock than true hypothermia.  This year, the combination of rapid snowmelt over a holiday weekend when reopening is on everyone's mind means even more people will be unaware of even greater danger.
 
2020-05-25 7:22:09 PM  
And watch out for Korean Fan Death
 
2020-05-25 10:52:17 PM  

SwiftFox: And watch out for Korean Fan Death


The fake news site you link to says it is a hoax, but I know someone whose sister's husband's cousin's parents' friends died like that.
 
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