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(Business Insider)   Carnegie Mellon scientists discover than nearly half the Twitter accounts promoting the "Re-open America" message are bots. In other words we've reached the "Kill all humans" phase of the Great Robot Revolution   (businessinsider.com) divider line
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2020-05-23 12:15:18 PM  
I'm sure they all have either or both Russia or China behind them.
 
2020-05-23 12:18:21 PM  

growinthings: I'm sure they all have either or both Russia or China behind them.


We have plenty of plenty of domestic ratfarkers here, like Devos and Musk, who expect everyone else to put themselves at risk for their own profit.
 
2020-05-23 12:29:18 PM  
Well, stupid people are gullible, and have trouble changing their minds. And gullible people are stupid. So, they would tend to believe something just because they see it a lot.
 
2020-05-23 12:29:20 PM  
The stupid is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!

Your toaster is trying to kill you.
 
7 days ago  
It's unclear who's behind the surge in bot activity or whether they're originating from the US or abroad.

I'm sure Twitter could tell us.  But they won't.
 
7 days ago  
I do have a related question. The people I know who are still true beleevers in Trump (as opposed to the ones who hate him but support him because he'll cut taxes and gut the infrastructure, and they like that) have a long history of getting conned, and they don't see the pattern. They've more than once sent money to hot young women who'll meet them at the airport but don't, they've more than once lost money in MLM or timeshares, they've invested in multiple "get rick quick" schemes that never succeed, and/or they've spent a lot of money on diet pills or herbal viagra or other ineffective (and expensive) remedies.

Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?
 
7 days ago  

Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


I think that's giving a lot of them too much benefit of the doubt. Some like him because he hates the same people they do and they hope he'll do them harm.
 
7 days ago  
And meanwhile Facebook is auto-generating pages for white supremacists.
Social media is the virus.

https://www.techtransparencyproject.o​r​g/articles/white-supremacist-groups-ar​e-thriving-on-facebook
 
7 days ago  

Clarence Brown: I do have a related question. The people I know who are still true beleevers in Trump (as opposed to the ones who hate him but support him because he'll cut taxes and gut the infrastructure, and they like that) have a long history of getting conned, and they don't see the pattern. They've more than once sent money to hot young women who'll meet them at the airport but don't, they've more than once lost money in MLM or timeshares, they've invested in multiple "get rick quick" schemes that never succeed, and/or they've spent a lot of money on diet pills or herbal viagra or other ineffective (and expensive) remedies.

Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


The 'Dunning-Krueger Effect' is farkING MAGICAL like, innit?
 
7 days ago  
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6 days ago  
You can tell pretty easily which ones are definitely bots. Saw a "conservative grandma, #MAGA, #2A, #ProLife, #TRUMP2020" on there whose account was created two months ago and had over 25 THOUSAND tweets, or an average of about one tweet every 4 minutes without ever stopping.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

scottydoesntknow: You can tell pretty easily which ones are definitely bots. Saw a "conservative grandma, #MAGA, #2A, #ProLife, #TRUMP2020" on there whose account was created two months ago and had over 25 THOUSAND tweets, or an average of about one tweet every 4 minutes without ever stopping.


Sure, YOU can tell because you use your brain. Most people do not.
 
6 days ago  
CAN'T STOP THE SIGNAL!

/At least not the bought and paid for ones...
//And that is exactly what this push is: bought and paid for
///Because if you can fake grass-roots support and sincerity, you're free and clear, right?
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


The self-righteous never look at their own behavior. That's why "Conservative humor" is about laughing at other people and their ex-wives.
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


they also celebrate how trump cons other people into doing what they want, but fool themselves into thinking that they are the exception and trump really likes them
 
6 days ago  

Mantour: Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?

The self-righteous never look at their own behavior. That's why "Conservative humor" is about laughing at other people and their ex-wives.


My ex-wife is even funnier than your ex-wife.
 
6 days ago  

Conservative Humor: Mantour: Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?

The self-righteous never look at their own behavior. That's why "Conservative humor" is about laughing at other people and their ex-wives.

