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(Vox)   Good news, everyone: American conservatives have finally found a contemporary European culture they approve of   (vox.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


If there's nothing in there, how can American conservatives' heads explode?

/ now imploding, that's another matter
// or lack of matter
/// I thought Nature abhorred a vacuum
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


They aren't anti government they are anti government interfering with them. They don't have any problem with laws that arrest people for using drugs or laws that target minority groups. Look at guns, republicans and the NRA claim to want gun rights for everybody and for the government to not interfere with who can buy guns or use guns. But it was also Reagan and the NRA that banned open carry in California because a bunch of Black Panthers showed up with guns.

/ Basically laws for thee, but not for me
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


American conservatives hate things like the civil rights amendment and the voting rights act.  They want government to oppress minorities and other assorted groups they look down on.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
Hungary?
 
6 days ago  
Not like this is anything new for American conservatives.

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6 days ago  
This has been the endgame for a while. I've been trying to to beat this into people's heads but they just roll their eyes.
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


Because they are not generally anti-government. They are solely and specifically opposed to governments not run by them.
 
6 days ago  
The Republican party should be outlawed
 
6 days ago  
Clearly, the best way to prove you're not a dictator is to arrest and charge anyone who calls you a dictator.
 
6 days ago  
Why do they hate Freedom so much?
 
6 days ago  

Anenu: HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?

They aren't anti government they are anti government interfering with them. They don't have any problem with laws that arrest people for using drugs or laws that target minority groups. Look at guns, republicans and the NRA claim to want gun rights for everybody and for the government to not interfere with who can buy guns or use guns. But it was also Reagan and the NRA that banned open carry in California because a bunch of Black Panthers showed up with guns.

/ Basically laws for thee, but not for me


The NRA is all for cops shooting black kids on sight because "he had a gun!", but freak the fark out if any cop or Fed tries to tell them not to wave guns around at their local Subway.
 
6 days ago  
 
6 days ago  
Speaking of conservatives
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6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


An American conservative does not think.

They believe the laws say "I get to do what I want, but you have to do what I say!".  Comes from their fairy tale religious beliefs:  "I'm saved because reasons but you are damned".

Logical thinking, consistency, rationality... these things are of no concern to them.  It makes their head hurt so they don't participate.
 
6 days ago  
I love how US conservative supporters  call Orban's authoritarian and anti-democracy measures "some mistakes" as if they're akin to adding too much salt in a recipe or something equally inconsequential.
 
6 days ago  
What do you mean finally? They've been worshiping this pocket-fascist for years. Because they're the farking worst people and hate freedom.
 
6 days ago  
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"Don't make me mad!  You wouldn't like me when I'm mad!"
 
6 days ago  
If the Republicans ever achieve their goal of absolute power, one of their last steps will be to take away private gun ownership. If that happens I will enjoy seeing the wide, tear-filled eyes and mouths hanging open of all of the people wondering how it happened.
 
6 days ago  
The EU has a real crisis on their hands with Hungary and Orban. I don't see how they can remain in the EU as a dictatorship. And I don't see how the EU can pressure Hungary to remove him without Orban simply removing his country from the EU anyway. No-win scenario.
 
6 days ago  
This is why I always say Republicans should be systemically purged.

They will take us in that direction left to their own devices.  It is not intolerant to remove an avowed enemy.
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


Because sensible government tends to tell them that no, they can't do whatever they want, and like spoiled children, they can't handle being told 'no'.
 
6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?

American conservatives hate things like the civil rights amendment and the voting rights act.  They want government to oppress minorities and other assorted groups they look down on.


FTA:  Christopher Caldwell, a journalist widely respected on the right, wrote a lengthy feature praising the strongman as a leader "blessed with almost every political gift."

Not surprising:  Christopher Caldwell's big idea: The civil rights revolution was a mistake

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi​c​s/2020/2/19/21116713/civil-rights-chri​stopher-caldwell-age-of-entitlement?IC​ID=ref_fark

/Using state laws to micromanage society was fine; using federal laws to overturn the state micromanagement was a travesty! /sarc
 
6 days ago  
Stop calling them "conservatives"

They are nationalists. I'd prefer the term fascists, which is accurate enough, but like it's ideological opposite, "communist" it has become more of a hyperbolic label thrown out without thought, even if it is technically true in this case.

Nationalists. Faux Patriots. Anti-Constitutionalists. Confederate revisionists.

"Conservatives" makes them sound like a quaint group of people who operate within the boundaries of law, instead of a group of ideologues working to exploit and even overtly circumvent all of the laws and principles set forth by our founding fathers.
 