My ex-wife is even funnier than your ex-wife.


Now, THAT was funny. Username is deceiving.
 
6 days ago  
Yeah, but it takes a real person to make a bot, so, somewhere back far enough is a real opinion.
 
6 days ago  
Twitter has non-bots? Huh, learn something new every day...
 
6 days ago  
No matter your opinion or belief, there are numerous bots that parrot exactly what you want to hear.

Pointing out and obsessively focusing on only one set of bots while totally ignoring all other bots just helps the bots be even more successful at their job.
 
6 days ago  

aimtastic: Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?

I think that's giving a lot of them too much benefit of the doubt. Some like him because he hates the same people they do and they hope he'll do them harm.


Yeah, but the ones I know who are like that are also ones with a long history of getting scammed. With some of the scams, I don't think they ever realize it's a scam (e.g., prosperity gospel), but there are always a couple that they eventually figured out were scams (who sends money to a gorgeous 20-year old you met on the internet who will definitely be at the airport twice?) They seem to think it's normal to get scammed that much.

I'm just wondering if the particular set of Trump supporters I know, or if this is a consistent characteristic.
 
6 days ago  
So, if a lot of this is foreign-state sanctioned, and Americans are dying as a result, then why isn't this an act of war?

Oh, wait, that would also mean Republicans are just as culpable and should be punished. My bad. Can't have that.
 
6 days ago  

growinthings: I'm sure they all have either or both Russia or China behind them.


Don't forget Turkey
 
6 days ago  

Kellner21: No matter your opinion or belief, there are numerous bots that parrot exactly what you want to hear.

Pointing out and obsessively focusing on only one set of bots while totally ignoring all other bots just helps the bots be even more successful at their job.


Both Sides are Bots
 
6 days ago  

scottydoesntknow: You can tell pretty easily which ones are definitely bots. Saw a "conservative grandma, #MAGA, #2A, #ProLife, #TRUMP2020" on there whose account was created two months ago and had over 25 THOUSAND tweets, or an average of about one tweet every 4 minutes without ever stopping.


You expect me to use maths when Billy Gates is trying to inject nanobots into my red blooded American blood! Git outta here!!!
 
6 days ago  

Whatthefark: scottydoesntknow: You can tell pretty easily which ones are definitely bots. Saw a "conservative grandma, #MAGA, #2A, #ProLife, #TRUMP2020" on there whose account was created two months ago and had over 25 THOUSAND tweets, or an average of about one tweet every 4 minutes without ever stopping.

You expect me to use maths when Billy Gates is trying to inject nanobots into my red blooded American blood! Git outta here!!!


In all fairness, it won't be red once the nanobots get through with it.
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: I do have a related question. The people I know who are still true beleevers in Trump (as opposed to the ones who hate him but support him because he'll cut taxes and gut the infrastructure, and they like that) have a long history of getting conned, and they don't see the pattern. They've more than once sent money to hot young women who'll meet them at the airport but don't, they've more than once lost money in MLM or timeshares, they've invested in multiple "get rick quick" schemes that never succeed, and/or they've spent a lot of money on diet pills or herbal viagra or other ineffective (and expensive) remedies.

Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


You forgot they also think they can spot the winner in the 3 card monte game.
 
6 days ago  

ox45tallboy: Whatthefark: scottydoesntknow: You can tell pretty easily which ones are definitely bots. Saw a "conservative grandma, #MAGA, #2A, #ProLife, #TRUMP2020" on there whose account was created two months ago and had over 25 THOUSAND tweets, or an average of about one tweet every 4 minutes without ever stopping.

You expect me to use maths when Billy Gates is trying to inject nanobots into my red blooded American blood! Git outta here!!!

In all fairness, it won't be red once the nanobots get through with it.


That's because our blood will contain added processing power as the white corpuscles and plasma will be replaced by nanotech processors, using the circulatory system and the body's own electrical fields to enhance cognitive function. The long bones and several redundant organs will likewise be replaced by these processing centers. What had been your liver will contain every book ever stored in the Library of Congress, and instantly available for cross-referencing.  Jeopardy will only be remembered as a comedy for "How much did our forbears suck at life."