6 days ago  
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"WINNING!"
 
6 days ago  

Unscratchable_Itch: If the Republicans ever achieve their goal of absolute power, one of their last steps will be to take away private gun ownership. If that happens I will enjoy seeing the wide, tear-filled eyes and mouths hanging open of all of the people wondering how it happened.


Nah, they'll just make loyalty to the Party a requirement for owning a gun, and Republicans will be fine with it.
 
6 days ago  

Sin'sHero: Hungary?


I had a feeling it was before I even hovered over the link.
It is a fascists wet dream.

To think they went from this

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Gives me a wee bit of hope.
 
6 days ago  
I guess the 1940's are could be considered contemporary on a geological timescale.
 
6 days ago  

Anenu: HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?

They aren't anti government they are anti government interfering with them. They don't have any problem with laws that arrest people for using drugs or laws that target minority groups. Look at guns, republicans and the NRA claim to want gun rights for everybody and for the government to not interfere with who can buy guns or use guns. But it was also Reagan and the NRA that banned open carry in California because a bunch of Black Panthers showed up with guns.

/ Basically laws for thee, but not for me


Its why they've been so been pissy about the "mask and lockdown protocols", because laws are only supposed to impose an obstacle to OTHER people's lives, while they should be free to do what they want. Its why the pricks on video seem so indignant that "your store policy isn't the law, therefore it shouldn't apply to me".

Kind of makes you wonder if the message boards where the Sov-cit idiots hang out have seen an uptick in membership requests since the pandemic began.
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


Air can be compressed.
 
6 days ago  
It's a good trick by Vox linking to conservatives praising certain aspects of things Orbán was doing and then saying conservatives love the guy.

But they cite two things currently happening: Orbán passing a law saying he can "rule by decree" and another law against "spreading a falsehood"

Actions speak louder than Vox articles and it isn't the American trying to take actions like those.  The left has used this virus to try and issue decrees and silence anything being published or said since this whole thing started.  Haven't seen any of that from conservatives
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


Because the only governments they are actually against are ones that give human rights to non-christians, women and brown people. They have no problem with any amount of government, up to and including authoritarian dictatorships, as long as the government is promoting policies they agree with. And the government's boot is on the necks of the people they don't like.

See all the secondment maximalists who seem to only have a problem with what they perceive as overreach by Democrats.
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


If there's one thing I've learned from politics in the last twenty years, its that your average Republican has no actual principles aside from trying to enforce a society built around their particular prejudices.

They'll agree with and parrot whatever talking points are put in front of them, regardless of whether its some esoteric economic debate about free markets or far-flung foreign policy issue about bringin' freedom, if they are properly convinced that it will help keep black people, transsexuals, Mexicans, etc. powerless and poor and away in their own communities.

The "properly convinced" part of this then opens it up to a lot of exploitation by the oligarchs who actually control the party to brainwash the mob to be in favor of tax cuts and deregulation that only help them, but that's an entirely separate point.
 
6 days ago  

LordJiro: Unscratchable_Itch: If the Republicans ever achieve their goal of absolute power, one of their last steps will be to take away private gun ownership. If that happens I will enjoy seeing the wide, tear-filled eyes and mouths hanging open of all of the people wondering how it happened.

Nah, they'll just make loyalty to the Party a requirement for owning a gun, and Republicans will be fine with it.


No. The original post was correct. As their endgame looms ever closer, The Boys will find it expedient that someone, a someone with A Boldface Name, will die in gunfire. The circumstances will be confusing and confused - yes, the highly disciplined and skilled kill-team will vanish into the mists of history, leaving only a muddled, not too bright "leftist" holding the rifle - and the aftermath ugly. As soon as the state funeral is over, the confiscations will commence.

It will be fast.
 
6 days ago  
Let me guess: Hungary?

*checks article*

Damn. It's Hungary.
 
6 days ago  

Space Banana Physicist: LordJiro: Unscratchable_Itch: If the Republicans ever achieve their goal of absolute power, one of their last steps will be to take away private gun ownership. If that happens I will enjoy seeing the wide, tear-filled eyes and mouths hanging open of all of the people wondering how it happened.

Nah, they'll just make loyalty to the Party a requirement for owning a gun, and Republicans will be fine with it.

No. The original post was correct. As their endgame looms ever closer, The Boys will find it expedient that someone, a someone with A Boldface Name, will die in gunfire. The circumstances will be confusing and confused - yes, the highly disciplined and skilled kill-team will vanish into the mists of history, leaving only a muddled, not too bright "leftist" holding the rifle - and the aftermath ugly. As soon as the state funeral is over, the confiscations will commence.