Sadly, every baby will instantly know, upon decantation, how badly America in 2016 screwed the pooch, and for several generations, and the stigma of being born before The Singularity will carry great shame.
 
6 days ago  
And all of the above is why I don't do Twitter.
 
6 days ago  
Fscken toasters.
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6 days ago  
I am always amazed at how, since 2014, world government has been completely overwhelmed by the sort of internet that was the topic of bullshiat beer conversations I had with Economics and Comp Sci majors while I was at uni in a mediocre middle-tier university. (With a top-tier Business program, which might explain how our bullshiat beer conversations took over the world 10 years after graduation).

Like, this bot control of political discourse and all of the last 5 years of insider stock trading, and the way Trump took the White House during his election, are all things we laughed about. And here we are.

One of my favourite conversations was convincing the Econ majors that WalMart was unique in that it was acting as if it could practically satisfy an infinite demand curve. It was fun watching them go from laughing at the stupid Humanities major who didn't understand demand to "Holy fark." The best part was pointing out that since WalMart was actually doing it, all the supply chains would be utterly batshiat and disconnected from reality by now. (We never talked about Amazon, though, which seems like the Mothra to WalMart's Godzilla).

Anyhow, the fiction of infinite demand curves and controlling an electorate with lying automated computer programs that target only certain fraction of the population with each message, cannot create real wealth for the owners and techies, if people are staying home instead of making money to pay for the internet and computer equipment (phones, etc) to participate.

So we are farked.

Also, I want to cockpunch every journalist who says, "Nobody knew that..."

Only the people who should have failed out of undergrad but passed because profs were told to pass more students, only those idiots, "Didn't know that..."
 
6 days ago  

Kellner21: No matter your opinion or belief, there are numerous bots that parrot exactly what you want to hear.

Pointing out and obsessively focusing on only one set of bots while totally ignoring all other bots just helps the bots be even more successful at their job.


So bots that promote good and bots that promote the stupid and dangerous are the same?
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


"It was like that every time I ever got caught buying weed... because... if it really is a Thai stick then it's great, right?... because it's never Thai stick...
 
6 days ago  
Wait, are you trying to tell me that "Reopen America" isn't a totally organic movement?  But how can this be?!  I.  Am.  Shocked!
 
6 days ago  

Kellner21: No matter your opinion or belief, there are numerous bots that parrot exactly what you want to hear.

Pointing out and obsessively focusing on only one set of bots while totally ignoring all other bots just helps the bots be even more successful at their job.


I have you Farkied as "Thinks active shooter drills aren't traumatic," but this ridiculous BSAB is tempting me to update or replace it.  Congrats!
 
6 days ago  

mofa: Fscken toasters.
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In Zapp Brannigan's voice " a sexy, sexy toaster " .
 
6 days ago  

Clarence Brown: I do have a related question. The people I know who are still true beleevers in Trump (as opposed to the ones who hate him but support him because he'll cut taxes and gut the infrastructure, and they like that) have a long history of getting conned, and they don't see the pattern. They've more than once sent money to hot young women who'll meet them at the airport but don't, they've more than once lost money in MLM or timeshares, they've invested in multiple "get rick quick" schemes that never succeed, and/or they've spent a lot of money on diet pills or herbal viagra or other ineffective (and expensive) remedies.

Is that others' experience of Trump true beleevers? That they're not only suckers, but so completely suckers that they don't notice the pattern of getting suckered and think they're astute judges of character who just happen to have had some bad luck?


As a tangential way of answering, my Mormon relatives believed everything that my con-artist stepfather told them, no matter how insanely nonsensical. A few years ago his company got in trouble for pump&dump stock fraud, so maybe that has changed.

But they would believe fervently any crazy lie he told them, like that I had joined a satanic cult and was possessed by evil spirits, which was why I had no memory of any involvement in a cult (besides Mormonism). They believe any insane lie they hear AND are passionately Mormon. Telling them the truth, like that my stepfather was a con artist, simply had the wrong flavor for them but they would gulp down any lie slathered with enough bullpoopy.