It will be fast.


If I was important, I'd start avoiding grassy knolls.
 
6 days ago  

Anenu: HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?

They aren't anti government they are anti government interfering with them. They don't have any problem with laws that arrest people for using drugs or laws that target minority groups. Look at guns, republicans and the NRA claim to want gun rights for everybody and for the government to not interfere with who can buy guns or use guns. But it was also Reagan and the NRA that banned open carry in California because a bunch of Black Panthers showed up with guns.

/ Basically laws for thee, but not for me


Right Wing Authoritarians think that everyone has a place and they're there for a reason (white people rule because white people are better than the other races, poor people are poor because they're indolent or immoral, etc), and vigorously defend the status quo.

They become angry at people who try to change the status quo and are willing to use the power of the state and other forms of violence to punish them for being uppity.

Women, minorities, gays, etc etc should all know their place (under the heel of the white man), shut up, be silent or invisible, and mind their own business.

This applies to people who are at the bottom of the pecking order. They might be low on the pecking order, but they're still better than the others. So they will also violently defend their position within the hierarchy. Same also applies to right wing authoritarian women. They also get mad at people who don't know their place.

So that's why RWAs hate civil rights, equality before law, public education, and liberal democracy - because these things empower all people and allow them to become socially mobile.
 
6 days ago  
To conservatives, society can be divided into two groups: an in group that the law protects but does not bind, and an out group that the law binds but does not protect.
 
6 days ago  

Sin'sHero: Hungary?


Dark in the city, night is a wire
Steam in the subway, earth is afire
Do do do do do do do dodo dododo dodo
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: The left has used this virus to try and issue decrees and silence anything being published or said since this whole thing started. Haven't seen any of that from conservatives


Well there it is, the stupidest farking thing you've said in at least 10 minutes.

we're about to hit 2 vietnam's worth of covid deaths thanks to you plague rats.
 
6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


American conservatives have always been authoritarian, and for the most part been more than willing to agree with the tenets of fascism.  Christ, there were Americans who thought that FDR was delusional and that the US should be fighting on the side of the Axis.

And they're not really anti-government.  They're anti government of the people.  They don't have any issue if they're the ones running the show and telling people what they can and can't believe, think, or read/write/watch.
 
6 days ago  

Astorix: Speaking of conservatives
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Most of those assholes have about as much self-awareness as a dog licking it's own asshole.
 
6 days ago  
Interesting timing on this by Vox also. As Orbán ramps up the authoritarianism with the decree policy and the suppression of speech he considers "false" it was only a matter of time before people started making comparisons to the same actions of the left here.

Instead of Vox doing that they decided to dig up every example they could of a conservative praising Orbán in the past instead of reporting what's actually happening today.

Almost like jumping ahead with a narrative is more important than reporting news.

Or actually defending what liberal ideology should be  and calling out Dems who go against it
 
6 days ago  
They were hungry for a right wing dictator so they settled on Hungary.  What would the Gabor sisters think?
 
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6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


fascism is, by it's nature, amorphous and self-contradictory. The only consistent part of the ideology is to take/retain power and to own the libs.
 
6 days ago  

GrizzlyPouch: Interesting timing on this by Vox also. As Orbán ramps up the authoritarianism with the decree policy and the suppression of speech he considers "false" it was only a matter of time before people started making comparisons to the same actions of the left here.

Instead of Vox doing that they decided to dig up every example they could of a conservative praising Orbán in the past instead of reporting what's actually happening today.

Almost like jumping ahead with a narrative is more important than reporting news.

Or actually defending what liberal ideology should be  and calling out Dems who go against it


So that's not Trump calling it fake news and yelling at reporters for asking basic questions?
 
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6 days ago  

HugeMistake: I don't understand how American conservatives manage to simultaneously be anti-government but pro-authoritarian. Why don't their heads explode?


Because there's a vacuum between their ears, so realistically their heads should implode.
 
6 days ago  

floor: GrizzlyPouch: Interesting timing on this by Vox also. As Orbán ramps up the authoritarianism with the decree policy and the suppression of speech he considers "false" it was only a matter of time before people started making comparisons to the same actions of the left here.

Instead of Vox doing that they decided to dig up every example they could of a conservative praising Orbán in the past instead of reporting what's actually happening today.

Almost like jumping ahead with a narrative is more important than reporting news.

Or actually defending what liberal ideology should be  and calling out Dems who go against it

So that's not Trump calling it fake news and yelling at reporters for asking basic questions?


Don't forget "enemy of the people"
 
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