I'm often reminded of them whenever I hear Common Sense folks say, "The Experts are all lying! Some Guy on YouTube told me so!"
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
Hillary Clinton tweets about this study

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/st​a​tus/1264225262885056513

and she largely gets hater responses with very few addressing the bot issue.

Maybe CMU could break down their analysis ad give for some prominent tweeters their percent bot replies.I'm guessing Hillary might be a leader in this metric.
 
6 days ago  

Bennie Crabtree: I am always amazed at how, since 2014, world government has been completely overwhelmed by the sort of internet that was the topic of bullshiat beer conversations I had with Economics and Comp Sci majors while I was at uni in a mediocre middle-tier university. (With a top-tier Business program, which might explain how our bullshiat beer conversations took over the world 10 years after graduation).

Like, this bot control of political discourse and all of the last 5 years of insider stock trading, and the way Trump took the White House during his election, are all things we laughed about. And here we are.

One of my favourite conversations was convincing the Econ majors that WalMart was unique in that it was acting as if it could practically satisfy an infinite demand curve. It was fun watching them go from laughing at the stupid Humanities major who didn't understand demand to "Holy fark." The best part was pointing out that since WalMart was actually doing it, all the supply chains would be utterly batshiat and disconnected from reality by now. (We never talked about Amazon, though, which seems like the Mothra to WalMart's Godzilla).

Anyhow, the fiction of infinite demand curves and controlling an electorate with lying automated computer programs that target only certain fraction of the population with each message, cannot create real wealth for the owners and techies, if people are staying home instead of making money to pay for the internet and computer equipment (phones, etc) to participate.

So we are farked.

Also, I want to cockpunch every journalist who says, "Nobody knew that..."

Only the people who should have failed out of undergrad but passed because profs were told to pass more students, only those idiots, "Didn't know that..."


Any you didn't bother telling us why?
 
6 days ago  
Facebook thought my Dad was a bot and banned him or something. He wasn't really clear about what, exactly. He was biatching about it and I said "well, if they couldn't tell you from a bot, what are you doing wrong?"

His reply:

"Not a damn thing."

/Gonna go contemplate the idea that my Dad is a bot. My entire life is built around a lie.
 
6 days ago  
Also, holy hell, there is a lot of comorbidity in the photo for that article.
 
6 days ago  
I'll ask.

Why doesn't Twitter do something about this?
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

enry: It's unclear who's behind the surge in bot activity or whether they're originating from the US or abroad.

I'm sure Twitter could tell us.  But they won't.


An army of malware-infected computers can be spewing out the tweets from all over the place.

"In computing, a zombie is a computer connected to the Internet that has been compromised by a hacker, computer virus or trojan horse program and can be used to perform malicious tasks of one sort or another under remote direction. Botnets of zombie computers are often used to spread e-mail spam and launch denial-of-service attacks (DoS attacks). Most owners of "zombie" computers are unaware that their system is being used in this way. "
 
6 days ago  
EvErYoNe I dOn'T lIkE iS a RuSsIaN rObOt!
 
6 days ago  

foo monkey: I'll ask.

Why doesn't Twitter do something about this?


They say they are. SmarterEveryDay on Youtube did a semi-not-a-shill thing about it awhile back.

Either the problem (bots) is too big for them to deal with, or the value of their company is tied to the traffic created by bots. I believe both are somewhat true.

Officially, their line boils down to  "some bots are good, and the bad bots are abusing the system. Why are they mean to us?"
 
6 days ago  

scottydoesntknow: You can tell pretty easily which ones are definitely bots. Saw a "conservative grandma, #MAGA, #2A, #ProLife, #TRUMP2020" on there whose account was created two months ago and had over 25 THOUSAND tweets, or an average of about one tweet every 4 minutes without ever stopping.


Oh, so you follow @MIPatriot5633327 too?
 
6 days ago  
I mean, it's just twitter. The opinions there aren't being used directly to shape public policy.

Hey, do we have the metadata for the FCC net neutrality comments yet?
 
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